Iraq - is there ANY hope?!?
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The first G&T was great, the second was better and I am just about to swallow a third! What a great time for celebration.
However, the first drop of the third will be a toast to guys in Iraq who have been maligned big time by that stupid bloody man Morgan. What an unscrupulous B@astard to put our guys in harms way.
Cheers fellas.
However, the first drop of the third will be a toast to guys in Iraq who have been maligned big time by that stupid bloody man Morgan. What an unscrupulous B@astard to put our guys in harms way.
Cheers fellas.
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Now that the distraction of Mr Morgan and the photos is over maybe we can get back to the real issue of the breaching of the Geneva Convention by the US and the UK.
I bet Tony Blair is kicking himself tonight. He would have been wishing for this to drag on much longer to take the heat off him during the coming local and Euro elections.
Hard luck Tone.
Cheers
BHR
I bet Tony Blair is kicking himself tonight. He would have been wishing for this to drag on much longer to take the heat off him during the coming local and Euro elections.
Hard luck Tone.
Cheers
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Tabloid shame
Ladies and Gentlemen, a couple of points:
Before we all go WHOOPPEE! re the sacking of Mr Morgan, let us consider why he stuck out for so long saying the pics were genuine...
1. That abuse of prisoners is happening appears (sadly) no longer to be a matter of contention. This is absolutely not intended to be a slur on QLR or any other British unit, but, given that courts martial/civil prosecutions/whatever are pending against several individuals in the US it is implied - at the very least - that there is a case to answer for the Coalition as a whole. We are only part of it because you-know-who chose for us to be. In for a penny, in for a dollar, as they say.
2. Research - and more importantly, experience - has shown that almost anyone can (and will, 'willingly' or otherwise) commit human rights abuses if the conditions are right (cf. Srebenice).
3. The fact that these particular photographs have turned out to be fakes proves nothing but that the individuals who staged them are (a) sick and (b) unfit to wear HM Betty's uniform. Under no circumstances does it prove (particularly to the sceptical audiences of such comms channels as al-Jazeera) that abuse of prisoners by Coalition (possibly including Brits) is altogether a myth.
4. If you've had you're head beaten in and/or your teeth knocked out by an 'infidel' you don't much care whether he's British, American or whatever . We're all tarred with the same brush, Tony. Thanks (not).
5. There will be more Lee Clegg-style show trials.
Where will it end? A man that I have never had a great deal of regard for has gone out on a limb and lost (I never bought his paper anyway). Nonetheless, from where I'm standing it doesn't seem to be a victory at all - if he was wrong, he was always wrong, and if he wasn't, in a year or two he may very well be vindicated. No fun there then.
How would I/you feel if he were to get elected as the MP for East Neasden in the 2005 General Election on the White Suit ticket?
Don't crow from the rooftops just yet, please.
Gadget
Before we all go WHOOPPEE! re the sacking of Mr Morgan, let us consider why he stuck out for so long saying the pics were genuine...
1. That abuse of prisoners is happening appears (sadly) no longer to be a matter of contention. This is absolutely not intended to be a slur on QLR or any other British unit, but, given that courts martial/civil prosecutions/whatever are pending against several individuals in the US it is implied - at the very least - that there is a case to answer for the Coalition as a whole. We are only part of it because you-know-who chose for us to be. In for a penny, in for a dollar, as they say.
2. Research - and more importantly, experience - has shown that almost anyone can (and will, 'willingly' or otherwise) commit human rights abuses if the conditions are right (cf. Srebenice).
3. The fact that these particular photographs have turned out to be fakes proves nothing but that the individuals who staged them are (a) sick and (b) unfit to wear HM Betty's uniform. Under no circumstances does it prove (particularly to the sceptical audiences of such comms channels as al-Jazeera) that abuse of prisoners by Coalition (possibly including Brits) is altogether a myth.
4. If you've had you're head beaten in and/or your teeth knocked out by an 'infidel' you don't much care whether he's British, American or whatever . We're all tarred with the same brush, Tony. Thanks (not).
5. There will be more Lee Clegg-style show trials.
Where will it end? A man that I have never had a great deal of regard for has gone out on a limb and lost (I never bought his paper anyway). Nonetheless, from where I'm standing it doesn't seem to be a victory at all - if he was wrong, he was always wrong, and if he wasn't, in a year or two he may very well be vindicated. No fun there then.
How would I/you feel if he were to get elected as the MP for East Neasden in the 2005 General Election on the White Suit ticket?
Don't crow from the rooftops just yet, please.
Gadget
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Not time to gloat? Are you kidding? Morgan can't be vindicated - the photos were fake, the story was sold to the Mirror by iffy sources- what more proof do you want he was wrong? Note the way the entire press corps has turned on him. Haven’t seen such colourful use of English since 6000 time.
Anyone seen SilsoeSid?
Anyone seen SilsoeSid?
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There is no way that I'm trying to vindicate him. Just don't think that his sacking is the end of the matter, eh?
Gadget
Confucius say:
Man who sink into woman's arms soon have arms in woman's sink.
There is no way that I'm trying to vindicate him. Just don't think that his sacking is the end of the matter, eh?
Gadget
Confucius say:
Man who sink into woman's arms soon have arms in woman's sink.
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Still here Maple,
As I said, the photos weren't what they were made out to be. Sorted.
Take care now that you don't tie your laces incorrectly, wear a floppy hat, have a clean weapon, have clean hands, etc etc.
They are all against the image of a squaddie or against regulations, according to experts don't forget.
SS
As I said, the photos weren't what they were made out to be. Sorted.
Take care now that you don't tie your laces incorrectly, wear a floppy hat, have a clean weapon, have clean hands, etc etc.
They are all against the image of a squaddie or against regulations, according to experts don't forget.
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Sunday Times 16 May:
Strange smell of roses around here. 
PIERS MORGAN is demanding £1m compensation from the Daily Mirror after being sacked as its editor for publishing hoax pictures of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners.
Sources close to Morgan said that he expected his two-year rolling contract to be honoured in full by the paper, which was forced [Saturday] to publish a humiliating apology for the fiasco.
This weekend friends of Morgan said that even now he did not accept that the paper had been proved to be in the wrong.
He is understood to have been on a £350,000 salary but his annual package was worth almost £500,000, including use of a company flat in London.
Sources close to Morgan said that he expected his two-year rolling contract to be honoured in full by the paper, which was forced [Saturday] to publish a humiliating apology for the fiasco.
This weekend friends of Morgan said that even now he did not accept that the paper had been proved to be in the wrong.
He is understood to have been on a £350,000 salary but his annual package was worth almost £500,000, including use of a company flat in London.
