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Exact same happened in late 94/ early 95 when about 18 guys were pulled out of the fast jet hold. Sadly, I was one.
It stinks and it really is an example of poor management from the flying training staffs. Once again, though I suspect nobody up the chain will put their hand up and admit to making an error. This problem has been on the way for two years ( if not longer), but every Cdr is as guilty as the next, by passing the buck onward and not making a strong decision. The OCUs haven't been coping with 19's output, 19 barely coping with 208's and 208 not coping with Linton's output for ages. I defy anyone in authority to argue convincingly about that. Continual course figure massaging, course delays and the re-emergence of refresher flying have tried to cover this fact; sadly robust management has been harder to find.
Despite this though, I believe the re-role disposal board will do it's best with a poor situation (not of their making)and post guys to where they are probably best suited.
If you are one of the unfortunates, it will hurt, but don't pitch up with the big chip. It didn't help me! Take a quick look at the number of boys on 7 Sqn who were pulled out of the FJ hold, it tells a story!
Finally, write as many letters as you feel to vent your spleen, but don't think it will make a difference. The same blokes who messed up are hardly likely to change their minds.
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English Pax - sounds like we followed the same path! I dabbled with rotary after receiving a royal shafting from PMA mid 90's (I think 12 out of the 14 on my course ended up at Shawbury, all of us having passed FJLIN @ Linton). Seem to remember the RAF suddenly needing a huge amount of Fast Jet dudes a few years later, funny old thing - don't suppose it will be any different come 2007ish......
To the guys who end up in the 1/3, I think the phrase rhymes with 'Clucking Bell'. I know how you feel but try to be like the Murphys - it's better than carrying a chip around (I only recently got rid of mine and I saw it destroy others).
At least the KingAir's got lots of flashy lights and leather seats . See you in York House for a pint and a moan....
"That's a throttle, not an armrest!"
To the guys who end up in the 1/3, I think the phrase rhymes with 'Clucking Bell'. I know how you feel but try to be like the Murphys - it's better than carrying a chip around (I only recently got rid of mine and I saw it destroy others).
At least the KingAir's got lots of flashy lights and leather seats . See you in York House for a pint and a moan....
"That's a throttle, not an armrest!"
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Agree whole-heartedly with rude kid, the delayed management of a situation that has been screaming at them for ages is sinful.
Lets hope that the 33% get the support they need over the next few days. I heard the SMO was around the bazaars - and the padre!! Not looking good - clearly!
Lets hope that the 33% get the support they need over the next few days. I heard the SMO was around the bazaars - and the padre!! Not looking good - clearly!
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Sadly there is worse to come. The reductions at Linton are driven by the planned reductions downstream. Watch this space in the near future when the front-line cuts are announced.
We are serving in harms way all over the world at the moment doing our duty for a Government that uses the military as the routine fallback money saving option when it has got itself in financial trouble. This incoming bout of savage Treasury driven cost cutting, coupled with woeful leadership from our RAF lords and masters and non-existent management would be beyond belief if it was anywhere but in the UK Armed Services.
I am hard pressed to think of a procurement item that has arrived on time, in budget and actually usefully working in the last few years. I can think of many that did not and remain astonished at the repetition of old procurement / contract mistakes. I despair of the narrow minded blindness to options other than - “it will be OK when Typhoon is operational” which are rapidly leading us to finally achieving Third World Air Force capability in the near future.
We were not employed cos we were stupid. I suspect a reasonable proportion of servicemen / women will vote with their feet and they will be the ones who are just into / finished training and those just about to achieve Exec positions who now see no realistic future. They are the very people we cannot afford to lose! I am cynical enough not to expect an apology from any one, let alone see a senior officer publicly fall on his sword (that would only cull one from the oversized flock of sheep leading us as it is). In reality all I see are our most senior officers being more concerned with perpetuating their pet project, preserving their next promotion prospect and not being the one noticed with their head above the parapet. We need old-fashioned leadership and someone with the “Power” to accept that it came with a duty of “Responsibility”
If this were a company I would be selling my stock.
Yep – I am ranting, cynical and sad
We are serving in harms way all over the world at the moment doing our duty for a Government that uses the military as the routine fallback money saving option when it has got itself in financial trouble. This incoming bout of savage Treasury driven cost cutting, coupled with woeful leadership from our RAF lords and masters and non-existent management would be beyond belief if it was anywhere but in the UK Armed Services.
I am hard pressed to think of a procurement item that has arrived on time, in budget and actually usefully working in the last few years. I can think of many that did not and remain astonished at the repetition of old procurement / contract mistakes. I despair of the narrow minded blindness to options other than - “it will be OK when Typhoon is operational” which are rapidly leading us to finally achieving Third World Air Force capability in the near future.
We were not employed cos we were stupid. I suspect a reasonable proportion of servicemen / women will vote with their feet and they will be the ones who are just into / finished training and those just about to achieve Exec positions who now see no realistic future. They are the very people we cannot afford to lose! I am cynical enough not to expect an apology from any one, let alone see a senior officer publicly fall on his sword (that would only cull one from the oversized flock of sheep leading us as it is). In reality all I see are our most senior officers being more concerned with perpetuating their pet project, preserving their next promotion prospect and not being the one noticed with their head above the parapet. We need old-fashioned leadership and someone with the “Power” to accept that it came with a duty of “Responsibility”
If this were a company I would be selling my stock.
Yep – I am ranting, cynical and sad
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Are cut's going to be imposed on FAA / AAC? I'm hopefully going top be raf in a year... I dont like Rum Sodomy or the lash.
Maybe we can get Mr Branson to buy the old Jags - a lick or red and white, 'Virgin Air-Interdiction'. After all the RBS own our Tutors!
Maybe we can get Mr Branson to buy the old Jags - a lick or red and white, 'Virgin Air-Interdiction'. After all the RBS own our Tutors!
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I am hard pressed to think of a procurement item that has arrived on time, in budget and actually usefully working in the last few years.
) was an example of smart procurement working, generally on time and definitely to budget.Now if rumours correct and the RN loses its "88" (do we have that many????) Sea Kings, will the Mk7 be part of this cull? Therefore will the Fleet be losing both its organic AD and Surveillance capabilities in one fail swoop?
Agree with everything else Stillin1 says. My old colleague timzsta's post on the Sea Jet thread makes interesting reading as well.
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Those of you who are still convinced you're contarcted to your next option point would do well to speak to someone who knows QRs better than I do...
I remember being quoted by a sad individual who had to leave:
'officer no longer required, no fault of the officer'
Carte blanche to do what you want, although that would be a pritty ****ty PR exercise. Not even BuffHoon would try that (would he...?)
I remember being quoted by a sad individual who had to leave:
'officer no longer required, no fault of the officer'
Carte blanche to do what you want, although that would be a pritty ****ty PR exercise. Not even BuffHoon would try that (would he...?)
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Ha ha ha
Do we think this means no more Linton creamies for a while then? Can I breathe easy? Or do we think that it would be too expenive for them to 'ramp down' only to 'ramp up' again in a few months...?
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Just out of interest, is any of this poo likely to affect linton course 212 and onwards, or will it have cleared up somewhat before june? If all 6 on 212 or 213 finish the course will they go to valley, or be in the pleasant company of Cranwell cadets afterwards?
Who said this holding lark isn't fun eh?!
LB
Who said this holding lark isn't fun eh?!
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Pre AFT UAs creaming
yes its all true!!!
The first UAS Creamie course begins at the end of may at cranditz
Dont all go applying though you will need at least a 5 on you FHT to even be considered, but if you do get creamied off you will be promised a FJ slot when you finish your first tour on the Tutor.
all the best for being creamied.
The first UAS Creamie course begins at the end of may at cranditz
Dont all go applying though you will need at least a 5 on you FHT to even be considered, but if you do get creamied off you will be promised a FJ slot when you finish your first tour on the Tutor.
all the best for being creamied.
Is this for post 208 guys as well, or just post Linton? With the recent cull, the holds for Valley have dropped to something approximating the previous couple of years. If they were to introduce something like this, it'd benefit guys who might be just good enough to get to Valley, but would be a better single-seat bet with a few more hours...?
Who's on it? If the course begins end of May, I assume joining instructions must be on their way out... are there likely to be less refreshers pitching up at Linton in the near future..?
Who's on it? If the course begins end of May, I assume joining instructions must be on their way out... are there likely to be less refreshers pitching up at Linton in the near future..?
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Ladies & Gents,
I'm afraid that you are all barking up the wrong tree and have been fed some V poor info. God save the queen - you are indeed a wind up merchant. Now do you all remember Admin Guru! Yes changes are going to occur - but why panic - life isn't exactly rosey outside and perhaps it's better the devil you know. I'm sure that better informed people will speak to you all soon - safe flying to those who still can......
I'm afraid that you are all barking up the wrong tree and have been fed some V poor info. God save the queen - you are indeed a wind up merchant. Now do you all remember Admin Guru! Yes changes are going to occur - but why panic - life isn't exactly rosey outside and perhaps it's better the devil you know. I'm sure that better informed people will speak to you all soon - safe flying to those who still can......
