What would you cut?
I would cut Free food for Aircrew.
The reason, everyone I work with, takes their own lunches into work. Why should it be different if you wear a growbag.
I remember when the Tin Triangles went on a 4 hour sortie, the crew would take an almighty butty box on board. Imagine a whole 4 hours without food, no wonder some of the crews look like they need a diet sheet to be included.
The reason, everyone I work with, takes their own lunches into work. Why should it be different if you wear a growbag.
I remember when the Tin Triangles went on a 4 hour sortie, the crew would take an almighty butty box on board. Imagine a whole 4 hours without food, no wonder some of the crews look like they need a diet sheet to be included.
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Free food for Aircrew??
Oh you mean flying rations!!! I live in and often get a sh1tty butty box in lieu of dinner - free food --yummy, I'll have some please. More stale cheese sarnies for me!
Oh, and the duty supper in the all ranks mess - let them eat cheese!
Oh you mean flying rations!!! I live in and often get a sh1tty butty box in lieu of dinner - free food --yummy, I'll have some please. More stale cheese sarnies for me!
Oh, and the duty supper in the all ranks mess - let them eat cheese!
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I would get rid of all items to do with ceremonial.
Bands, flags, dress uniforms etc.
We are not appreciated by the great unwashed indeed the sight of men marching invariably is accompanied by the assertion that we can not be undermanned if we can continue to put on such a good show.
In addition, as stated before, we do not need the Red Arrows, Falcons etc.
Moreover, airdays must be a net lose. Granted the labour is mostly free. The last one I went to resembled a car boot sale and did nothing to further the RAF in the eyes of those who pay for it.
Bands, flags, dress uniforms etc.
We are not appreciated by the great unwashed indeed the sight of men marching invariably is accompanied by the assertion that we can not be undermanned if we can continue to put on such a good show.
In addition, as stated before, we do not need the Red Arrows, Falcons etc.
Moreover, airdays must be a net lose. Granted the labour is mostly free. The last one I went to resembled a car boot sale and did nothing to further the RAF in the eyes of those who pay for it.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
In 1964, a V-bomber sqn, post centralised servicing had 56 personnel. Eleven crews of 5 officers and one SNCO pa to the OC. There was a wg cdr OC and a sqn ldr flt cdr. Leaving being what it was, for 3 months of the year only one of the two was on the sqn.
Our boss then declared that he would take all overseas trips except that he would not take any when he was already on one.
We had Goose Rangers, Western Rangers, Lone Rangers, and the detachments of course.
The guys that ran the outfit were the 2 or 3 Cranwell flt lts that were bucking for promotion. The rest of us just got on with the job.
Hodgkinson changed all that. He wanted the RAF News to be distributed free, he wanted overborn sqn ldrs, ie promoted but not posted until properly tourex. We went from the wg cdr/sqn ldr to flt cdr A, flt cdr B, pilot leader, nav leader, AE leader. From the one sqn ldr being in charge for much of the time and responsible for 50 men we had 5 sqn ldrs, 4 of whom were never in command, and only in charge of 10 men. Progress?
Our boss then declared that he would take all overseas trips except that he would not take any when he was already on one.
We had Goose Rangers, Western Rangers, Lone Rangers, and the detachments of course.
The guys that ran the outfit were the 2 or 3 Cranwell flt lts that were bucking for promotion. The rest of us just got on with the job.
Hodgkinson changed all that. He wanted the RAF News to be distributed free, he wanted overborn sqn ldrs, ie promoted but not posted until properly tourex. We went from the wg cdr/sqn ldr to flt cdr A, flt cdr B, pilot leader, nav leader, AE leader. From the one sqn ldr being in charge for much of the time and responsible for 50 men we had 5 sqn ldrs, 4 of whom were never in command, and only in charge of 10 men. Progress?
Looking around camp to day it struck me just how much MT there is, lots of it needed but does everyone need their own personal chariot? I have even seen a car for the Station Librarian at one unit 
A cull of Senior ranks would do no harm but it'll never happen.
Also less on money wasting studies, initatives, pamphlets, folders, leaflets, CD ROMs etc etc
The trouble with common sense is : It's not too common
A cull of Senior ranks would do no harm but it'll never happen.
Also less on money wasting studies, initatives, pamphlets, folders, leaflets, CD ROMs etc etc
The trouble with common sense is : It's not too common
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Bin the Royal Air Force and buy 3 more rowing boats and a jet ski for the Andrew....
I mean, we get invaded Thursday to Sunday then we're fecked!
I'll be alright though, out at sea for 6 months but the missus'll be speaking Arabic by the time I get back....
I mean, we get invaded Thursday to Sunday then we're fecked!
I'll be alright though, out at sea for 6 months but the missus'll be speaking Arabic by the time I get back....
You have obviously never spent any time in the middle east, or you would know that Thursday and Friday are the Arab weekend, so we have no chance of being invaded then...!!
Duh - idiot, no wonder you are in the RN!!
Duh - idiot, no wonder you are in the RN!!
Well with all this talk of merging we should enter 2010 with maybe just ten RAF bases.
Talk about a sitting duck?! Ten well placed nuke tipped missiles from who ever gets them first and wants a pop at the US's poodle and we are FECKED!!!
It defies tactical sense just to appease financial sense!!!
Talk about a sitting duck?! Ten well placed nuke tipped missiles from who ever gets them first and wants a pop at the US's poodle and we are FECKED!!!
It defies tactical sense just to appease financial sense!!!
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Cuts
I vaguely recall an idea put forward some years ago in the US. Essentially, so the story went, if an auditor stood outside the Pentagon and removed every third person that entered, the organisation would continue to function.
Let's cut to the chase. The issue is one of the unacceptably high cost of the public/civil 'service' (what a malapropism) administrative tail. In Oz, public service employment oncost is in the order of at least 120% of salary - because of the generous terms and conditions of employment these so called 'servants' enjoy - including a security of tenure that is not found anywhere else in the labour market.
And, may I be so bold to suggest that many of these 'public servants' are oxygen thieves and not capable of breathing in an iron lung!
Unfortunately, no politician, Antipodean or Pom, has the 'bottle' to tackle the 'Sir Humphries' on this issue. Instead, it's much easier to pick on those in uniform because there's no legitimate way in which Service personnel can organise a collective response.
There's a distinct lack of intestinal fortitude on the part of our elected representatives in dealing with these issues. It's quite acceptable to commit forces to Iraq and elsewhere, sympathise with the families of those who are killed, and generally bask in military successes. But to tackle the public sector unions on getting value for tax payers' money is just too hard.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose!
Let's cut to the chase. The issue is one of the unacceptably high cost of the public/civil 'service' (what a malapropism) administrative tail. In Oz, public service employment oncost is in the order of at least 120% of salary - because of the generous terms and conditions of employment these so called 'servants' enjoy - including a security of tenure that is not found anywhere else in the labour market.
And, may I be so bold to suggest that many of these 'public servants' are oxygen thieves and not capable of breathing in an iron lung!
Unfortunately, no politician, Antipodean or Pom, has the 'bottle' to tackle the 'Sir Humphries' on this issue. Instead, it's much easier to pick on those in uniform because there's no legitimate way in which Service personnel can organise a collective response.
There's a distinct lack of intestinal fortitude on the part of our elected representatives in dealing with these issues. It's quite acceptable to commit forces to Iraq and elsewhere, sympathise with the families of those who are killed, and generally bask in military successes. But to tackle the public sector unions on getting value for tax payers' money is just too hard.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose!
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Argus,
It would seem that some one of our politicians has taken on the Sir Humphries - over 40,000 civil servants jobs to go - announced in the budget! The proof is in the pudding however and I'll really believe it when it happens.
GB2
It would seem that some one of our politicians has taken on the Sir Humphries - over 40,000 civil servants jobs to go - announced in the budget! The proof is in the pudding however and I'll really believe it when it happens.
GB2
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SSBN - not a cat in hell's chance of THAT being chopped. Nothing to do with boys toys for the Navy or nobody to nuclear deter against. Simple - if we ditch SSBN, our glorious leadership loses its place on the UN Security Council. End of story. And President Blair and all of his successors are not about to give up that little nugget of power in the world, are they?
A simpler solution - take the MOD telephone directory (have you seen it? - it's about the size of a large yellow pages), rip out alternate pages and disestablish all those posts and make the imcumbents redundant. Probably wouldn't notice the difference and would save a fortune, even taking into account redundancy settlements.
A simpler solution - take the MOD telephone directory (have you seen it? - it's about the size of a large yellow pages), rip out alternate pages and disestablish all those posts and make the imcumbents redundant. Probably wouldn't notice the difference and would save a fortune, even taking into account redundancy settlements.
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Took a long time to consider chopping SAR
JTIDS.
Couldn't believe it took so long for someone to say chop SAR. The SAR boys fight a perennial battle against civilianisation and maybe we are about to see the final straw. People should know that using civvy SAR is not 'crossing over to the dark side'. The Bristows and CHC crews do a bloomin' good job on about half the MOD SAR budget.
Just changed my shirt from yellow to red and white.
Couldn't believe it took so long for someone to say chop SAR. The SAR boys fight a perennial battle against civilianisation and maybe we are about to see the final straw. People should know that using civvy SAR is not 'crossing over to the dark side'. The Bristows and CHC crews do a bloomin' good job on about half the MOD SAR budget.
Just changed my shirt from yellow to red and white.
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Why bother?
We don't have to carve bits off ourselves. Just watch the politicos and the air risks, they'll do it - like they always have done. Then we'll work out how to cope with it - like we always have done. Plus Ca Change..................
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What to Cut?
Personally I would get rid of all the officers who were promoted just so the "Boss" could get rid of him. I would also dump any of the "I need to get Promotion at all costs" types as well. We probably have more of the later than we have squadrons, and why is it as they get higher up the chain the more desperate they get?
