UK Armed Forces annual pay award
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FRIs
The reason for the lack of any comments or recommendations relating to existing FRIs is because they are set to continue at the existing rates for 5 years since inception. Last year's AFPRB report clearly states this fact and indicates that they will be producing a review of the effect of the existing FRIs in the 2005 Report.
The new FRI for NCA (£20K at 17 years) is mentioned in this year's Report and is fully supported by the AFPRB.
The FRIs are not subject to indexing linking. They are fixed amounts payable to particular personnel meeting specific requirements.
Hope this helps to allay any fears that the FRIs are no longer in place.
The new FRI for NCA (£20K at 17 years) is mentioned in this year's Report and is fully supported by the AFPRB.
The FRIs are not subject to indexing linking. They are fixed amounts payable to particular personnel meeting specific requirements.
Hope this helps to allay any fears that the FRIs are no longer in place.
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I guess I should have been a fireman
If the pay review board is truly independant why should they take into account affordability (it's in the report) surely they put forward a reccomendation and the government should then cap it.
My initial reading of this suggests they have been given a budget and told "spend carefully and we'll keep the change if you don't mind"
Still if I don't like it ..........................tough
If the pay review board is truly independant why should they take into account affordability (it's in the report) surely they put forward a reccomendation and the government should then cap it.
My initial reading of this suggests they have been given a budget and told "spend carefully and we'll keep the change if you don't mind"
Still if I don't like it ..........................tough
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Another Slap in the Face
This pay award, for it certainly is not a pay rise in any real terms, is nothing more than a derisory insult to all the men and women who have worked so hard over the last 12 months.
The audacity of a government that has the military doing firemans jobs(because they cocked up that pay deal) and then sends the same troops of to war is unbelievable. And have you seen the size of the pay rises that ministers and MPs have recieved! It couldn't be more insulting.
I urge everyone to do as I am, and write immediately to your MP, make your views know and make sure that pressure is also applied up the chain. This way we may not get a change in the pay award, but hopefully we will get a change in the leadership of the MOD and once and for all get rid of that waste of space Hoon (Exactly what has he done that has benefited the forces, and not his career). Make sure those at the top know we're not happy. especially as they are sending us away from home and family more often.
The audacity of a government that has the military doing firemans jobs(because they cocked up that pay deal) and then sends the same troops of to war is unbelievable. And have you seen the size of the pay rises that ministers and MPs have recieved! It couldn't be more insulting.
I urge everyone to do as I am, and write immediately to your MP, make your views know and make sure that pressure is also applied up the chain. This way we may not get a change in the pay award, but hopefully we will get a change in the leadership of the MOD and once and for all get rid of that waste of space Hoon (Exactly what has he done that has benefited the forces, and not his career). Make sure those at the top know we're not happy. especially as they are sending us away from home and family more often.
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I'm afraid I have to go against the flow and say that the pay award is not that bad considering the huge black hole that is appearing in this Governments finances.
People always seem to forget that for the Officer Ranks, unless you've 'peaked out' in a particular rank, you get an increment as well as the Pay Award within any calender year. From my quick bashing on a calculator, for most, the pay rise over the whole year will be about 4.6%.
Then there are those that either jumped across, or will within this calendar year, to the PA Spine. As you can't take a pay cut and the pay rates are not perfectly aligned, this is worth about another 0.3%.
Ask around your mates out in civvy street and see what type of pay and pay rises those of your vintage are getting. I bet many of them won't be seeing nearly 5%, assuming they've still got a job at all that is.
I don't see much green grass on the other side of the fence, so to quote a Monty Python favourite of mine..."Always look on the bright side of life". When you consider what a non-contributory pension is worth as well, we aren't badly paid really.
People always seem to forget that for the Officer Ranks, unless you've 'peaked out' in a particular rank, you get an increment as well as the Pay Award within any calender year. From my quick bashing on a calculator, for most, the pay rise over the whole year will be about 4.6%.
Then there are those that either jumped across, or will within this calendar year, to the PA Spine. As you can't take a pay cut and the pay rates are not perfectly aligned, this is worth about another 0.3%.
Ask around your mates out in civvy street and see what type of pay and pay rises those of your vintage are getting. I bet many of them won't be seeing nearly 5%, assuming they've still got a job at all that is.
I don't see much green grass on the other side of the fence, so to quote a Monty Python favourite of mine..."Always look on the bright side of life". When you consider what a non-contributory pension is worth as well, we aren't badly paid really.
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I agree. I know of many people that work v hard in civvy street and receive .5 to 1% as a pay rise. We don`t actually do that bad.
I like the spin given though. " MOD give a warm welcome to the pay award and say it reflects the hard work done"
Not sure how to take that . .. . . .. .
Anyone know how much Flying Pay is going up by ? Can`t seem to access the document
I like the spin given though. " MOD give a warm welcome to the pay award and say it reflects the hard work done"
Not sure how to take that . .. . . .. .
Anyone know how much Flying Pay is going up by ? Can`t seem to access the document
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As I sit in my Office working 8-5 getting a full whack of flying pay I just cannot believe the moaning bunch of t£$%$rs out there.
This is an above average, above inflation pay rise.
Ask the Civil Servant or contractor who works next to what he got and how much he is really paid.
Waht do you guys want more money or less flying hours/runs ashore and subs.
This is an above average, above inflation pay rise.
Ask the Civil Servant or contractor who works next to what he got and how much he is really paid.
Waht do you guys want more money or less flying hours/runs ashore and subs.
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If it is anything like the last 2 years, then once the taxman gets his bit, you get less per month in hand.
I earned more in Apr 2001 than I did in Apr 2003!!
That is progress I believe. ..... and yes I am a fellow whinger, cause I am well beyond being a "Career Yes man!"
I earned more in Apr 2001 than I did in Apr 2003!!
That is progress I believe. ..... and yes I am a fellow whinger, cause I am well beyond being a "Career Yes man!"
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IMHO it's not a bad deal. The 2.8% seems to apply across the board (basic + flying pay etc). More than I expected anyway.
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The reason people like teeteringhead are asking about FRI's is because, although not mentioned in the AFPRB reports, the MOD Q&A briefs made heavy mention of (and I quote) "ARR FRI rates will be governed by the manning situation and market forces. These will be reviewed annually by MOD. Manning evidence is provided to the Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body by MOD annually and the level of ARR FRIs and remuneration may be altered accordingly."
As far as I know no mention is good - i.e. the levels remain unchanged. However, standby for the major revamp next year.
D4R
DP H
The reason people like teeteringhead are asking about FRI's is because, although not mentioned in the AFPRB reports, the MOD Q&A briefs made heavy mention of (and I quote) "ARR FRI rates will be governed by the manning situation and market forces. These will be reviewed annually by MOD. Manning evidence is provided to the Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body by MOD annually and the level of ARR FRIs and remuneration may be altered accordingly."
As far as I know no mention is good - i.e. the levels remain unchanged. However, standby for the major revamp next year.
D4R
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Reference FRI, my understanding of the situation is that FRI is guaranteed to exist for a minimum of 5 years, but the ACTUAL AMOUNT is subject to variation on a year by year basis depending on retention requirements!!!
Fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mdip..............I'll bite, most of us don't get flying pay, the only extra money we get is LSSA/B GYHD etc etc an admission like yours
deserves utter contempt. It merely re-enforces my opinion that there are too many people in the RAF who just polish chairs and take the money.
I believe it is a rotten deal when compared against the "brave firemen" it was the military who once again bailed out a government who had messed up pay negotiations (I know the argument about employers negotiating but it's the treasury who hold the purse strings), not to mention the Iraq fiasco, where it now seems many good people lost their live under false pretences.
The only thing I am grateful for is I'm not a teacher as their pay is set to be cut in the next two years.
Having checked my pay packet from jan 02 I find that my take home pay has risen by just short of £35 I can't imagine where it all goes.
As I sit in my Office working 8-5 getting a full whack of flying pay
I believe it is a rotten deal when compared against the "brave firemen" it was the military who once again bailed out a government who had messed up pay negotiations (I know the argument about employers negotiating but it's the treasury who hold the purse strings), not to mention the Iraq fiasco, where it now seems many good people lost their live under false pretences.
The only thing I am grateful for is I'm not a teacher as their pay is set to be cut in the next two years.
Having checked my pay packet from jan 02 I find that my take home pay has risen by just short of £35 I can't imagine where it all goes.
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So to summarise:
A 22% increase in leaky garage charges (over 3 years)
2.8% pay rise - more than HCIP (new way of considering inflation) but less than the RPI/RPIX
Increases paid for out of existing budget
Net cost to the services £196 million
Now since we have a £3-4 billion overspend in the next 3 years, what else will be cut to pay for this:
£196 million = a type 45? 4 Eurofighters?
A 22% increase in leaky garage charges (over 3 years)
2.8% pay rise - more than HCIP (new way of considering inflation) but less than the RPI/RPIX
Increases paid for out of existing budget
Net cost to the services £196 million
Now since we have a £3-4 billion overspend in the next 3 years, what else will be cut to pay for this:
£196 million = a type 45? 4 Eurofighters?
bbx I'd got that far but I stand by my comments. There are far too many people in the RAF who " just sit in their office 8-5 and collect the money." If you re-read you will notice that I never mentioned Pilots/aircrew it was a general comment about the great many who do not do their share. I hope that the Army and RN are better off in that respect otherwise there is not much hope for the military in the UK. We will soon be so top heavy there will be an officer for each enlisted person.
The pay deal still stinks and I'm still glad I'm not a teacher or any other of the myriad of public servants this government appears to hate.
minor rant over
The pay deal still stinks and I'm still glad I'm not a teacher or any other of the myriad of public servants this government appears to hate.
minor rant over
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The FRI's as originally described in the 2002 AFPRB Report were to run for a minimum of 5 years, i.e. 2002-2006.
Consider though this from the latest report:
2.27 We welcome the effect of the remuneration measures on Aircrew manning. We have called for a full review of all Aircrew measures, including Flying Pay, for our 2005 Report. In view of the re-emergence of competition from the commercial market and the impact of the new Service pay arrangements, we ask MOD to provide an assessment of progress against various targets to achieve manning balance and subsequently “sustainable experience profiles” and the continuing requirement for the short-term FRIs.
Just because the 2002 report said FRI's would run for 5 years doesn't mean they will. I am thankful for those this year who will get their well deserved FRI if they decide to sign on. However, looking a little further down the line to those who qualify for an FRI in 2005-6, as usually nothing is guaranteed.
The FRI's as originally described in the 2002 AFPRB Report were to run for a minimum of 5 years, i.e. 2002-2006.
Consider though this from the latest report:
2.27 We welcome the effect of the remuneration measures on Aircrew manning. We have called for a full review of all Aircrew measures, including Flying Pay, for our 2005 Report. In view of the re-emergence of competition from the commercial market and the impact of the new Service pay arrangements, we ask MOD to provide an assessment of progress against various targets to achieve manning balance and subsequently “sustainable experience profiles” and the continuing requirement for the short-term FRIs.
Just because the 2002 report said FRI's would run for 5 years doesn't mean they will. I am thankful for those this year who will get their well deserved FRI if they decide to sign on. However, looking a little further down the line to those who qualify for an FRI in 2005-6, as usually nothing is guaranteed.
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For your information
wish to be out on sqns and amongst the real RAF, RN and Army, but as the many who are out there do not wish to rotate through staff jobs (because they may have houses localy etc and dont want the move "The comfort zone!"), we retain the constant PMA trawls to fill posts. Additionaly those that get sent here can rarely find a post to get back to
I suggest you wake up and volunteer for a staff tour (branch and rank permitted) and see what actually goes on. Nights away from home on a weekly basis in places as exotic as Bristol or in our wonderfull Messes
coupled with 10 hr+ days in support of the "Hard" working front line.
I do not deny that you may work long hours and go on OOAs (we are not exempt OOA and Fresco stuff etc) but please only rant when perhaps in a position to do so.
LTB
For your information
many people in the RAF who " just sit in their office 8-5 and collect the money
I suggest you wake up and volunteer for a staff tour (branch and rank permitted) and see what actually goes on. Nights away from home on a weekly basis in places as exotic as Bristol or in our wonderfull Messes
coupled with 10 hr+ days in support of the "Hard" working front line.
I do not deny that you may work long hours and go on OOAs (we are not exempt OOA and Fresco stuff etc) but please only rant when perhaps in a position to do so.
LTB
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Specialist Pay
Chapter 4 of the report on page 27 deals with Specialist pay (flying pay). Having had an increase of 15p a day I took the following paragraphs as interesting:
"4.4 MOD’s evidence proposed the introduction of standard daily rates of Specialist Pay from 1 April 2004 comprising 100 rates at 50p increments (from 50p to £50 at 2003 prices).
Transition would be to the nearest increment. This would produce different increases for different groups but, following the principle in other major pay changes, no one would take a pay cut as a result."
"4.5 We welcome the introduction of common arrangements under JPA and MOD’s efforts to rationalise the plethora of extra payments and allowances which cloud the remuneration
system. We note that some items of Specialist Pay have already moved, or will move, to common principles as a result of our periodic reviews. We anticipate receiving further evidence in preparation for the full transition under JPA. In the meantime, the early introduction of standard rates of Specialist Pay will do much to clarify the system in the minds of personnel themselves and will make it easier to manage future modifications or targeting of specific groups. We therefore recommend the introduction of standard rates of Specialist Pay from 1 April 2004. We further recommend that the standard rates be increased in line with our overall pay recommendation. MOD explained in the evidence
paper that when it transfers personnel to the new rates on 1 April 2004 differential increases will be produced."
sorry for the legth of quote.
"4.4 MOD’s evidence proposed the introduction of standard daily rates of Specialist Pay from 1 April 2004 comprising 100 rates at 50p increments (from 50p to £50 at 2003 prices).
Transition would be to the nearest increment. This would produce different increases for different groups but, following the principle in other major pay changes, no one would take a pay cut as a result."
"4.5 We welcome the introduction of common arrangements under JPA and MOD’s efforts to rationalise the plethora of extra payments and allowances which cloud the remuneration
system. We note that some items of Specialist Pay have already moved, or will move, to common principles as a result of our periodic reviews. We anticipate receiving further evidence in preparation for the full transition under JPA. In the meantime, the early introduction of standard rates of Specialist Pay will do much to clarify the system in the minds of personnel themselves and will make it easier to manage future modifications or targeting of specific groups. We therefore recommend the introduction of standard rates of Specialist Pay from 1 April 2004. We further recommend that the standard rates be increased in line with our overall pay recommendation. MOD explained in the evidence
paper that when it transfers personnel to the new rates on 1 April 2004 differential increases will be produced."
sorry for the legth of quote.