Going Boeing
 

Hey Tail Rota The guys are smokin the right stuff

Check out the news item here

My money is on EK becoming mainly a Boeing Fleet.

What a Crack
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G''day Uplock

Surely Airbus would not allow EK to pull out of an order of 45 A380's . That would be the end of Airbus. The Arlines have known about this delay for a while and will have plans in place to cover the capacity shortfall.

However, Airbus will now be trying to minimise the loss finacially, not just over the short term, but the long term with regards to the A350/A370 potential. I think the cost to the French long term will never be known for sure.

As for the B747-8F ......well anything is posible......at the moment.... EK is still up for the A380's.....they havent cancelled anything yet....so we will have to see.

the Paris Airshow announcements will should reveal all:E


TR:ok:

As an asside, but how do you market a double decker sardine tin to passengers?

The only way I can figure that it would work for the ME markets would be to fill the top deck only with First/Business seats and make the bottom deck virtualy all economy or with some economy+

As for the 380 programme itself, I remember watching the building of it on the Discovery channel and could not figure how they can build it as a profit making business.:confused:

I mean, barging the wing down the Severn, at low tide and then loading it to a ship for France. Shutting down whole French villages at night to road transport sections of the plane....etc. :confused:

TR, guess you're not really up to date with your info (last years??)

First of all, the airlines were already annoyed with the initial delay, but Airbus announce only last week an additional delay of about 8 months with a 'domino' effect for deliveries through 2009.

Second, no Paris airshow this year, you might want to try your luck at Farnborough..


MR8

I would think EK have serious grounds to cancel a large number of the 380 orders. They are the largest 380 customer but they will be the 3td to get one behind SQ and QF who will both get their full quota before EK get one. I would think that being the largest customer EK has some pretty serious clout to change this. My guess is that they are waiting to hear what the internal changes will be at Airbus/EADS while negotiating some pretty serious cash back/ maintenance/alternatives deals etc with Airbus. If EK cancelled all 45 Airbus would be sunk.

The implication of a second delay to EK is massive. All of the growth projections are based on the delivery of the 380. So no bonuses for the next couple of years then...

At least it may meant the 380 gets delivered when the new terminal is ready to receive them!

Emirates has confirmed they WILL NOT back out of the deal. However with further delays I think it may change their mind about ordering airbus products in the future.

Even with the delays, EK will receive the 380's well before the first 747-8 is available. That combined with the absolute rock-bottomed price that EK received for the 380's makes cancellation of the order highly unlikely. On the other hand, I'm sure that Emirates will extract the maximum penalty from Airbus over this.

What if EK buy a squillion put options in EADS cancel their order make a squillion in the share slump, buy the company at rock bottom produce their A380 then resell or liquidate EADS , free A380s.....

ok guys.

Farnborough will reveal all.....:E or some airshow in the very near future:cool:

TR:ok:

PS......note to self....delete Paris from top bid to go to airshow this year

Surely if one customer were to cancel their order (e.g. ILFC for 10 or so) then everyone else would shuffle up the production line and they'd all be back on schedule?

:D

My tuppence worth!

EK wont be allowed to cancell := Take a look at the new terminal 3. Purpose built for the 380, so the face saving simply will not allow it:rolleyes:

A380 delay effect on upgrades
 

Has anyone given much thought to the effect of the further delay of the A380 on upgrades in EK.
I imagine there is much scrambling to save par in Toulouse as we speak and hopefully EK being true to form will manage to screw Airbus for a stopgap solution to the now elusive 380.
Maybe some temporary 340-500/600 aircraft might be made available to EK as a short term solution and upgrades will chug along at the stuttering pace they have been.
No doubt the powers that be will use this to their advantage to justify more Decs in some complex logic pattern that will elude all of us.:ugh:

All DEC recruitement should now stop. All offers to DECs not yet here should be withdrawn. They are no longer required.

No effect on 777 still commands in six months for some lucky guys and also still running on 3 years or less , whats the problem...........:=

delayed upgrades
 

I agree that DECs should be halted but as you know this will not be the case.Upgrades are still being affected on the BUS fleet ,just ask the last batch of 18 and this latest 380 story will provide an excuse to EK.
WAIT AND SEE:zzz:

EK talking about 380's delays.:=
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1150893923.html

Um :confused: Isn't there a few other differences? Less fuel, admittedly, but just a tad less pax!

Maybe a lot easier than marketing a plastic airplane (airfix?)

Now, apart from being a Brit ( :E ), I'm NOT pro or anti either company - and I fly a lot in both brands. IMHO, as a pax, I can see good arguments for both DreamLiner and A380. I hope they both do well in the markets that they are aimed at!

Boing chose to laugh at ScareBus' idea of 500+ seats, and take a different approach. But now they are pushing the idea of "higher-capacity 747". When the 74' was first introduced, they suggested that "the top deck will eventually go all the way back", but then stopped working on that idea (maybe engines back then were not up to it) but now that A380 is knocking at the door, they are back on the "Super-Jumbo" track:confused: Sounds just a bit like sour grapes to me.

EK 380 Fleet
 

Hiya Gents,

Just wondering ... when the 380's start to arrive will recruitment be direct onto the 380 fleet ( FO's position ) or via the 330/340 ? also approx what will be the time to command for a new FO joining on the airbus fleet in general taking into account the 380 deliveries ?

Many thanks

Max

Since the airline is about half way to its estimated full pilot strength based on its growth plan (this is a pretty large generalization so don't dump all over me for it) and we are at about 1450 pilots presently this would mean that lots of new joiners will wait a long time for command. The current wait time is about 3.5 - 4 years for the Airbus and about 3 years on the B777. At the moment...

The A380 will be crewed by a mixture of direct entry FOs, cross trained FOs (mostly from the A330 and A340), and Captains from the Airbus Fleet.

k-o-t-s

With Airbus giving full training package to EK, I doubt it is wise for the co to have a preferred group. I hope they go for bidding system, me looking forward to get my hand on the mother of the sky.... BIG MAMA.

Since over one thousand pilot leaving EK, me think me have a very good chance.

k.o.t.s .. thanks for your post :ok:

kamaciwa ... i dont think 1000 pilots are leaving buddy :confused:

anyone else with any more info

cheers,
Max

max,
I think they will hire u and put you on the 380 right away cos everybody else is stupid and does not have your aviation skills, I am sure you will get your upgrade within 2 years on the 380.

So far the base aircraft is the 330 and all 380 pilots will have to do the 330 first. That includs 777 and newhires. My guess is there will be a full 380 course coming when the 330/340 is phased out. Does anyone know what sims are being put in the new building?

Tech guy told me 1 380 and 1 777 to start.

The new building will have 2 x A380 Full Flight Simulators leaving two spare bays for whatever type EK finally selects........ A350 or B787.

The new B777-300ER FFS will join the B777-300 FFS in the EAC

That's if the thing gets here. Further delays expected now, but in typical EK fashion, nothing said about it yet by the office.

Airbus always supply conversions with a new aircraft, so to say that everyone will have to start on the A330 is a little rich. For the normal guys ie you and me, yes the A330 will be the starting block, but for those stellar locals in management and other immensely senior chaps who know people who know people I bet they never see an A330, they will be in the A380 before you blink!!!
As an aside it will be a breath of fresh air for the B777 fleet to transfer some of our more popular pilots onto the A380, some went about a year ago to do the A330 route, but a few of the more special ones are still on the B777waiting waiting!!!!
:p

Fatbus

I dont think your info is correct. As far as I have read in one of the newsletters, the first 8 aircraft will be crewed from the Airbus fleet. Thereafter its B777 and whoever they can find.

But first they have to certify it...

I am under no illusion that the first of the fat buses will be crewed by Airbus guys, that is of course the most sensible thing to do (surprising that EK shoud be sensible for once), however what I implied was that in due course certain guys from the B777 will miraculously arrive on it without any, or maybe very very little A330 time.
watch this space.........................
:p

Those who are on the B777 know who the 'popular' ones are - just ask a couple of guys are they will all come up with the same names!!!!!
Some of them maybe waiting for the B747-8F or whatever it is being called in the vain hope of flying it.
You don't need to have flown the A330/340 to fly the A380 (unless of course you are at EK and of course EK is different as we all know),if you have flown new generation airbus before, it may mean you know a litttle more about the airbus systems but you still will just learn the A380 like any other aircraft. Nobody ever said you had to fly a B757/767 before you could fly a B777 or B744 so why should you fly the A330/340 before the A380???????
:p

Muttley mate. If you have to ask maybe you are one of them.:)

You have to fly the 330 before the 380 because the course offered by airbus is a ccq course.....EK will use this for the first 8 (?) aircraft then offer full conversion courses for everyone else (ie boeing). Just a matter of economics.

As Max just said ,the 330 is the base A/C, until EK gets a full course for the 380 everyone that goes that direction ,even 777 pilots ,will have to do the 330 course followed by the CCQ to the 380. That could even be after the first 8, all that was said is the first 8 will be from the AB fleet.This is the same thing that is applied to the 340, has anyone done a full 340 course? No,ccq from the 330.

A346
 

A recurring rumour seems to be the resurrection of the A346 that EK had firm orders (subsequently deferred indefinitely) for, plus further options.
These to take the place of the delayed A380.
Seems to me to make sense but can anyone confirm/deny or even shed any light on the subject?

The A346s are coming.
 

And you know what? They will most likely need A330 DECs because of it! Why? Surely you can't have a regular flow of normal upgrades on the Airbus AND loose 22+15+? more Airbus FOs to Transition Upgrade on the 777 AND do CCQ training for 330 FOs AND hire new 330 FOs at the same time! Y'all have to understand, it's simple economics!:=
Bent over but still pinching my buttcheeks:ugh:

No Aibus DECs
 

If they do indeed put DECs in the Airbus it is high time we all leave. First we should march right into TCAS or MR EDs office and demand an explaination for this act. There is no reason to put DECs in the Airbus when a lot of FOs are looking at 4 years to command.
Then when no explaination is given we march off to Europe and get real jobs.

ek 346
 

I've heard the rumour on the 346 as well.. As a matter of fact there's one parked in front Ibn Battuta Mall already!!;) :} :ok:

380 or 346?
 

EADS still maintains the project is on the 'revised' timeline. So EK should get three aircraft in 2007, October, November and December.

If this schedule slips and EK takes 346s, it all gets very interesting. I doubt even a tame regulator will allow 330/343/345/346 MFF.

So how will they split the fleets? All 340 types as one and 330 as another would make sense. But I pity the poor guys on this fleet.:eek:

330/343 as one and 345/6 as another would work too. No 345/6 simulator in Dubai though.

Either way the decision will not be based on logic, but the self interest of the managers involved in formulating it - naturally.:yuk:

Why not? Was flying A319/320/321 and A330 MFF as well. What's the difference between A345 and A346? I guess it's just the length.

What about 777-200 ,777-200er ,777-200lr ,777-300 and 777-300er is it not the same as A330, 343 ,345 and 346 no its one more for the 777....