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Originally Posted by VAMY
(Post 9967859)
If the guys had any sense, or gumption, they would get themselves together as a negotiation group and market themselves to the highest/ best bidder, similar to what our MAS colleagues did when Saudi went to KL looking a few years ago.
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Whats the story with the -8F's, are they coming back with Saudia crew or contractors?
I heard a funny story that cargo now want to lease back the MD-11's after they were sold. |
Yes It's happening. But as far as I see, they are going to let go people and going to run into serious shortage very soon.
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Originally Posted by Flyboy_SG
(Post 9970041)
Yes It's happening. But as far as I see, they are going to let go people and going to run into serious shortage very soon.
This China group thing (good idea in theory) won't work. The Chinese have too many legal restrictions on Pilots e.g. they won't hire Malaysian Pilots, they won't hire African Pilots or Pilots born in Africa. The medical screening is extremely complicated. The simulator screening is also very tricky and designed to fail a very high percentage. China is very much an individual thing, it works very well for a few but for the vast majority it doesn't work. It is for this reason that wages are pushed so high in China as Airlines compete for the very few Pilots who can make it work. |
1 year and 6 months contracts rescinded, people getting called back to sign 2 year contracts.
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Gulf Air did this kind of thing in the past, getting rid of expats in a frenzy, paying huge compensations in the process. A few months later they started cancelling leave and a couple of months later they started hiring expats again.
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Resignations are reported to be in the region of 130-140..... thats over 20% of the expat flight deck in the last 3 months.
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130-140 pilots ....????!!!! Wow !
Wonder where they'd be headed. I presume these numbers include Egyptians and Malaysians also? |
There is a meeting coming up in RUH compound to address issues with expats, GM F and COO are gona be present. With not many takers for RUH base(amongst locals), they are afraid that there will be a mass exodus. Fact is that they need us.
Especially with their herculean training regime. IMHO expats are here for a while and its going to be hard for them to get rid of them completely. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy_SG
(Post 9971828)
There is a meeting coming up in RUH compound to address issues with expats, GM F and COO are gona be present. With not many takers for RUH base(amongst locals), they are afraid that there will be a mass exodus. Fact is that they need us.
Especially with their herculean training regime. IMHO expats are here for a while and its going to be hard for them to get rid of them completely. |
I recently saw some recruitment that is going on for Air Atlanta 747 SO Jeddah based. So this is primarily for the Saudia operations.
does anyone have some info regarding this SO position? TR bonding, salary, rostering etc? And how is the mood there? I read that a lot of people are leaving saudia, is this the same for Atlanta? |
Read the clauses on contract termination. It can be terminated without cause at any time with four months notice. I was chatting to a GM last night who will be massively affected by the huge crew losses, he was oblivious to the fact that so many had resigned. He was also of the impression that crews would love Riyadh once they moved there, I asked him how many of his staff would resign if they were moved to Riyadh, once he thought of that he changed the subject. With the opening of the new terminal and the planned increase in operations, the loss of 160 mainly Captains plus the annual retirements, next summer looks as if it will be a unmitigated disaster. |
Originally Posted by mutt
(Post 9976101)
That was always there, so nothing has changed in the written form. However the "caring employer" is no more.
I was chatting to a GM last night who will be massively affected by the huge crew losses, he was oblivious to the fact that so many had resigned. He was also of the impression that crews would love Riyadh once they moved there, I asked him how many of his staff would resign if they were moved to Riyadh, once he thought of that he changed the subject. With the opening of the new terminal and the planned increase in operations, the loss of 160 mainly Captains plus the annual retirements, next summer looks as if it will be a unmitigated disaster. |
Originally Posted by VAMY
(Post 9975589)
Don’t be fooled by the two year contract. The two year term means very little.
Read the clauses on contract termination. It can be terminated without cause at any time with four months notice. Consequently, how’s that going to be any different than the six month contract recently offered? Even with the two year term they can have you out of the door with just four months notice. Don’t delude yourselves. Flight Operations have telegraphed their true intentions towards the expat Flight Deck Crew by the “couldn’t care less” approach they’ve recently shown by forcing RUH base without choice and with total disregard, almost contempt, for expat’s family life, schooling obligations for the kids, etc,etc. Well, I say they can go f**k themselves! They deserve what’s coming their way! |
I haven’t seen it myself too. But I was told it is 2 months notice , for all contract renewals.
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Another 30 A320 guys forced based to Riyadh starting 01 Feb...... Will the last person in Jeddah please turn off the lights.
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Whats the seniority (year) of the most senior?
Got it... around seniority 11012xxx |
on another note, the famous faker is seen to be there, 330 Capt....good luck with him
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We all know that you are talking about GBA, but to be fair, he did pass the Saudia 330 training in about 6 weeks which is close to a record.
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Originally Posted by mutt
(Post 10002754)
We all know that you are talking about GBA, but to be fair, he did pass the Saudia 330 training in about 6 weeks which is close to a record.
passing the training make it ok? |
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