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alloha 4th December 2015 22:41

Training
 
50 % of success in training in Saudia is attitude. I know 2-3 people who failed just because of their ego. And I can assure you they are excellent Captains.and I know some others less talented but smart enough to put aside their egos and they had a smooth ride. On the 320 things are a bit more difficult cause lots of the instructors are captains with 4-5 years on the left seat and it's quite hard for a very experience captain to tolerate bad attitude.On the T7 things are more balanced as all of the training department has extensive experience
Hiring on the T7 stops by end of January.

mutt 5th December 2015 04:14

I wouldnt be surprised if they stopped it before then as the training backlog is crazy, plus lots of griping going on out on the line.

polax52 5th December 2015 05:01


Originally Posted by alloha (Post 9201182)
50 % of success in training in Saudia is attitude. I know 2-3 people who failed just because of their ego. And I can assure you they are excellent Captains.and I know some others less talented but smart enough to put aside their egos and they had a smooth ride. On the 320 things are a bit more difficult cause lots of the instructors are captains with 4-5 years on the left seat and it's quite hard for a very experience captain to tolerate bad attitude.On the T7 things are more balanced as all of the training department has extensive experience
Hiring on the T7 stops by end of January.

Let's put that into perspective, it is definitely possible for a good Pilot simply to fail because of ego but then is he a good Pilot if he can't hide his ego? In the modern era, I don't think so.

In my experience however most have failed for very good reason. Examples have been such as basic decision making repetitively poor e.g. making a go-around on a cat 2 due to an engine fire. On the line there have been Captains who simply cannot manually fly from the right seat. Another situation has been that if GACA need to re-check you, that seems to put you on a slippery slope. Any check after that failure you need to be pretty damn good.

captainpluto 6th December 2015 08:40

777 hiring stopped
 
Just got to know from the HR, Saudia has stopped hiring 777 fo's, so then why are they conducting screening's on Dec 16?

polax52 6th December 2015 13:51

The way that I understand it is that they conduct screening generally and not for any specific fleet. I would imagine that F/O's who are accepted will be offered the A330. The A330 will be the expanding fleet.

mutt 6th December 2015 17:18


20 A330-300 Regional and 30 A320ceo planes to its fleet
The A320ceo will replace present leased aircraft, but the A330 fleet will increase from 12 to 32.

As for the B777, I believe that AK74 and AK30 are the last of the present orders and they are due early 2016.

Also 3 high level executives resigned in the last few days which is very unusual for this place as people tend to stay until they are forced out!

ironbutt57 7th December 2015 05:18

et's put that into perspective, it is definitely possible for a good Pilot simply to fail because of ego but then is he a good Pilot if he can't hide his ego? In the modern era, I don't think so.

still very possible and probable...a good "stick" doesn't mean a good fit into company ops.....

polax52 7th December 2015 07:57

At Saudia you need to be a good stick and a good fit.


Or at least be able to act.

Flyboy_SG 7th December 2015 12:20

No more FO interviews.

King on a Wing 7th December 2015 12:32

Got my QR call.
Will let you know how it goes.

alloha 8th December 2015 14:02

787-900
 
The arrival of aircrafts postponed until February. Don't know the reason but it's confirmed.the first of them stopped the test flights in Paine field almost 10 days ago

mutt 10th December 2015 07:35

Story is that they have cancelled at least 4 of the 787's.

argentina21 11th December 2015 15:41

FO interviews stopped?
 
Are they stopping all FO interviews or just for the 777?

Chocks Away 12th December 2015 23:43

Correct Mutt & Alloha.
Wrong engines chosen for 787 & range not long enough for Totonto & CAN etc.
Three Seniour management sackings/forced resignations too it seems, prob in part to this.
A Malaysian breeze starting right now with 450+ arriving ex MAS.
Order for 777x imminent... on top of huge Airbus 320/21/330 order arriving shortly, + 773's & 787s coming. More airframes than the airport or training system can handle.

mutt 13th December 2015 04:36


450+ arriving ex MAS
And where exactly are they going to live?

alloha 14th December 2015 17:41

787
 
@chocks away

Wrong engines?? Ok YYZ is 12h but CAN is roughly 9. What kind of engines did they choose that can not cover a 9h flight? Doesn't make any sense since the company has experience on this kind of things. I heard that GACA still in the process of approval for the EFB as Boeing does not accept manual calculations for the b787.
465 Malaysians?? Well i know for 150 but 465 sounds beyond reality.and housing is only one issue apart from others

mutt 15th December 2015 03:34


Doesn't make any sense since the company has experience on this kind of things
Could it be that the expats who were involved in the previous aircraft assessments/purchases are gone?

alloha 15th December 2015 09:13

Well mutt I don't know if the 787-900 comes with medium range engines or some modifications on the fuel tanks (as the A330) . Even an amateur or an av geek can place the correct order . It's easier than ordering pizza for a family of 5-6 ppl with different tastes :8. I mean how difficult is to tick the appropriate boxes ? Sorry it's hard to buy it:)

Chocks Away 15th December 2015 10:16

Alloha - I don't know. I do know the MAS 777 fleet is being canned and that 460 of them have completed medicals here and being processed.
Housing? Yes lets see :) What's the status of this new Compound to the North of the Airport? Still large areas of empty Units, tucked away (N.E. & NC)
Flight times? London was 7.45 hrs a few days ago so alot longer across the Atlantic over winter.
Possibly they have it (787) targeted for new West Coast USA ports?

mutt 15th December 2015 10:18

The aircraft has at least two engine choices and the options of additional fuel tanks, they initially took the correct configuration but later changed to the smaller engine option and no additional tanks!

With these engines it will be climb limited from Riyadh during the summer, so its like going back to the Classic days.

But now that the House of Donuts is closed, its difficult to get real facts anymore :):)


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