Guys, 4HP got this discussion closed in another thread. Please don't start here. Exchange phonenumbers and start texting eachother, looks like a good idea... (at least you master that spelling)

4HP, if these people go on, couldn't you just ban them? Their a nuisance..

MR8

I got over it man. relax :)

Hi Check Six.

Going back some 5 odd years, I asked you quite a few questions above joining EK and how life was in Dubai. After spending some years in Dubai and EK (we may even have shared the same flight deck) I must thank you for a sober and open minded view in your ansewers. Your description of the place and the job is just and accurate.

Havn`t been on this forum for years, not a lot has change, but I am supprised that you still are living in Dubai and making a living of Emirates( or may be it is the other way around)!

You hopefulls out their can listen to this gentleman and expect to get an honnest opinion.

All the best.

Hello JD. You are welcome anytime my friend.
Yes, still here. I have a few applications in elsewhere. Just trying to get back home and live in a "normal'' place. ;) Our eldest child has 18 more months of school to go. And then, hopefully I can quitely back my bags and leave! Let's see what plans my family have in store for me:ugh:

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it! If you are a sidestick fiddler like me? We probably have flown together.:)

All The Best

Check 'Six'

I sent the EK online application two weeks ago and they called this morning, unfortunately i was out of town, i hope i haven´t lost my chance. At this time i have 9 years as F/O in my company and at least another 6 to upgrade, i think EK will be a good move:ugh:

I wonder why they got back to you so quickly?A good move .........

deteita,

Don't worry - you haven't lost your chance. They'll keep calling and calling until they get hold of you. Just think of it as practice for your later dealings with crew scheduling.:)

Dedeita, if you join EK now, you can expect to remain in the right seat in excess of 7 years, IMHO. So don't join for a quicker upgrade but just for a change of lifestyle/country/aircraft etc, if this suits you better.

thanks all of you for reply... Do you think you can live a decent way with EK F/O salary if you have family(wife and two 1 year old girls). I have read that supermarket and entertainment are very expensive...Do you think EK is an airline to stay until retirement(at 60).:sad:

NO := to both.

Absolutely Not! With current pay and conditions you will find yourself wondering why you came here in the first place? That of course depends on how much you are making now and what your cost of living is?
But here in Dubai on FO salary with two kids? Not good at all!
The salary needs some serious injections, preferably with anabolic steroids! And soon!
Check 'Six'

Salary is an issue, and with the demise of the US$, getting more serious daily depending on your home currency but we need a life. Rostering and FTLs need to be fixed properly with a realistic view to the long term. The fudging and flexing of regulations and the average monthly hours make this kind of life unsustainable no matter how much you're paid.

is ek really that bad?
 

well, let managers and numbers speak:
emergency meeting with the talking horse and tcas, because the total backlog of acceptable pilots in the pipeline is between (two sources) 22 and 40!!
it seems that pilots in other operators are a little more informed and less foolish than ek always presumes:
quote from the cold weather brief : "Don’t be fooled by procedures at other operators." :ugh:

I would have liked to join all of you at EK but i staying at home.. It seems too risky leave my job for just a promise of being upgraded to heavy jet captain in less than 5 years...BTW thanks all of you for reply:{

I totally agree Fatbus with you. Please those of you who do not like it leave and make room for us to join. There are people where ever they go, they will always complain. I see them here in the US all the time and they get paid 3 times more than me and you know what I am even more qualified then them for the job they have. So, please leave now if you do not like EK....as for me I know many pilots that are there and love it... so stop discouraging those of how want to get in.
:yuk:

ERJ145Flyer...

How can you agree with fatbus? I mean, if you're not working here at EK, how can you have a valid opinion about how things work here?

Ok, your colleagues might be better paid then you are. Ever wondered how that's possible? Maybe they have a lot more experience then you? Maybe they made a right choice early in their career? Anyhow, you shouldn't complain about how much other people earn, you should strive to get the same.
And what makes you more qualified then they are? If you were, you would probably in their seat, earning their money.

After this post I have an opinion about you (which might be wrong): You look like a frustrated regional jet flyer, probably bounced of the mainline after Sept 11. You will do anything to fly the big nice shiny jets, even bend over and take it hard (no vaseline provided). Because of your frustration, you can't see the struggle people here at EK have, and thus you can not sympathise with us.
I really hope you will get a job out here as a F/O. You might even prove to me what you're really worth should we end up in a typhoon. middle of the night in Hyderabad, or in a thunderstorm around Addis... But most of all, I wish you won't change your name here on pprune after you join EK (should you have the chance..) It's always funny to see how the wannabees change their mind after about a year in Fantasyland.. And, yes, me too, I'm guilty of that!!

MR8

Do you guys get paid extra over the monthly average?

Yes, I am a frustrated regional jet flyer, and I have been trying to move on to the shiny jets for a very long time.... Is that wrong? You know the industry and the slow down, and sir, I do have the PIC JET time (military and civil) and no, I am not like you put it....bounced of the mainline, never had the chance to get there... you were just lucky to be at the right place when the wheel of time was turning. So, there is no need to use low language, just as you have your opinion, I have mine. Again, yes I did not get there yet, but I know of other people working with EK who are happy. And I do look forward to flying with you in any situation....because you will have the opportunity to really know me, then make your opinion. Finally, if it is so bad, why are you still there, have you applied somewhere else....hmm...Cheers!

I don't have a dog in this fight, however I do have an observation. If you know many pilots at Emirates who love it there, why don't you ask your questions of them, instead of getting into a pissing contest on this public forum.
No I do not work at Emirates, but have been asked twice in the last two months to attend a "selection programme". No where is utopia and the EK F/Os do have some very valid concerns, especially those who have had their upgrades delayed by the DEC folks. I guess going from a Jungle Jet to a triple 7 would seem like utopia. After about 6 months it is just an airplane.

I do not doubt that there may be some issues, and I did not post any questions here. All I said is, in my opinion, for those who do not like it, should quit and go to their respective countries and get the better pay, schedules, life style, etc, etc.... Like someone said earlier, it is not for everybody. And yes, there are happy people there and they have answered my questions. Also, yes this is a public forum, and it is not just a one way forum mister... so I say chap..

is that BM by chance? just a thought...

why they dont leave
 

:{ I have been invited to a selection program also and my EK friends advice me to stay here, they say that is very difficult to quit EK speciality if you dont want to lose cash. I do agree with the rest of the guys that we can´t talk about EK if we dont even work there:ok:

ERJ what is the problem? Have you applied to EK? Have you been invited for an interview? Because you are starting to sound like our friend Captain America! Who has been here for five minutes compared to a lot of us and already he's been in the news papers making the headlines! So by all means have an opinion! But why are you not here? That is the question. Because we are SERIOUSLY DESPERATE for PILOTS and we are no longer very picky either!! :D

Dedeita compadre!! Do not feel bad about your decision not to come here. Companies like EK, EY, QR and GF will always but always be looking for new pilots to join. The question must always be. Is it worth my while to move over to another country as an EXPAT? For YOU and your FAMILY. And if you have a really lousy job back home, then this place will seem like a welcome relief.

Check 'Six':ok:

Dedeita compadre!! Do not feel bad about your decision not to come here. Companies like EK, EY, QR and GF will always but always be looking for new pilots to join. The question must always be. Is it worth my while to move over to another country as an EXPAT? For YOU and your FAMILY. And if you have a really lousy job back home, then this place will seem like a welcome relief.

Check 'Six':ok:[/quote]

actually i have a very good job in my country but i was attracted by the idea of being upgraded to heavy jet captain soon. with the seniority number i have now i will be flying the 777 as captain at least in 15 years, i hope the company still here. i owe you a beer..hasta la vista

Love to fly
 

Why do Pilots love to talk bad about the company's they work for ?:{
If you don't like Emirates leave:ugh: ................................................
I would love to join Emirates:ok:

..A320skybus..

You would love to join EK? Based on what?

Jinglie'd

I wish our friends from overseas, mainly the Americas it would seem, would realise that "if you don't like it leave mantra" is almost completely bollocks..Leaving an expat job to go home , or elsewhere for that matter, is not the same as leaving McDonald's to go and work at Wendy's.

Many ( or most ) of us are unhappy that is without debate. What is up for debate is under what pretext we came here. I for one believed it was the job for me, good money, quick command, company of integrity, etc,etc, well that is the line recruitment was giving 4 years ago, and to be fair I think they were being honest.

The bar stewards have become increasingly greedy since then, the DEC debacle was the first of many things that have had an adverse effect on peoples lives....and all we get from our "management" and our brothers on the outside is ":if you don't like it leave"...Bollucks...

If you leave EK within , lets say 5 years or so you will take a huge financial hit, I am just about the same financial positing now I was in over 3 years ago,,bear in mind that is where I was, not where I would have been if I had not joined, all things being equal. SO quite behind the drag curve . Never mind the expense of doing it all in reverse......

Families get settled, kids enjoy school,, and yes you do get used to having a maid( if you can find a good one ), it's nice to see the sun, although you cant enjoy it, it's so effin hot in the summer, but still nice to see.

So as I hope you opinionated lot can see , please look at the bigger picture, life is a lot more complex than some meaningless sound bite " if you don't like it leave" ....

ps if you lot think it's so good, why aren't you here, as someone said we are so desperate now that you may be in with a shout...:)

No I dont work at EK but in the gulf for 15yrs and a bit...many folks come here with hopes and reams of instant wealth, and a huge disposable income..and very quickly become disillusioned..it's simply not the case..you will need time after settling in, setting up the family before any disposeable income becomes apparent..many become disappointed by "shifting goalposts" at their employer as they seek the most "cost effective" means of meeting their crewing needs...and rightfully so..one accustomed to commands and the like by date of hire and seniority are sure to not be impressed with the system in place at carriers here..I feel fortunate that my carrier has no desire/intent to hire DEC's although it has happened on occasion to fill the seats..it is not common practice...several colleagues have left my carrier and pursued greener pastures...different employers have different frustrations and the like... best find the set that suits you best..from two colleagues who went to the far east...they have encountered a whole different set of headaches over there, and personally I find the the situation here to be most desireable of all..despite the disappointments, the Gulf is by far the easiest expat life going these days...many EK pilots and others vent their frustrations here on Pprune, and so be it..we all have them..welcome to expat aviation...nowhere is perfect and if one finds it unbearable then best look after your sanity and that of your family and do the right thing...just think of taxes back home...at least the money you shell out to live here is toward yourself and your family...who gets the tax money you pay elsewhere???

and to the regional jet pilots and others...remember big shiny jets take you farther away from home on longer sectors across many time zones and subsequently destroy and likeness of circadian rythm you might have enjoyed at your regional job..so bear in mind when the big jet "honeymoon" is over...give it 3 months tops...you may find yourself sharing the same sentiments being voiced by others on this forum...careful what you wish for...you might get it...at the end of the day we fly airplanes so we can have a life...

Sir, well spoken, I am humbled and accept my apology, also the previous fellow. I do not mean to attack or upset anybody here. I guess I am also venting off too, because I have been in this profesion so long also, and had my share of disappointments.

So, to sum it up, I am a pilot's guy, and any pilot who has put in his dues in this industry deserves the best treatment, respect, compensation and benefits....chin up. Thank you:ok:

I think many of us have been in this profession a while. Many of us have suffered disappointment, distress and delayed or shattered dreams. I went to flight school with a young guy, who on his return to the UK could not gain employment as a pilot. Mired in debt, his dream shattered (in his mind), he killed himself.
I have friends in the US who are far brighter, more intelligent and far better aviators than I shall ever be, who through no fault of there own, find themselves furloughed, downgraded, income decimated etc.etc.
I also know a few folks who couldn't fly there way out of a paper bag who earn a great deal more than I do and work less. Does it bother me? I guess in a way it does. Then again I go to work do the best job I can, enjoy the guy/gals I fly with and go home. Am I looking for something better? Sure!! Is Emirates it, I do not know. I have spoken to many on this board who graciously have taken the time to answer my questions. I think Captain America has done a great disservice to the US pilots who work and are interested in going to work at Emirates, by painting a picture of utopia.

Reckon that Capt America fellow y'all have:} down there is very proficient at the "hind-lick" manuever

About leaving , it seems Korean may steal up to 70 captains from EK in the next 12 months on proper commuting jobs with higher salary.

Still may get commands back to 3 years............

:ok: Rumor of the Day Award :ok: What a sizzler! Good on ya! 4HP

Seems also that despite TCASs statements to the contrary, the pilot pool is all but dried up with crew shortages due to bite hard Jan/Feb next year. Pilot resignations continue with more due as courses are accepted elsewhere...

New aircraft arriving and TC/AAR still no nearer getting their licences sorted out, there will be some expensive hardware lying around very soon.