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Fogrunner 24th November 2006 03:39


Originally Posted by ruserious (Post 2981776)
Actually I heard from a reliable source that the number was 20, what it means AFAIK, is that there is only that number of suitably qualified candidates available for interview, among the thousands of applicants waiting to get in. Ho Hum, we'll just have to drop our standards even more. Just dying to see what spin management put on that one :\

There are only 20 suitable applicants. The following requirements are posted on the emirates website:


A minimum of 4000 hours total flying time.
A minimum of 2000 hours multi-crew, multi-engined jet aircraft experience.
ICAO ATPL.
English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension).
Experience commensurate with age.
Type rated would be advantageous.
I have also heard Emirates prefers time in a/c over 55 tonnes. That cannot be a hard and fast requirement as they have been interviewing RJ pilots recently.
I find this hard to believe. What about all the pilots in S. America, India and the former Eastern Block countries, who are flying everything from Boeings to the Airbus.
I have been contacted twice by Emirates in the last two months to attend the selection programme. I have been on an MD11 course for the last six weeks so I have not been able to attend. I guess I am one of the 20. I still find it hard to believe that there are only 20 suitable applicants. Continental Airlines have 18000 qualified applicants on file. Their starting salary is $27000 with no benefits for six months.

Vorsicht 24th November 2006 03:55

A trainer colleague who attended a recent training meeting said that The Talking Horse addressed the meeting and was fairly candid with regard to recruiting, stating that there is about 2000 on file of which around 300 are suitable for interview. Current success rates are around 1 in 6, leaving around 50 potential recruits.

I cannot vouch for these numbers as i only got them second hand, but they sound a bit more realistic than only 20 guys available for interview.

V

Fogrunner 24th November 2006 03:59


Originally Posted by Vorsicht (Post 2983161)
A trainer colleague who attended a recent training meeting said that The Talking Horse addressed the meeting and was fairly candid with regard to recruiting, stating that there is about 2000 on file of which around 300 are suitable for interview. Current success rates are around 1 in 6, leaving around 50 potential recruits.

I cannot vouch for these numbers as i only got them second hand, but they sound a bit more realistic than only 20 guys available for interview.

V

Yes that sounds more realistic. Wow only 1 in 6 getting through, those are not great odds. Any particular reason as to the high rejection rate?

ruserious 24th November 2006 04:05

You may be right Vorsicht, however there is a strong possibility that Mr Ed is being economical with the facts. I guess like all things at starfleet command, we will never know the truth

ernestkgann 24th November 2006 04:06

Deemed not suitable by the psychs, apparently they are quite happy to live in the desert.

critical winge 24th November 2006 05:57

To the EK chiefs reading this, Im glad you all know what you are doing for Xmas. How about just for once this year you work on YOUR DAY OFF at the W/E and get the bloody rosters posted, its ludicrous!! := :ugh: :* :(

BIKKERDENNAH 24th November 2006 06:39

CAPT K

Couldnt agree with your comments more!! that is exactly the way it is in Dubai and it will not change.

HOWEVER for every flight that is not crewed from lack of pilots we should NOT be jumping in to SAVE the day now for any REASON! i am sick of doing it then sand being kicked in my face the following year:ugh:

The company is becoming CHEAP and NASTY. And the ONLY way somebody up in the higher tiers, can see that AEROPLANES do not FLY themselves!! Is to not fly when you have been rostered NOT to fly. And the pilot professionals that fly them are NOT disposable items that really dont need too much rest after a 10 day pattern or are able to do a basket full of SIM duties because they have been lashed to death and have done 900 hours in 10months!! OR for the many other reasons that have been mentioned many times on these forums!:uhoh:

So will the continued slide in TCs change,probably not in my lifetime here,BUT what will make them stand up and notice is AEROPLANES NOT FLYING!!!! not 3 pilots a month leaving,or 20 pilots going sick,AEROPLANES NOT FLYING!! As a thought ever thought about the fact every time somebody is called on a day off to go to work and has only had 8 days off that month NOW 7 for a lousy 400dhs what management thinks of that!! WELL how about YOU SEE TCAS THESE LAZY CHEAP PILOTS,ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING TIRED AND NOT ENOUGH TIME OFF ONE PHONE CALL AND THEY ACCEPT 400DHS THESE CHEAP PILOTS,HOW EASY!! SO WHY WE NEED MORE PILOTS,WHY THEY NOT LIKE DUBAI WHY THEY NEED MORE TIME OFF!!:cool:

Yes we are mercenaries but NOT cheap hookers.

BUT ANOTHER MANS MEAT IS ANOTHER MANS POISON! Which is probably the managements MANTRA ! We at EK dont need to divide and conquer anybody we ensure we have such a diverse group of nationalities and previous airline experience,those that needed to come and those that thought it would be a better place and company than their previous HEALTHY airline. And the odd few that came from good airlines but need to top up their post 55 pension.So the airline is not divided it is FRAGMENTED, a managers wet dream!!

So is there any hope, NO. UNLESS PLANES DO NOT FLY!!!:=

Yes BUT you might say what about profit share! I say WHAT ABOUT IT.

Check 'Six' 24th November 2006 06:50

Exactly. Very well said! And that is why I prefer to say NO. And prefer to spend my days off at home with my family than the cheap tips on offer by this cheap skate outfit!!

Every year has been the same story with this lot for the last thirteen!! Crisis management,cheap pay and tactics!!

Enough!

Check Six:cool:

Gillegan 24th November 2006 12:59


Originally Posted by ruserious (Post 2983169)
You may be right Vorsicht, however there is a strong possibility that Mr Ed is being economical with the facts. I guess like all things at starfleet command, we will never know the truth

Starfleet Command - that's great. I hope it sticks. Regarding the 20/40/300 rumour - As I heard it, as of about a month ago, 45 applicants who met the qualifications and who had yet to be interviewed were left in the "pool". Overall success rate of about 50% (the 1 in 6 may be referring to DEC applicants) thus the 20 figure. It's all rumour anyway but the fact is that the well is drying up due to various reasons, one of which is that most pilots out there are well aware of the egregious overreaching by the company regarding pilot productivity. (Has anyone in management ever admitted that factoring was a mistake?)

As the crewing gets tighter, I would expect the atmosphere to get nastier. Rumours of revised sick time policy, extension of the annual limit as well as the fact of less access to call out pay screams that the screws are being put to the Flight Ops Managers. The entire management structure at Emirates is designed to tie the hands of middle managers regarding real solutions to problems. This airline is ruled from the very top. If flights begin to go uncrewed in any substantial way, I would expect to see some fairly public examples being made before anyone actually tries to solve the problems by tackling the root causes. In short, I believe that it will get much worse before it gets any better (I hope that I'm wrong).

Is anyone really surprised by the atmosphere right now? Part of what we are seeing happens every year about this time. We start hearing the ominous warnings of "no profit share" followed by a mad dash of knee jerk cost cutting to impove the short term figures and damn the long term consequences. Remember it was about this time when we took our paycuts (I'm sorry, "cost neutral pay adjustment") due to the changes in pay and credit calculation. I check my company email with dread wondering "what have they done now".

ruserious 24th November 2006 13:29


Has anyone in management ever admitted that factoring was a mistake?
Should that not be Has anyone in management ever admitted any mistake?

Antman 25th November 2006 07:34

Got this from a movie
"It is near impossible to get a man to see the problem, when that mans salary
depends on the problem":ugh:

Sounds about right!!!!

Alan Squeely 4th December 2006 02:37

Truth and Reality Disconnect
 
Interesting that Mister Ed claims publicly that recruitment is running smoothly, and yet, in a closed door meeting states that recruitment is down 50% and the company is concerned! Hmmm...a little liberal with the truth to preserve entitlements (the EK upper managment mantra...tell me what I want to hear and no bad news).

This might be why the other name that Mister Ed is known by is now Lyin' Long Range Eddy!

:cool:


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