Popay,
You must be a desperate chap realy hungry since your unemployment from your previous company. When you grow up and hit the real world you might mature and realize the thruth about airline flying. In the mean time enjoy your new found great airline job and keep passing on the great optimism to the others around you... Hey if you suck up enough (and not too many brown spots on your face) you might even become the new VPFO and boy want that be great!!!
Happy Holidays

Popay,
You must be a desperate chap realy hungry since your unemployment from your previous company.
--------Well grey daddy, I have to disappoint you I haven’t been unemployed despite the bankruptcy of my previous airline and I am not desperate to work. I would rather spend my time with my family, but flying, but I have to be consequent. Nothing is for free and I have to work hard for my money. I wish the others would be the same. That’s my attitude.
When you grow up and hit the real world you might mature and realize the thruth about airline flying.
-------Thanks for the advice, but I have been in the airline business for more then 10 years now and not only as a pilot. I think almost 6000 BH Jet on the airliner is mature enough to create my own opinion.
In the mean time enjoy your new found great airline job and keep passing on the great optimism to the others around you... Hey if you suck up enough (and not too many brown spots on your face) you might even become the new VPFO and boy want that be great!!!
-------I hope not.
Happy Holidays

That’s exactly what I am talking about, homesick ray. Although you are permanently hanging in that forum you are avoiding telling your story to everybody. You didn’t face us with facts.
It looks to like another bla bla……
Sorry body but that's a fact.

Victor, prover e- mail, PM. S Novym Godom i Rojdestvom!

Popay,

My story has been told in all it's glory many moons ago on here.
Try the search button.
And what are you having a go at me for in response to the last post which was from someone else!! LOL!

This is not the place to name names, but there is a cast of many who have been in the same boat.

The thread is about QR Limits and I have merely told of an incident whereupon the crew operated illegally, the operating captain did not stand up for us (he is still with QR) and we were told it was "special dispensation from DCAM"

I have mentioned my continued dissatisfaction about QR's management tactics and will continue to do so.

If the "search" button does not help you then ask around at QR and take your pick, you never know you might come up with the right person!;)

Now can we get back on track with the thread?

Cheers

HR

ya ne ponimayoo po rooski!

Popay, Viktor or whoever you are,

Let me stop you in your tracks RIGHT NOW before you continue to make a fool of yourself.................

You have had a little bit to much Kool-aid to drink and it is time for you to get off the soap box and stop with all the Horaay Horaay Qatar Airways talk Son, you will not get a position in Training, management, or be a senior 3 stripe f/o any sooner by spoutting off like that. Also you are not going to get any more coffee from the cabin crew if you keep it up.!!!!!... ( I just hope they don't mix up your coffee with mine??. Actually I am a Tea drinker. :D )


Son you have a very long way to go in aviation ( not sure how old you are) but 10 years is only just starting. I think I have probally forgotten and changed my point of view on more than you have ever even learnt in this field of Aviation.

You see son I have seen, smelt,tasted,felt and heard all this before. Please don't come into Qatar Airways and flex those muscles of yours and make yourself an idiot my friend. We have seen your picture on your web site and it is clear that a strong breeze will blow you over.

Also, Please don't keep Quoting over and over again what people say, you are making the reading long for all of us and we are not little kids that need you to keep remining us what someone said in the post just prior to your ignorant answer.

To sum it all up in some words, you seem to be a keen "LITTLE BOY" who is wet behind the ears in a new company and is making all kinds of "BIG BOLD" remarks about things you have not even experienced as yet.


Good luck in your career son, you are off to a good start.


HM
:ok:

Hajj Man hits the nail right on the head - again.

Homesick - hope you are ok.

Popay - back off a little bit mate, and good luck with your career.


Bye
Aviaco

Once again Hajj Man comes in to effectively put paid to this 'popay idiocy'.

Popay decided to hijack this thread for his own self-aggrandisement and even try to tell us and management who he is. (I, for one, do not want to know who is whom on this Forum. If it was intended that way, we would all be using our own names.)

This airline DOES change the rules to suit itself. It DOES change sign on/sign off times in order to make the cabin crew work against their wishes and against the rules. The cabin crew cannot argue. If they do, their life becomes cr@p, at worst.

Additionally, the fact that QR operate to the LIMITS of the FTL's means that there will always be pressure on crew to give that extra little bit, that, under other authorities, would result in the loss of a crew licence or an AOC.

QR's argument is that it is short of crew. Well, their are several ways around this but the PD seems reluctant to implement them.

One of which would be to treat employees like members of the human race and not as slave labour. For example, the word is that some 20 of the recent batch of Australian cabin crew recruited recently, resigned almost as soon as they got here. The snake's comments on this? "They must have recruited the wrong type of person."

From what I know of Australians, recruit ANY of them and then tell them 'do this, do that, or you're fired', they'd tell you where to get off!

The PD is so proud that we are the fastest expanding airline in the world that he has lost track of where we are with crewing, engineering, parking spots, lack of terminal capacity, etc. He is used to being told that he can do anything by the syncophantic staff who might have been ok for a small outfit, but have no idea where they are in a REAL airline.

QR could be great. And I would love to be here to see it. However, people like our friend popeye, who thinks he's helping by sucking, are much more counter-productive than those who are prepared to speak out to change things and help make this airline a real airline.

Happy New Year to ALL.

Hajj Man: Nice one!

Aviaco: I'm fine and still enjoying aviation, all the best to you!

Knotaloud: like Hajj Man you are spot on!

Popay: I rest my case
***********

The Snake's comments are so typical! Take a look into his past and you will see the true person.

Even if you prove him wrong, as I did a couple of times, he will deny it and still give you grief. The man enjoys character assassination and takes pride in destroying people's lives/ careers and ensuring he gets brown nose points for doing so.

At the end of the day he is just a puppet and his turn will come soon I am sure.
****************
Was at meetings in LGW very recently and the vibe around there about AAB is not good. He has already created an impression...the wrong one!


Cheers

HR

You mean AAB created the wrong impression amongst the LGW community?

Hmmmm. There's a surprise. Won't be long before CO kick them out either. Not doing themselves any favours.

Hajj Man, well body, I instantly hope you will be able to say all of this right in my face if you see me, cause you know me now, but I don't know you. I will respect you at least for that, otherwise just another bla... bla…big mouth daddy.
Cause, guys like you, are always talking behind some ones back smiling in to your face and xxxxxxxxxxx you behind your back. I am not after any position in here, but I am making the best out this company. And let me get it straight Daddy, what a xxxxxx are you doing here if this is all so bad?

One more thing I have to say to you, I only respect someone I am speaking to, if I know who I am speaking to. And all those useless nicknames are just to cover up your own ass, just in case. You know now who you are dealing with. I expect the same from you. That’s the only reason I have inserted my web page. That’s all.

The same is valid for knotaloud.

P.S. And now for all of you guys out there looking for the job wherever: There are a lot of idiots out there including this place, but having chance to read this topic, you had the chance to speak to someone, you could identify as currently employed by QR, with the name and position and not to some mysterious shadows, smelling it all and blowing the breeze. This is always going to be like this, no matter where you go. Do you self a favour, guys, if you want to get a real picture come and see it your self.

Inappropriate language edited. 4HP

popay
 

good one and tells it all. If u don't like go somewhere else if you don't like it.

tic

Popay

Whilst I truly admire your bravery in so doing, your decision to publish your private www link on this forum only serves to display your freshness and naivety when it comes to the current and past community that surrounds Qatar Airways, headed up by the great man himself.

I am sure that it will come to no surprise to you that everyone in QR Towers (from the ground floor, all the way up to the 9th) will have read your posts. Fact.

Some people will agree with you. Some will disagree. Most, however, will agree with me when I say that I feel sorry for you, that you have made a fatal blunder in publicly posting your tirade of sycophancy from your elevated soapbox. Contrary to what you may actually think, AAB and the Fleet Managers will NOT like nor appreciate your posts and your overly public comments. All that you are doing, my friend, is riling your colleagues - past and present - and those with whom you currently share the office space with at the sharp end of an Airbus.

Your enthusiasm for your job (regardless of your age and seniority) is commendable. However, your posts, which have degenerated into bitter slanging as they have progressed down the page, are doing NOTHING at all to support your case. You are only exposing yourself as juvenile.

Friendly advice - tone it down a bit. Stop upsetting others. Maintain enthusiasm for your job. And listen to the likes of Hajj Man and Homesick Rae, as they DO actually have a little bit more experience of the Oryx Ensemble than you give them credit for.

And finally - have a great New Year. Wishing you all the best!!

AVIACO thanks for the advise. Happy new year to you too.
I don’t think they have read it in the tower, but even if they have, so what? Why are you all making such a big deal out of this? I only say what I think and what I mean. I don’t expect to take any benefit out of this. That would be naive.
Well, my post has got exactly to the level, some people only understand. I have tried to stick purely to facts, but there were no such and there will be no such. I don’t have any case and thanks, no need to support me or my “case”.
I will say it one more time, this is not about me or them or the tower or what’s or ever. This is purely about the truth. If somebody accuses the others, who ever that might be; that needs a proof, I am sure you will agree on that. I have not seen or heard any of this. All, the guys, said before might be true or not. Jesus Christ, just proof it and tell the facts. They don’t have to fear anything since they are anonymously acting, or not even with the company any more.
One thing I can’t stand is if people are spitting in the pot they are eating from.
It doesn’t matter whether the company is good or bad, you are employed by that company, so respect your self that much not to present it as an evil for the outsiders. And if you do so be a man enough to stand straight for you words. Otherwise it sounds like “I became a prostitute because they have enforced me to do this, but I like the pay check at the end of the month”.
Nobody has ever enforced anybody to come here and sacrifice them self just for an idea “How to make QR a better place”. Its apparently good enough for the guys, who are staying here for years.
All of us came here to have a secured job and get a bunch of cash by the end of the month and so on….. I don’t get the point of staying here if you just hate it. Oh let me guess why, because they need money.
If someone got upset because I didn’t follow the trend, I don’t care. You can always change something, if you want to, even if it’s done by your resignation.
I am prepared and will respect and share the cockpit with everybody, willing to do so the same way with me. I don’t have to like or not to like someone to be able to fly with, it’s my job.

And finally - have a great New Year. Wishing you all the best!!

POPAY

JUST ANOTHER ''DADDY'' HERE,DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND GET YOUR WEB SITE OFF THE AIR.YOU CANT IMAGINE THE DAMAGE IT COULD DO TOO YOU AND YOUR FUTURE BOTH HERE AND ABROAD.

PS. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE EXPRESSION

'' DADDY KNOWS BEST''

goldstar ok I did. Tell me what did it change?

Popay

You seem to be missing the point entirely. I can say nothing more in your defence. Sorry. But, you really should stop this. Believe me, QR Towers ARE reading this and you are DAMAGING YOUR JOB SECURITY by continuing this. QR is an airline like no other. AAB is a boss like no other. Don't be lulled into a false sense of security, as this can all change at the drop of a hat!

As stated by Goldstar, "DADDY KNOWS BEST". You ignore this at your peril.


Good luck to you Sir. All the best.

AO

Ok I will. Enough excitement for this year, see you next year. and thanks for your defence AVIACO. I hope the daddies are not going to get too much exited, is no good for the hard you know.
Despite the cold breeze, happy New Year to all of you. See you on line or in the sim. Oops, I did it again, sorry daddies. That’s going to be exiting though.

All corrected as per wish.

Ups I did it again???? You mean "Oops", I did it again!!

Oh dear, and after all that, you've just admitted to being a Britney fan too..................................:bored:


Happy New Year.

Aviaco,

Ha Ha...a case of Hit Me Daddy One More Time methinks!

When will they ever learn...perhaps the hard way?

Happy New Year to you and yours and indeed to all the hardworking QR crew!

Cheers

HR

Happy new year and seasons greetings to all you guys...

Lets hope next year at QR passes as swiftly as the previous one...surely but slowly I do have the feeling we are getting there...

Another thing, I hope this "popay" hype stops here. I was getting a too strong " don quichote" like feeling here and an innocent soul was going to get hirt...

Well done guys...

Hope to see you all up there where we think we belong...

Popay,

How are you? I can tell by your tone of typing that you also seem to be a very angree person? I see that 4holerpoler had to edit your last hit at me son for inappropriate language? Anyhow no harm done and no hard feelings to you because I was once young and just would fly off and screem and shout ......

Let me see if I can take a minute or two of my day off to tell you a few things............

Son, I am not talking behind your back and need you to take a few deep breaths and think of what you write before you do so. Unlike you, I can give a true meaning of what it is like to live and work in Qatar without having to "check my 6" to see if anyone is going to analize my post or response. You on the other hand have something to loose now if you ever say one negative thing about Qatar. You can check my history of post replies and see that I am very acurate with life and how things are done here at QR. I don't write about things I don't know and if I do I am the first to investigate it and get the true story. I "hit the nail on the head" as some people have said in the past and I am just trying to paint a true picture of what life and working for QR is like for those who are maybe thinking of coming here to work. I never say to them DON'T COME I just put the good and bad facts all on the table and let someone decide for themselves what they want to do. I don't lead someone on and I don't discourage either. I say things as they happen and tell the good with the bad. You have no idea about me and hopefully you will not. For all you know we might of flown together already or might have to fly in January?............. Please rest assure I will treat you as a professioal and do so at all times during the flight.

You say you only published your www page so people know who they are delaling with? well no one cares who you are, they just want the truth............... GOT IT???????

Happy new year and just do yourself a favor and keep a low profile. for your own sake son.

May Allah bless you and your entire family for the year 2005.

Hey Hajj Man, I am fine thanks. Now we are talking equally and not like you are stopping me or teaching me. That’s, what I call conversation. I respect everybody’s opinion regardless whether I like it or not. This is a basic principal of democracy, called freedom. Another principal is self-defence, you have attacked and I have fought back. Anyhow no harm done and no hard feelings to you either. My opinions might be not popular, but this it haw it is and I don’t expect anybody to understand or join me either, but I expect someone, talking to me, to respect them.
I think you still didn’t get my point. Although it’s quite arrogant from you to say I am trapped now, without knowing my personnel financial situation, yes you right I have something to lose and it’s my dignity. That’s why I never stopped saying the truth and stick to my principals and will do so. I have joined this airline, because I believe in its future (I had couple other choices) and hope I will be able to make a good career here.
Nothing against facts and hit the nail on the head, because it’s productive, if it’s done in correct way and can be proved.
I absolutely can’t smell personal offence and arrogance and dilatants, not having appropriate education, professional experience and not been even approximately in the same position somewhere in the management, but taking them the right to judge about others, only because they have been sacked. (homesick ray).
And there are always two sides of the medal. So the question is who is right and who is wrong? The answer is hidden in the motive of behaviour. I think the motive of those, been sacked, is personal revenge and instead of thinking what could I have done better, they always blame others.
You are here, what is your motive? The answer to this question will give the others the chance to understand your statements better and decide whether they should listen to you or not. Its like to buy shares, if the company wants me to buy there shares; they have to publish all the information including internal info to give chance for an objective decision.
You are saying I don’t need this job; it’s another adventure for me, so that reflects in different attitude, from people, for whom, it’s a career chance. So you have promoted you self as an independent journalist broadcasting the truth about QR, but remember there are always different views on everything. And every opinion is always influenced by person, so always be careful about how your statement could influence the others.

There are people joining the company from all over the world including South America. I don’t think somebody would risk his existence and brake up back home, bring his kids here just to join an “unserious” company. It’s a long term run for the majority associated with adequate financial plans.
Unlike you, others, including me, are up to have a good career and be a loyal employer.
If you just think about it for a second seriously unlike a pilot, this company has done an incredible development and will keep doing so and this couldn’t have been done without a proper management. Unlike the others I only judge the management, as far as I can, for its performance. I just don’t believe the government would invest billions of dollars making plans for future of the whole nation and at the same time put somebody in to the leading position, without assuring, this one is the right person. I, personally, think it’s a bit above our level to judge about the ability of our management, unless you are directly involved in this process, which we are not. We drive the bus from A to B.
By the way, I didn’t know we had a hierarchy, giving you the right to express your self.
So, for the future if you want to communicate with me, you are welcome, but only if you do it, respecting me. I have graduated and don’t need a teacher.
I wish everybody all the best and once more, listen one more time to your self and think one more time about you and what you can do to improve our all working environment.
Remember it’s always the people them self, who are responsible for all the things happening in there life.
Thanks for the greetings.
I wish you all the best.
May the god bless you and your family.

:ok:

Hajj Man: Very well put.

Popay also does not seem to realise that people such as myself, BKK Layover, Aviaco etc have or have had more than just a few months experience at QR.

We are not speaking out of turn here. We are speaking from years of experience, both at QR and elsewhere. Some of us have seen the old QR and witnessed the changes, some of them good, that the PD has brought to the airline.

However, that does not detract from the fact that the man has no Man Management skills and is a tyrant and a dictator who has ruined and does ruin people's lives. He is of course ably assisted by the Snake, an individual who actually wrote a superb assessment on me in the old days, but always remained jealous of the fact that I had one year's more experience than him, oh and that I had worked for EK!!

Yet, he too is a two faced, coniving person who back stabs and will do anything to get rid of the people whom he sees as a threat, as well as any member of cabin crew who makes the tiniest mistake or has a genuine grievance or concern about something.

As Cabin Crew we used to believe that the Flight Deck were exempt from the PDs shennanigans, but nope...far from it!

Popay, we know these people, you do not!

Take Hajj Man's advice and wind your neck in. You will fair better in the long run!

Once again Happy New Year to all the hardworking crew at QR. May 2005 bring about the changes that you deserve and a good future.

Cheers

HR

Hey, homesick ray.
Happy new year to you too. Thanks for the advice. Let me interpret it: you suggest me to shut up and not to try to become a potential threat. I am not a threat to anybody, because I just do my job and as long as do it well, I won’t be one. I am neither in the position of changing anything here, nor do I have the authority to do so and like I said before, I not supposed to. My position is clearly defined and I will stick to my contract.
If I see any improvement potential, but the matter is out of my range, I can only suggest like any other people and its then up to the responsible person to decide. I think this is the way it should go, because it clearly define the decision making process and reflects the hierarchies and much more important prevents people from internal power fights.
This on the other side ends up in a productive work stile and a clearly defined corporate culture, allowing having nice black figures at the end of the successful year.
It’s a complex matter, but I think you have to able to adapt and more important to be a team member.
And please don’t think I am a naïve boy, not understanding what I am doing, who never smelled the powder of power fights. I did couple of times and I saw people get sacked for a simple reason, they didn’t adapt to the new situation.
It’s not about the work any more it’s about politics and power.
Let me tell you also, that every time a new leader takes over the control, he sets up his rules and builds his team in order to realize his vision. Usual way to do so is, by bringing in people he, first of all, trusts. You know it better then me, you have been with EK. Certain groups are trying to pull there own people to increase there influence.
You are not the only one, who has lost the fight. There are many others everywhere in the world. You think its only happening here, far away, body.
By the time my ex company back in Europe was well off, the major shareholder has decided to bring in one of the most recognized LH managers, to improve the company position in the global competition, as we have been told. We have been presented a very promising perspective with growing market shares, fleet increment and of course a better carrier chances.
And guess what, the first think he has done, was he brought 12 permanent members of his own team. People, who are always following him everywhere, specialists in all the important departments. By bringing them in he completely disabled the current management and took over the power just in one day. We were all very impressed, because people hated own management of course and everybody said: Jesus, that man is our leader, he means it really seriously. The end of the story was absolutely unexpected and not even mentioned once, stop of operation. Very well organized killing of a potential threat on the market, all the airplanes have been brought to home base and none of them left next morning, so the owner could immediately pull them out. The owner by the way was the bank, which has financed 30% of LH fleet. We became too dangerous for LH and they took there chance. Only after all this happened everybody stared to realize, this man was a very well organized professional killer manager and he has done job brilliantly.
The conclusion of the story is: stay away from the politics and just do your job as good as you can, otherwise you will be sacked and if you challenge someone make sure you win.
I will stick to what I have.
That would be my advice to you, if I may make one.
The time will prove who is right and who is wrong. If I am going to get sacked for no reason, like you say, I will believe you, but I don’t think so.
Happy New Year to you once again.

Christ Popay, that was a bit long winded!!

You have lost me completely!

Why would I think you to be a threat. You are far from being a threat, but you may be jeopardising your own position by posting on here and moreso the tone of your posts. I am not the only one to mention that.

My advice was "wind your neck in"...in other words just keep a low profile. It works sometimes...but not always in QR!

Jeez, and I am totally amazed that you know so much about me!? Wow, hey, I'd better watch out eh? LOL

Peculiar though considering you are new to QR and I left the fold some time back.

But hey, post away and enjoy revelling in the thought that you know all about the people you work with, work for and ex QR crew, resigned, sacked, jumped ship or otherwise.

Sorry, your advice to me is stick to what I have? Oh, I will, believe me! Or was it to make sure if I challenge someone that I win? Well, thanks for your concern, and I will bear that in mind for the future...might use that one on my staff actually...mmm...yes good one that.

Popay, none of us are judging anyone, we are just saying that we know a bit more than you as far as QR is concerned because we have been there longer...that is all.

Try and have a happy new year. I know that I will!

spokoyni nochi

Cheers

HR

PS: Oh, my current CEO treats everyone humanely and equally. He is tough but fair, but a pleasure to work for. I report directly to him and attend meetings with him. He does not interfere with the Managers doing their job, nor the cabin crew or the ground staff. He simply smiles and says good morning and means it. He is very much aware of the FTLs and ensures that these are adhered to. In the area where we fly there is a lot of WX so there are often delays. I sincerely hope that QR have finally got a grip on the "Limits."

guys guys stop this now. just ignore his posts and let this post end....... cant get in to an argument with a small child. sure yell at me and say its democracy and i should mind my own business.
hajj man has been fantastic every time and lets not even try to belittle him.
happy flying guys

Well, once more. Of course I am no threat to you. According to your version I am endangering my position because of expressing my self on this forum. As a consequence I am going to be sacked by "unfair" management and will join the team of innocent victims. That’s why I have said to you: don’t worry about me, take care of you self.
The time will prove it who is right and who is wrong.
One more thing I still don’t get. Why do you still care so much about QR, if you are so happy now? Can’t you just forget us and enjoy your perfect life. I would do it if I was you. I would follow the advice of great protector of democracy willfly380 and just ignore everything about QR.

Results as follow:
one homesick ray not with QR any more on the war trip to get satisfaction by discrediting the management for personal reasons.

Credibility-NIL.

Couple of daddies, still with us, promoted them self to an independent voice of staff, of course without our authorisation, but in this case all the principals of law can just be skipped, trying to implement censure on the public opinion. Smells a bit like dictatorship.

Credibility-poor.

That’s how the public opinion is created here

Internal affairs should be discussed on the internal server with restricted access with clear identification of the participator. This ensures solving of the problems and proper representing of the company.

I think the decision for those who consider coming here will be much clearer now.
Cheers.

Willfly 380:

Yes, you are correct and Popay is now on my ignore list. I have had enough of his inane ramblings and tomorrow is another year! Happy New Year to you!

Popay, unfortunately I live in a country that I'd rather not, so it is not quite perfect, but as we head into another year, the most important thing is my family. The fact that I have a good job also helps. In answer to your question as to why I care so much: I have family at QR! Simple as that!!

Hajjman: thank you for your excellent posts and I sincerely hope you succeed in getting through to people like Popay. I am off this one. Happy New Year to you!

A300 Man/BKK Layover/Aviaco/Strength/ Mutt: All the best for 2005!

4HP: Happy New Year to you and thank you for keeping tabs on things!

First New Year's resolution: let Popay's rambling reach other eyes and ears not mine!! LOL

Cheers everyone.

HR

I believe that is right for this month as they say.

However what is amazing that there is hardly any sick reports , I do not know if they like the flying or the money?

Cheers

Anything goes at QR...
 

I've actually had an 8hr turnaround at manilla and was exhausted so this statement is true, lucky for you if you had more time to rest.

CRM is dreadful, some Captains are still insisting on females to "serve" them, there is still hitler styles of behaviour from a few captains enforcing the fear factor throughout the airlines cabin crew...there are,however, some very polite,kind guys there too.

Speaking of polite, i'll now mention the opposite: Saliya the snake! I heard that Neomal was fired some time ago - did the snake have something to do with it?

Also heard that a certain female had left QR, came back and had only 3 days training. Of course, it helps if you're in with the snake. MR. AAB watch this space!!!

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