Al-Khobar Killings
 

My thoughts and prayers go to the family and friends of the people killed in AlKhobar this morning. :(


Mutt.

It sure starts to look that time to leave has arrived...
Blues

Personal view is that the Bush Blair team should leave the political stage

The so called war on terror is not working and for the common man on the ground this is the true reality of what their policy generates.

Engineer,

Why do you say that? To leave more room to those barbaric guys to legitimate terror and finally recognize Al Queda as a winner?
:mad: :mad:

Engineer,

It has nothing to do with UK policy, a German national working for Saudi Arabian Airlines was gunned down in Riyadh last week. These terrorists want to destabilize the country, they dont ask for passports before they kill people. :(


Mutt.

Terroism doesnt choose who to kill, they choose what makes political leaders tick. Obviously its working, but at the death of innocent workers.. I would admitt, all govts are the same. They want power and they are playing with fire at the moment..

You may think things are bad now. Give in (capitulate) to terroism and things will be 10 times as bad, believe me.

Well in the first Gulf War my friend (from Greece who was living in Kuwait City) had his home invaded by Iraqi's. But was not killed because he produced a passport saying he was Greek. These are terrorists they work differently. They take no hostages and show no mercy and I don't think the US or UK should either. Why follow the Geneva convention when your enemy isn't even part of it!

Because we are better than them..........

Mad Dog,
We are of course better than them but sometimes that isn't enough.

These people are extremists and maybe the only way to beat them is to be more extreme than them, clearly us playing by the rules and hoping that we will prevail isn't working.
Personally I've found that allowing people to preach hatred against the nation that gave them sanctuary, as happens in London, utterly ridiculous. I don't care about all the lefties who bang on about free speech, these people and any who support them should be locked up.............

:*

Mutt,

What's the mood like around Saudia City at the moment? Is everyone gearing up to leave, or do expats still feel relatively safe in Jeddah?

I never cease to be amazed by the ignorance of people to the situation in the Middle East - but all feel free to give their expert knowledge on how to deal with it.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, the current policy of the Bush administration is doing more to support recruitment and de stabalise the region than Al Queda could ever have hoped for.

The American's and Britis fought a fine war but the politicians appeared to have no game plan as to what they would do afterwards.

Until the Americans get to grips with the real problems in the Middle East and stop pandering to the Israeli Lobby then little will change.

Ask yourself just how desperate you would have to be to strap explosives to your chest and blow yourself apart? I do not condone it or claim to understand why they do it, but it does make me ask the question why??

As for the Geneva convention, it is not clear to me that EITHER side are sticking to it............

Anyway, enough of my inane ramblings, i've only been here 12 years, what do I know.

Not good for Saudi, since 60% of those working in the oil industry there are foreign.

Only a matter of time...
 

The problems in Saudi have been festering since they day it was conceived, and if you know your history books you will know who installed Ibn Saud and the House of Saud as we know it know today. For those who don't know its worth reading up on as a lot of the anti Western sentiment that exists today was a result of the manipulation by the Brits and the US of the politics in this region, and importantly the nuts and bolts of Osama Bin Laden's grievences.

Know before anyone bleats that I am sympathising with the militants, think again I am merely providing some background to the current crisis. The way Osama and his thugs have dealt with the problems are of course disproportionate.

The Saudi attacks have been going on in one form or another for decades, not always on such a scale and certainly not always against western interests, but certainly the opression that the Saudi Government has placed on their society has at times come back and bitten them on butts.

The militants are now using the current crisis in the Middle East and its global implications, to maximise the effectiveness of their campaign and this recent tradgedy will not be the end of it.

:(

Can these attacks appear in other gulf countries in the future?

I mean Dubai,Qatar,Bahrein

Anywhere, anytime, anyplace
 

As the world found out, the arm of terrorism can reach anywhere in the world at anytime.

There are travel warnings and expat resident warnings active for all of the Middle East countries issued by most western embassies, the most recent from Oz specific to UAE. Sometimes they are a kneejerk to a particular event, but often they are based on information provided by the relevent government INTEL gathering mechanisms or by government sponsored global security groups.

It always pays to be a little careful and keep a low profile regardless of where you are in the Middle East at the moment.

:ooh:

desert_knight

Read your post with interest. However as US President GW put it and I quote "you are either with us or against us". When you come down off the fence, which side will you come down on?

Forget about rules. There are no rules in war, when an enemy will not ware a uniform. They should be treated as spies, pure and simple.

Well UAE has already declared that it is against what these terrorists are doing because it is against the islamic teachings. Truth is many terrorists sought by the US were originally from the UAE. So in my opinion UAE should be the safest city in the world (don't know if it is or not) I heard Bin Laden was in Dubai a while ago or is he still hiding in cave 23?:)

Bugg Smasher,

Enjoying a long vacation, havent seen the place in six weeks. But i certainly do not believe that people are running from Jeddah.

SV City, like many of the compounds in Jeddah are protected by armed military. I'm therefore surprised that this wasnt the case in Khobar.

Unfortunately the American killed by related to a colleague :(


MD11Flyer,

Thought that the US were looking for Saudi nationals, not UAE nationals.

Mutt.

Unfortunately this simple statement strikes right at the heart of the "sit on the fence" mentality that makes up the foundation of society, politics and economics of the entire Middle East.

Well I remember a few times where the US were looking for terrorists from Egypt, Saudi, Syria and UAE

What about Qatar?

:uhoh:

Never heard of any people being sought from Qatar or Bahrain

If its a choice between sitting on the same side of the fence as George W, and sitting on the other side with the terrorists, I would have no choice but to sit on the fence. Both sides of the fence are distasteful. I am never one to blame the people of a country for the policy of ones government, but I am constantly astounded that Americans still think you can defeat terror by engaging in state sponsored terror, or supporting implicitly state sponsored terror (ie. Israel). There is outcry at a terrorist attack on an Expat compound in Saudi (and rightly so), but where is the outcry from those same people when a raid on a Palestinian town, "accidentally" kills women and children, while seeking out "terrorists". Oh sorry that is considered to be "collateral damage".

AT LEAST THERE IS A"oups sorry, mistake we will investigate that mistake"
instead of dancing and singing around mutilated body....and appealing for more carnage... :confused:
are you guys blinds????????:(

The Guaridian,Friday May 21 2004,page 17:

War on terror-Lies about crimes

"....when Iraqis are blown apart in Baghdad by a car bomb or Israelis in Haifa by a suicide bomber these are instantly and correctly labelled as terrorist attacks.However when American helicopters or Israeli tanks cause death to innocent civillians on a similar case,there is always an alternative version on offer."


"...at least in this week's pronouncement by Rabbi Dov Lior,head of the council of rabbis in the occupied territories.This spiritual leader,quoted in Ha'aretz,has declared that Israeli lives are more precious than Palestinian ones.The Jewish faith ,he says allows killin 'allegedly innocent civilians ' in battle."


Anyone can check it.I am living in an East European country where to say the same ,I can get the cause of "anti-semitism" as our great Prime Minister (KGB agent 20 years ago) signed the U.S. supporting letter together with 7 other government ,before the Iraqi war.

And yes,I know you get bored,but I have got an offer from Qatar Airways,but I am afraid to accept it as I don't know if these attacks might be happen there in the future.I have to resign from my job to go to QR and I am very desperate about the coming years in the Gulf Area.

The key factor to the so called terrorism is the palestinian conflict for more than 50 years.As all of You,I also dont want to be a victim of unjustified occupation that is NOT my interest.The small nations (including mine) has experience about the given word of the "Free World". :yuk:

No last time I checked I was not "blinds" or any other variety of window covering. :hmm:

Yes, there was a full and comprehensive investigation when the unarmed protester dressed in a fleurescent orange vest to identify him as such, was shot by an Israeli army sniper and killed in the West Bank. The Israeli armed forces did an internal investigation and found that the protestor was seen to be armed and a threat, when all eye witnesses said he was in fact running out unarmed to try and save a child from the gun fire.

Terrorism is never right, whether the orders are signed by Osama Bin Laden, George W Bush, or Ariel Sharon.

Just trying to remember who trained Osama and quite a few of his cronies....ummm oh that's right I remember now! and weren't the Taliban the good guys at one stage and didn't the US support Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war....well I'm a little lost!

:ugh:

Mutt

Yes I know about the German in the drive by shooting week last Saturday as well the the raid that resulted in the death of three people in Northern Riyadh. It is because of these incidents that I find myself unable to walk in the streets there.

You said that they did not ask for passports but in Al Khobar they asked if you were arab and muslim. This was confirmed by checking the Iqamas of each person and making them recite a surah from the Qur'an. That is very selective.

Wonder if GWB or TB will remember these names in the next move in the war on Terror

Lawrence Gregory
Pradeep Kumar
Jain Jose
Clephen Carlos
Andhra Pradesh
Joe Fernandez
Suresh Kumar
Tola Ram all Indian

Chandana Pradeep Anthony Sri Lankan

Magnuss Johanssson Swede

Felician Dizon
Joel Guiray
Mariano Cabasag all Filipino

Michael Hamilton British

or the 10 year old Egyptian boy along with an Italian, South African an American another Sri Lankan plus the 3 Saudis.

Sure these two guys will stand up in their respective seat of government and send out sympathy to the families of the above then get right back to business

Such crocodile tears but the above deaths can all ways be attributed to that eloquent phase Collateral Damage.

Yeah ! They will remember those names !!! And all those 3000 other names that were in the World Trade Center. You guys are talking a lot about Palestine conflict, why don't you talk about the Arab militia's doing in Sudan !
:suspect:

HE SLAM

Quite right. OBL and his cronies started this war on 9/11.

If war is what they want, war is what they are getting. Keep it up GW and TB.

My belief is that we are going about this wrong. Look back at the japs in WWII, the suicide Kamakazi. Look what stopped them! these people are not afraid to die, they look foreward to it! Things that they treasure mut be threatened. We could start with all the holy sites. The first to go would be the large mosque in Jerusalem, then maybe the Kaaba in Mecca, then one by one until certain criminals were turned in, and all this BS stopped, systematic elimination of all holy sites. Not one soul need die.

Well this isn't a holy war, although the idiots think so. Why eliminate all the holy sites? You think non terrorists are gonna let you just take away their place to pray... that would start a holy war for sure. People have every right to pray to their God and build whatever they want. Its not the building that is causing this... its the minds of a few individuals who have lost some screws over the years. Many of them taught to hate from birth.... If anything, we should sterolize those doing so, preventing them from infesting the world with more idiots.

ijp


Yeah what a great idea!Go there and destroy the whole islam culture!

You are very soft my friend.Drop the nukes down ,destroy all the muslim cities one by one!

Death to all who dont want to live according to the standards of the "Free World"!

:yuk:

You should be an adviser for GWB as well as Sharon ,the job is open for You or even the next President in the US.

Nice,new world!Everything started,they hit back.

It is not a surprise,if any other country comes to my land,destroying my house,killing my family,yes it would be not so hard to teach me to hate from heart and the purpose of my remaining live is to take as manyas possible with me.

Apart from your opinion(hope if you are pilot ,there is some mental test)no excuse for this massacre ,for burning the house of the french family as well as that is happening in Israel for 40 years.
"Weighting on double way" should be cancel in our mind.
Why I am not surprised that no one opened a forum about the last week israeli operations in the "occupied territories"?

Could start with a few world leaders first. If you start at the top it is easy for the water to flow down rather than up

ijp
 

ijp,

Sorry, but you're a Big Zero in my books for saying something so arrogant and naive. :yuk:

Not much more that I can say about your position. Have a great day cowboy.

ijp,
People like you are for no good. Please, think again before you write more stupid things.
Ali

Not one person need die using my method! None! I must have struck a nerve! Maybe with the threat that I suggested, people will be encouraged to turn over these savage militants, and make others think twice before commiting these outragous acts. If they don't want the "holy" sights destroyed, simple, do not commit acts of terrior. How much easier can it be.
All these middle eastern arguements, someone always brings up Isreal. People must face the fact that 56 years ago the land was taken and it is gone forever. Tell me, please, of any land on this planet that wasn't taken from someone else. The policy that I suggested is not new it was used with success by the Romans, and many others since. Incidently, do you know what county contributes more money than anyone else to palestine?
It is costing a fortune, in money and human life to protect the innocent from these people. There is a profile and we should use it. When has an American housewife or English businessman or a German stockbroker ever hijacked an airplane. Your arguement that the innocent should not pay is understood, so why are we in the west having to pay for the barbarian conduct of the middle east. Another solution might be to keep anyone of middle eastern origin off of airplanes, and out of the skys, end of problem! And certainly out of civilized nations. As for the oil, use the multi national force to secure the oilfields for the benefit of industrial nations.
I bet this message gets some attention.

Well what do u expect from a Yankee... "I'm AMERICAN I'm AMERICAN F*** the arabs!" Even though most Americans don't even know who their president is.

So what country produced Timothy McVeigh?


I seem to remember a couple of guys riding around with a sniper rifle shooting people from the boot of their car recently. Where was that? Washington?

There were plenty of Germans involved in an organisation called the 'stasi'. Fairly terrorfying.

I assume you are talking about Israel, here?

I suspect, however, that you really aren't a moron, just a troll.