Maximilian Buerger?
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/aviation...ls/experience/
If you want a laugh. He entered aviation in 2019 , and now speaks confidently about the supply,demand and remuneration of all pilots in the MER. No proper pay rise chaps, max says! |
So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.
How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it! Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So that’s more money in the coffers. Speaks volumes having all this cash they can’t pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. It’s an uncomfortable subject , so let’s pretend to forget ! It has not been forgotten! somebody in EK ought to address this asap |
Originally Posted by Pif Paf
(Post 11288731)
So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.
How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it! Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So that’s more money in the coffers. Speaks volumes having all this cash they can’t pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. It’s an uncomfortable subject , so let’s pretend to forget ! It has not been forgotten! somebody in EK ought to address this asap remember 1bil$ RR engine deal just 3 weeks before announcement of profit share which was already delayed by 2 month - outcome 0 for the employees |
Yes it’s indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions aren’t even defending the company these days
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11289970)
Yes it’s indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions aren’t even defending the company these days
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There have been hints
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot
(Post 11290333)
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Not my fight but, just for accuracy, Nimrod (one word as in nimrodjoe) means 'Mighty Hunter.'
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nimrod |
Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot
(Post 11290333)
Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back |
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:
Trust = Loyalty. No Trust = No Loyalty. So don't be surprised when your employees quit. |
Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 11290593)
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:
Trust = Loyalty. No Trust = No Loyalty. So don't be surprised when your employees quit. |
Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 11290593)
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:
Trust = Loyalty. No Trust = No Loyalty. So don't be surprised when your employees quit. I didn’t realize we have 1st April again |
Maybe I am wrong but unfortunately as pilots we have to realise that we are not as valuable a commodity as we might like to think. The beancounters and management know this and will continue to use this fact to their full advantage for as long as they can. The industry has changed radically and aircraft are far safer and do not fall out of the sky so easily anymore. Thirty plus years ago it would have been a very different story, but nowadays it is actually a lot harder to end up a statistic and we have seen that many times over the years. As pilots we see the near accidents and incidents and wonder in awe why management aren't shaken into action, but they know full well that the chances of a hull loss are very rare and when it does happen the public will forget about it in a few days. Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it.
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The management might think that , but I don’t think the passengers do. I think passengers want the old hairy Sully type with safe hands, not the dewy eyed teenager with more time on Instagram than the flight deck. They are more willing to fly low cost with low experience but expect experience when they pay the EK prices and believe the EK shiny hype.
Shame the public doesn’t realise….maybe they should ;) |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11290543)
Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back
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Everything a ok
Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely it’s just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.
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Anybody would think a recessions on its way…
just got to make sure where you end up is indeed more secure |
Originally Posted by Eric Hartman
(Post 11291360)
Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely it’s just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.
Rearranging the deck chairs with premium Economy now. Is there actually anywhere people can move though, as all the PPRUNE senior members of the establishment keep saying... there's no world outside emirates, there's nothing else, its ek or nothing. where are all these guys going? is there actually a big wide world outside the UAE? sounds scary. It would be nice day to think that one day I could live somewhere where I can drink the tap water. |
Originally Posted by Red Hackle
(Post 11290705)
Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it..
Many years ago, at one of the pilots meetings, we were told that EKs insurance premiums had dropped. EK was very happy! They also explained why. Airlines have insurance, in some respects similar to car insurance.so aircraft age, number of aircraft, route structure, accident record, safety record, maintenance, hours flown etc all count towards premiums. Also a major factor is pilots ages and experience levels. Too many young, inexperienced pilots mean the premiums go up. So while senior experienced captains may cost some money in reality they need a proportion of the flight crew to be older and more experienced to balance out the number of young, inexperienced Pilots coming through, in order to keep the insurance companies happy! Also it makes passengers a bit happier knowing there’s some experience on the flight deck? (plus someone needs to make sure the young, I’ve been flying commercially for 2 years, I therefore know it all, facebook wonder, instagram pasting, Porsche/ Bentley / Ferrari driving (delete as necessary ), I think it’s normal to fly in fully reclined position with feet up because it’s cool, mobile phone hugging, I’m a sky god type actually remembers he’s got to do a job whilst on flight deck) 😀 |
Originally Posted by Pif Paf
(Post 11292812)
yes they don’t like paying for older experienced pilots but they need us, why?
Many years ago, at one of the pilots meetings, we were told that EKs insurance premiums had dropped. EK was very happy! They also explained why. Airlines have insurance, in some respects similar to car insurance.so aircraft age, number of aircraft, route structure, accident record, safety record, maintenance, hours flown etc all count towards premiums. Also a major factor is pilots ages and experience levels. Too many young, inexperienced pilots mean the premiums go up. So while senior experienced captains may cost some money in reality they need a proportion of the flight crew to be older and more experienced to balance out the number of young, inexperienced Pilots coming through, in order to keep the insurance companies happy! Also it makes passengers a bit happier knowing there’s some experience on the flight deck? (plus someone needs to make sure the young, I’ve been flying commercially for 2 years, I therefore know it all, facebook wonder, instagram pasting, Porsche/ Bentley / Ferrari driving (delete as necessary ), I think it’s normal to fly in fully reclined position with feet up because it’s cool, mobile phone hugging, I’m a sky god type actually remembers he’s got to do a job whilst on flight deck) 😀 A new Thai girlfriend the same age as their daughter, a new account on tinder with a username like SmoothOperator, big speeches with the crew half their age about going out for ramen and a beer down route and they will buy the first drink (they usually don't turn up) , taking selfies on the steps at the end of the flight doing peace signs closing an eye and sticking a tongue out, giving relationship advice to the new GR2 for an hour in the galley armed with a fairly recently acquired complexed knowledge of star sign compatibility, out on ladies nights at ramusake bopping their head, tapping their foot to the beat and holding a desperado with a lime in it, a new car with a price tag of a small mortgage and a roof that comes off and an apple sticker on it, posts on Instagram of their protein shakes with cheeky captions like 'never skip leg day', walking around airports with an extremely small cup of branded coffee, flying over the pole in their dressing gown and slippers alongside a sizeable collection of the first class amenity kit, a semi-professional origami attempt on their cap, a glove left in the bunk for us because they are now young and trendy. |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11292906)
Plenty of older hands who have decided to reinvent themselves in EK after another failed marriage.
A new Thai girlfriend the same age as their daughter, a new account on tinder with a username like SmoothOperator, big speeches with the crew half their age about going out for ramen and a beer down route and they will buy the first drink (they usually don't turn up) , taking selfies on the steps at the end of the flight doing peace signs closing an eye and sticking a tongue out, giving relationship advice to the new GR2 for an hour in the galley armed with a fairly recently acquired complexed knowledge of star sign compatibility, out on ladies nights at ramusake bopping their head, tapping their foot to the beat and holding a desperado with a lime in it, a new car with a price tag of a small mortgage and a roof that comes off and an apple sticker on it, posts on Instagram of their protein shakes with cheeky captions like 'never skip leg day', walking around airports with an extremely small cup of branded coffee, flying over the pole in their dressing gown and slippers alongside a sizeable collection of the first class amenity kit, a semi-professional origami attempt on their cap, a glove left in the bunk for us because they are now young and trendy. |
Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11291503)
Anybody would think a recessions on its way…
just got to make sure where you end up is indeed more secure |
Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 11292986)
After the shambolic way in which the company handled the COVID redundancy process, the bar has been set rather low for what constitutes a more secure position.
no they didn’t . |
Originally Posted by svp
(Post 11292941)
star, i have registered here to to agree with you LOL
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns
(Post 11293265)
Honestly, sounds pretty awesome!
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seek help
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Dropp
Stop taking the forum and yourself so seriously. Learn some Aussie humility (that’s an oxymoron. Ironic)
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EK only gave 4 percent when inflations creeping up to 10 but this is a one off. Next year they are anticipating above inflation pay rises they say.
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Originally Posted by McToryMug
(Post 11295472)
EK only gave 4 percent when inflations creeping up to 10 but this is a one off. Next year they are anticipating above inflation pay rises they say.
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People should be happy with 4 percent. that's a good pay rise compared to many places and the extra few dirhams will go a long way.
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Mike with those sentiments you could possibly be the DCPB from Germany!
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Originally Posted by Pif Paf
(Post 11298091)
Mike with those sentiments you could possibly be the DCPB from Germany!
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pilots with highest paid jobs here, yet they complain about a pay rise or not good salary.
where else would you get this much anyway? no where in Europe or us would you get this much |
Wouldn't take much cash to impress that East German. Stasinomics! :E
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 11298235)
Wouldn't take much cash to impress that East German. Stasinomics! :E
It turned out.. very expandable like most DCPB's. What's that word again..? Karma. In Sha'a Allah. There is an irish bulldog now doing the dirty work. Has learnt from the best it seems. |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11297312)
People should be happy with 4 percent. that's a good pay rise compared to many places and the extra few dirhams will go a long way.
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Originally Posted by svp
(Post 11298230)
pilots with highest paid jobs here, yet they complain about a pay rise or not good salary.
where else would you get this much anyway? no where in Europe or us would you get this much US - have a closer look what they pay now |
Originally Posted by svp
(Post 11298230)
pilots with highest paid jobs here, yet they complain about a pay rise or not good salary.
where else would you get this much anyway? no where in Europe or us would you get this much |
Originally Posted by Pif Paf
(Post 11292812)
yes they don’t like paying for older experienced pilots but they need us, why?
Many years ago, at one of the pilots meetings, we were told that EKs insurance premiums had dropped. EK was very happy! They also explained why. Airlines have insurance, in some respects similar to car insurance.so aircraft age, number of aircraft, route structure, accident record, safety record, maintenance, hours flown etc all count towards premiums. Also a major factor is pilots ages and experience levels. Too many young, inexperienced pilots mean the premiums go up. So while senior experienced captains may cost some money in reality they need a proportion of the flight crew to be older and more experienced to balance out the number of young, inexperienced Pilots coming through, in order to keep the insurance companies happy! Also it makes passengers a bit happier knowing there’s some experience on the flight deck? (plus someone needs to make sure the young, I’ve been flying commercially for 2 years, I therefore know it all, facebook wonder, instagram pasting, Porsche/ Bentley / Ferrari driving (delete as necessary ), I think it’s normal to fly in fully reclined position with feet up because it’s cool, mobile phone hugging, I’m a sky god type actually remembers he’s got to do a job whilst on flight deck) 😀 I wonder if you truly believe what you just wrote. Pilot age or experience has nothing to do with safety records these days. And it is a shame if any insurance company still uses that as a criteria. Most of recent accidents (the shameful ones at least) happened only with experienced and eventually aged pilots. Even with more than 2 pilots on the flight deck. How qualified those pilots are, and how skilled, is what really matters. And that - as a standard - you won't find from A330s crashing into the ocean to 777s stalling over the sea wall or even after retracting the L/G over the runway. (I do agree with your description of what we can call "tik tok generation", however). |
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