Rumour has it that the education allowance and housing allowance will be returned to previous levels or maybe better, but in terms of basic salary increase it's anyone's guess....
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Originally Posted by WB Driver
(Post 11257205)
Rumour has it that the education allowance and housing allowance will be returned to previous levels or maybe better, but in terms of basic salary increase it's anyone's guess....
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Various email have been dispensed promising “a basic salary increase” and the potential of “allowance and benefit enhancements” at EK but we are well into July and we wait patiently to see what these increases may be. The importance of this particular salary review cannot be overstated.
The UAE Inflation rate in April was already 4.6% and climbing, with Transport up 28.8% and Food up 8.6%. The Government has already announced a social welfare program for Emiratis to apply for an “Inflation Allowance” from September. This, to my mind, indicates that they expect inflation to be high and remain so for some time. They are smart enough to prepare for this. Other countries are going to see the wrath of their populations and try to blame it on any convenient scapegoat, play the old game of media distraction, while political parties tout socialism to populations baying for communistic ideas. Back here, I doubt any salary and benefit increases will aggregate to more than 5%. I hope I am wrong. However, much less than 10% will almost assure a continuing downward remuneration spiral, in real terms. Nothing new here, but I think the downward slope is going to be particularly steep and the reality of this has not really set in. The majority of employees here were either not born or too young to remember the inflation of the late 70s and early 80s. It ran at over 10% for a few years. Right now the dawning inflation provokes exclamation indignation and frustration. However, what is coming is uncertainty, desperation, and finally despair. The reality just has not hit home yet as there have been 40 years of a relatively benign economic background and tame inflation for most, and they have not actually felt the effects of sustained rampant inflation with a rapidly lagging take-home packet. Right now it is in the abstract. In two years it will be a painful reality. While the UAE, admirably, protects its citizens better than most Western Governments, there is no social security net here to dampen the effects for any ex-pat. Nor should there be. We can come and go as we please. I look forward to any increase but, unless substantiative, it will bring no real relief. In a year’s time, we will all be peddling much harder to pay the bills while watching pensions and most asset classes depreciate rapidly in real terms. The future will look black and a career in aviation will seem a pointless endeavor for survival, let alone retirement. Central Banks have had the printing presses running overtime for years and then with full afterburner for an overhyped pandemic. Most of this went to the already rich, through a myriad of mechanisms, mostly involving some form of corruption. Some got paid to the working class to do nothing while remaining “safe” at home. But now we are all about to pay for what is likely to prove the biggest economic blunder in history. “By a continuing process of inflation, Governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.” – John Maynard Keynes (Economist) |
Contract Adjustment Letters are out.
Looks like a piddly four percent rise! Looks like just a step up the ladder rather than an increase in Basic! That’s going to work well then🙄 |
Step (3%) + 1%
increase housing allowance (which means nothing to all those forced back into company accommodation) Totally underwhelmed! |
Originally Posted by Pif Paf
Step (3%) + 1%
A 1% rise when inflation is rampant in the UAE👎🏻 |
Originally Posted by White Knight
(Post 11265686)
That would be it…
A 1% rise when inflation is rampant in the UAE👎🏻 Something you say a lot White Kite…. If you don’t like it leave !!! |
Makes sense now why they didn’t want to tell us in advance!!
So if pilots got 3% step +1% it will be Interesting to see if this is what everyone got or whether other grades / departments got anything different? |
To me, this is a clear sign they want people with seniority to leave and they want to attract new joiners by increasing living out allowance.
They will attract plenty… What a slap in the face also to all the ones who were renting until last year and had to rejoin MH within short notice…. Pretty evil… Another happy day in sandy LaLaland! |
Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11265816)
Something you say a lot White Kite…. If you don’t like it leave !!!
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So the minuscule pay rise has come and gone and we are all notably underwhelmed!
By my reckoning I’m still owed 2 months salary by Emirates. We got the “out of the blue” payment of 1 months salary in January which covered 2 months of the 6 months on half pay. However no explanation was given about the payment, why we were getting it or what it covered! So EK have still not covered the other 4 months of half pay ie 2 months salary. are they hoping we will forget? Is it legal under UAE law to just pay someone half salary and not pay it back later when you have the funds available? it speaks volumes about Emirates and how Emirates employees are valued when paying back reduced salaries has such a low priority? |
Originally Posted by Pif Paf
(Post 11271643)
So the minuscule pay rise has come and gone and we are all notably underwhelmed!
By my reckoning I’m still owed 2 months salary by Emirates. We got the “out of the blue” payment of 1 months salary in January which covered 2 months of the 6 months on half pay. However no explanation was given about the payment, why we were getting it or what it covered! So EK have still not covered the other 4 months of half pay ie 2 months salary. are they hoping we will forget? Is it legal under UAE law to just pay someone half salary and not pay it back later when you have the funds available? it speaks volumes about Emirates and how Emirates employees are valued when paying back reduced salaries has such a low priority? Doesn't matter how many bars or stars you have on your epaulettes , you are a foreign migrant worker and will do as you are told! |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11271657)
You are always just a minion here
Doesn't matter how many bars or stars you have on your epaulettes , you are a foreign migrant worker and will do as you are told! However it seems at the sistercompany across the same stakeholder handled it quite nicely. Qmk. |
Got 2 questions for someone at EK now:
1) what’s the law now regarding living with your girlfriend? If I took company accommodation, would it be an issue with front door security etc? 2) with the new accommodation allowance of 15500 AED, can a guy with his girlfriend get something decent in the Marina including bills etc for example and still have some left over? Thanks :ok: |
Originally Posted by iFunFlyer
(Post 11272760)
Got 2 questions for someone at EK now:
1) what’s the law now regarding living with your girlfriend? If I took company accommodation, would it be an issue with front door security etc? 2) with the new accommodation allowance of 15500 AED, can a guy with his girlfriend get something decent in the Marina including bills etc for example and still have some left over? Thanks :ok: look for RERA rent index calculator also for the current laws regarding rent and ownership Don get trapped by the prices you see to get a place as the rent index will tell what the price will be for the following year. for e.g. the price is 100k Aed per year and the rent index says your 50k below the average index, your price hike to the following year will be min 20% increase. In other words the closer you are to the index in the first place the less the change will be in the following years and makes a more stable rent agreement. there had been many cases where rent hike after the first year forced people the relocate after just one year. landlords often set a very low price in the beginning to fill the apartment and increase in the following year to get closer to the index. comparing offered price with the index is essential to predict future changes. that’s why it’s important to have look into the current laws on the RERA website |
I have been told that pay with never keep up with inflation yet inflation is set to go nuts.
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Originally Posted by McToryMug
(Post 11273079)
I have been told that pay with never keep up with inflation yet inflation is set to go nuts.
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Originally Posted by McToryMug
(Post 11273079)
I have been told that pay with never keep up with inflation yet inflation is set to go nuts.
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Originally Posted by McToryMug
(Post 11273079)
I have been told that pay with never keep up with inflation yet inflation is set to go nuts.
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Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11273285)
Pilots are leaving Emirates in droves, many not paying their 'rejoining bond' and some without giving the 3 months notice.
Interesting article from an EK pilot who spoke out in BUSINESS INSIDER recently. |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11273285)
Pilots are leaving Emirates in droves, many not paying their 'rejoining bond' and some without giving the 3 months notice.
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
(Post 11273225)
To be fair - that problem is not specific to Emirates
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Originally Posted by Fairey Seal
(Post 11273379)
Totally untrue. Who are these pilots that are leaving in droves? Where are they going? Ryanair I suppose.
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11273468)
South Africa and Australia , lots of great opportunities for pilots there
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DEC assessments will start in the next few weeks, mass exodus of pilots meanwhile recruitment team going around the world scamming people to join and worth until they literally become worthless due health concerns. Glad people are voting with their feet and leaving Emirates
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11273468)
South Africa and Australia , lots of great opportunities for pilots there
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11273466)
Kenny banging the company drum still I see !
Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre. I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases. |
Originally Posted by WrldWide
(Post 11273554)
Wtf are you talking about? What opportunities in ZA? If this was sarcasm, disregard.
When can those of us forced to live amongst those miserable trainers we have had in the sim expect to be allowed to break free in to the rest of the world ?? |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 11273610)
He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.
Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre. I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases. I personally just don't like being told by children like you that 'Emirates is alright because everywhere else is really bad too' when you haven't flown a sector past Istanbul and have certainly never done 1000 plus hours a year long haul. |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11271657)
You are always just a minion here
Doesn't matter how many bars or stars you have on your epaulettes , you are a foreign migrant worker and will do as you are told! You are exactly as Mike says. Dubai can never ever be your home. |
Originally Posted by Mike Koal
(Post 11273830)
Here he is again, Dr. Doom
I personally just don't like being told by children like you that 'Emirates is alright because everywhere else is really bad too' when you haven't flown a sector past Istanbul and have certainly never done 1000 plus hours a year long haul. |
Originally Posted by Kennytheking
(Post 11273867)
Ok, then I'll tell it to you - and I have flown a sector past Istanbul and I have done close to 1 000 hours a year long haul.
The floor is yours Kenny… |
Originally Posted by Kennytheking
(Post 11273867)
Ok, then I'll tell it to you - and I have flown a sector past Istanbul and I have done close to 1 000 hours a year long haul.
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What you got for us Kenny...
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this’ll be good
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 11273610)
He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.
Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre. I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases. And inflation won't effect Dubai? A country that imports the vast bulk of its products? |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 11273610)
He has a point though. Inflation set to hit 15% in the UK. BA? They had a pay cut. Virgin same. RYR still not back to pre covid. Jet2 the only one who gave 8%. Look at the other threads on this site. Many unhappy guys/gals everywhere.
Recession from October 2022-end of 2023. Certainly in the UK it’s going to be very very painful. Anyone not on a fixed rate mortgage for at least the next 2 years it could be game over. Utilities are about to go up 75% again. Not just here either. Mate in Australia has been there 12 years and never seen anything like it. Every week prices going up on basic goods. Biggest squeeze for a generation coming left right and centre. I know some of you are not liking EK or Dubai but man the UK is brutal right now. Nearly £2 a litre on fuel. £150 a month on gas and electric living in a flat. If you’re in a 3/4 bed house you looking at £300 a month. EU land not much better from guys/gals at other bases. It does surprise me then that you would wish to move to Dubai where your family’s long term financial security is in the hands of a couple of managers in ek. Please don’t assume that these people have any ethics or morality. If you do choose that this is the right time to give up a uk contract under western law plus some Union representation for the rest of your career , then I wish you all the best. Extra reading please see 2008 recession in dubai please see handling of Covid pandemic in emirates |
Originally Posted by Rhodes13
(Post 11274464)
Pay cut at Virgin? News to the guys there then. Yes they had pay cuts during the COVID pandemic but they've just agreed a pay rise in the new pay deal and were back at full pay last year.
And inflation won't effect Dubai? A country that imports the vast bulk of its products? Of course it will effect Dubai. It’s the whole world. I’m just stating facts and giving advice. Wouldn’t you want to know rather than jumping back to the UK then finding out. Plus for the financial planning. Obviously UK license required as well. Just be prepared if moving to UK it’s not a bed of roses at present. Jet2 probably the best. Unless you’re under 30 then BA. |
Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
(Post 11274545)
Sounds like project fear. You talk about the economy in almost apocalyptic terms over the next 18 months.
It does surprise me then that you would wish to move to Dubai where your family’s long term financial security is in the hands of a couple of managers in ek. Please don’t assume that these people have any ethics or morality. If you do choose that this is the right time to give up a uk contract under western law plus some Union representation for the rest of your career , then I wish you all the best. Extra reading please see 2008 recession in dubai please see handling of Covid pandemic in emirates Yes Dubai recession of 2008 was really bad. Again UK wasn’t a bed of roses. Don’t remember BA getting rid of anyone then but Virgin certainly did. I was working in the city at the time and saw hundreds of people made redundant, divorces, families lost houses plus some guys who just couldn’t cope. |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 11274674)
Well I spoke to my mate who is back at Virgin now after being laid off and he said they had a pay cut with negotiations on going. This was couple months ago. Unless you talking about Virgin Australia? Think they had pay rise but don’t know anyone there.
Of course it will effect Dubai. It’s the whole world. I’m just stating facts and giving advice. Wouldn’t you want to know rather than jumping back to the UK then finding out. Plus for the financial planning. Obviously UK license required as well. Just be prepared if moving to UK it’s not a bed of roses at present. Jet2 probably the best. Unless you’re under 30 then BA. You then advocate moving to an airline and a country where you literally have next to no rights or recourse should you be wronged, whilst simultaneously saying that the sky is falling. Given how EK literally treated people less than a year and a half ago I really don't see what you're trying to achieve? If it is so good why haven't you moved there? By the way having done EK for nearly a decade it wasn't all the bed of roses either that you seem to like to portray from your fleeting holiday visits to the place. |
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