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nimrodjoe 29th Aug 2022 20:56

Maximilian Buerger?


PPRuNeUser0216 30th Aug 2022 06:47

https://www.linkedin.com/in/aviation...ls/experience/

If you want a laugh. He entered aviation in 2019 , and now speaks confidently about the supply,demand and remuneration of all pilots in the MER.

No proper pay rise chaps, max says!

Pif Paf 1st Sep 2022 05:34

So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.

How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it!

Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So that’s more money in the coffers.

Speaks volumes having all this cash they can’t pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. It’s an uncomfortable subject , so let’s pretend to forget !

It has not been forgotten!

somebody in EK ought to address this asap

flyTheBigFatLady 2nd Sep 2022 15:21


Originally Posted by Pif Paf (Post 11288731)
So EK is making money. Lots! High load factor, higher prices plus cargo limited by crews, cargo prices up, more contracts than cargo management can actually accept.

How am I sure? Well apart from the normal chats and rumours, EK always tries to use up some of the excess cash before end of year therefore not having to pay out the profit share. So what did they do this time - $1 billion cabin refit! You all saw it!

Also EK has just been able to get hold of the $85 million held in Nigeria. So that’s more money in the coffers.

Speaks volumes having all this cash they can’t pay us back the remaining 4 months of half pay they owe us out of the 6 ! Also more notably nobody seems to address the issue in the fleet updates. It’s an uncomfortable subject , so let’s pretend to forget !

It has not been forgotten!

somebody in EK ought to address this asap

STC & HH always did that
remember 1bil$ RR engine deal just 3 weeks before announcement of profit share which was already delayed by 2 month - outcome 0 for the employees

nimrodjoe 3rd Sep 2022 06:54

Yes it’s indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions aren’t even defending the company these days

Kennytheking 3rd Sep 2022 11:12


Originally Posted by nimrodjoe (Post 11289970)
Yes it’s indefensible now so they all just go quiet , kennytheking whiteknight all the other costa minions aren’t even defending the company these days

Actually, I'm just tired of answering your constant whinging. I have made my points and I believe the intended audience understands - I am quite happy to leave you to wallow in your endless self pity.

Dropp the Pilot 3rd Sep 2022 19:04

There have been hints
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f864d2579a.png

nimrodjoe 3rd Sep 2022 19:46


Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot (Post 11290333)

Caught a few. tweedle dumb and tweedle dee. Ek ambassadors. Funny guys.

BANANASBANANAS 4th Sep 2022 05:49

Not my fight but, just for accuracy, Nimrod (one word as in nimrodjoe) means 'Mighty Hunter.'

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Nimrod

PPRuNeUser0216 4th Sep 2022 08:52


Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot (Post 11290333)


Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back

Emma Royds 4th Sep 2022 10:27

It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.



PPRuNeUser0216 4th Sep 2022 11:27


Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 11290593)
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.

Emirates has been considered a joke amongst the considerable majority of professional pilots worldwide for the last 10-15 years, but the couple here who cant see below the 5 star hotels and beach clubs never fail to surprise me.

flyTheBigFatLady 4th Sep 2022 14:37


Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 11290593)
It was very interesting to see a LinkedIn post from last week, where one of our former management pilots from the UAE posted the following:

Trust = Loyalty.
No Trust = No Loyalty.
So don't be surprised when your employees quit.

I hope that the original author of this LinkedIn post is not convinced that his UAE national fellows or the the company in question is in any kind loyal or trustworthy
I didn’t realize we have 1st April again

Red Hackle 4th Sep 2022 15:19

Maybe I am wrong but unfortunately as pilots we have to realise that we are not as valuable a commodity as we might like to think. The beancounters and management know this and will continue to use this fact to their full advantage for as long as they can. The industry has changed radically and aircraft are far safer and do not fall out of the sky so easily anymore. Thirty plus years ago it would have been a very different story, but nowadays it is actually a lot harder to end up a statistic and we have seen that many times over the years. As pilots we see the near accidents and incidents and wonder in awe why management aren't shaken into action, but they know full well that the chances of a hull loss are very rare and when it does happen the public will forget about it in a few days. Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it.

Fired600 5th Sep 2022 12:47

The management might think that , but I don’t think the passengers do. I think passengers want the old hairy Sully type with safe hands, not the dewy eyed teenager with more time on Instagram than the flight deck. They are more willing to fly low cost with low experience but expect experience when they pay the EK prices and believe the EK shiny hype.

Shame the public doesn’t realise….maybe they should ;)

JAARule 5th Sep 2022 14:40


Originally Posted by Mike Koal (Post 11290543)
Ah the EK management back slapping morons are back

Nimrod always gonna nimrod. It's in his culture and we see it every day on the line with him or his brethren with whom we are infested.

Eric Hartman 5th Sep 2022 17:40

Everything a ok
 
Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely it’s just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.

nimrodjoe 5th Sep 2022 22:22

Anybody would think a recessions on its way…

just got to make sure where you end up is indeed more secure

PPRuNeUser0216 8th Sep 2022 06:21


Originally Posted by Eric Hartman (Post 11291360)
Apparently 100+ resignations in August alone. But surely it’s just normal attrition, nothing to worry about.

Fleeing like rats off a sinking ship?

Rearranging the deck chairs with premium Economy now.

Is there actually anywhere people can move though, as all the PPRUNE senior members of the establishment keep saying... there's no world outside emirates, there's nothing else, its ek or nothing. where are all these guys going? is there actually a big wide world outside the UAE? sounds scary.

It would be nice day to think that one day I could live somewhere where I can drink the tap water.

Pif Paf 8th Sep 2022 07:00


Originally Posted by Red Hackle (Post 11290705)
Insurance companies also know this and are prepared to accept the risk. They dont want us old experienced pilots as we are a major expense when you can have almost two new Captains for the same salary. They know they can shake a tree nowdays and cheap pilots will fall out of it..

yes they don’t like paying for older experienced pilots but they need us, why?

Many years ago, at one of the pilots meetings, we were told that EKs insurance premiums had dropped. EK was very happy! They also explained why.

Airlines have insurance, in some respects similar to car insurance.so aircraft age, number of aircraft, route structure, accident record, safety record, maintenance, hours flown etc all count towards premiums. Also a major factor is pilots ages and experience levels. Too many young, inexperienced pilots mean the premiums go up.

So while senior experienced captains may cost some money in reality they need a proportion of the flight crew to be older and more experienced to balance out the number of young, inexperienced Pilots coming through, in order to keep the insurance companies happy! Also it makes passengers a bit happier knowing there’s some experience on the flight deck?

(plus someone needs to make sure the young, I’ve been flying commercially for 2 years, I therefore know it all, facebook wonder, instagram pasting, Porsche/ Bentley / Ferrari driving (delete as necessary ), I think it’s normal to fly in fully reclined position with feet up because it’s cool, mobile phone hugging, I’m a sky god type actually remembers he’s got to do a job whilst on flight deck)
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