Can't get pilots? Pay raise & other improvements fix it... |
Those that get turned down by recruitment always wish the worst for EK. Same goes for the FO's that did not get their" promised" upgrade at 3 years. Many other frustrated pilots like to vent on Pprune and the flight deck. Personally I wish they would live it out of the flight deck. Everyone knows someone with the newest and juiciest of rumours, only to be proven wrong with time.
Children of the magenta ( and green) line thrive on social media ,hence fake news. It get tiring and boring quickly. It use to be a fun job ! |
777-up,
Bankruptcy? Would have already happened if it was going to... Accident(s)? Even if it does (hope not) will never lead to shut down... Can't get pilots? Pay raise & other improvements fix it... Your wishing it on us (with or without justification) doesn't make it so. What are we missing, that would cause your predicted total shut down & massive sorrow for those who remain? |
Well said Greenfields
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Hello Greenfields & Fatbus, yes I understand & agree on a number of your points. No, I'm not 'new'.
We have to be realistic. The strong probability is there's going to be an emma-rates around for the next 10, 20, 30+ years (and beyond). It is indeed frustrating at times (constantly for some). My point is some wishing a thing to disappear, won't make it happen. Now, I'm fairly happy here, however I fully understand why some are not. Each of us has to decide for ourselves. The grass is always greener. Moving companies can have a huge influence on your & family future (education, health care still very good benefits here); possibly positive, possibly negative too. I was at a location in the UK recently and spoke with the dispatcher who also handles Norwegian. He told us there are a number of ex-emma-rates Capts there. Not all are happy with their previous decision to leave. One he spoke with sincerely regretted leaving ee-kay. He was working almost as much on 787, for about 1/2 the take-home pay. While 'based' in his home country, but away from home more, on longer layovers. Just relaying what dispatcher said. There's no easy answers. The pay & conditions will improve here (I'm guessing by about 10%+) when they absolutely have to, and when it makes clear commercial sense for them to do so. Shouldn't be that way, as a lot of talent walked away but it's on them. Being proactive appears to be something some org find challenging. Let's hope it's sooner, rather than later... |
The pay & conditions will improve here (I'm guessing by about 10%+) I don't want to be seen as negative but simply being a realist. There will of course be a EK in the years ahead and that is certain but in what size and shape that EK will develop into, is less certain. |
Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 10025765)
Whilst I would love to see that, it's simply not going to happen. 10% across the board...
If they're parking aircraft due to manpower (if) and they believe it's costing them money, an increase becomes a fairly simple business decision. We'll have to wait & see. Viewers just need to keep in mind; certain scribes here may be encouraging others to leave, hoping to create a greater outflow, so those who remain can try to reap the benefits of staying, should pay go up. |
It will never happen....we got a "big " rise, the year after I joined..2007. From then on it has gone down hill. The "contract" that I signed in 2007 talks about 75 hours a month, then overtime, 6 weeks annual leave....yada, yada, yada.....do not wait for a increase in benefits, it will never happen....the only way to increase your personal benefit is to leave....
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10025777)
It will never happen....
Nothing stays the same forever. People change, positions change, orgs re-evaluate. Watch this space for news by March/April. |
Em 10% would still not catch us up to the increments we have had withheld. I think you are right though.
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 10025831)
Em 10% would still not catch us up to the increments we have had withheld. I think you are right though.
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Excise duty in 2017, VAT 1 January 2018, inflation for the last year.........I think we are lucky if we get change out of a 15% increase in the last year. That doesn't mention the previous years worth of inflation, where we didn't even get the 3% to help cover it.
By rough estimates, we are down by at least 20% plus since the last step in 2016. 10% wouldn't even keep us level to 2 years ago. :( |
Originally Posted by felixthecat
(Post 10025901)
10% wouldn't even keep us level to 2 years ago. :(
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As curious person outside of the ME...
If a 10% rise were to happen... Would it be better appreciated in straight pay or a 10% reduction in hours worked... or say 5% reduction in time and more schedule flexibility (flexibility often requires more staffing redundancy which costs...) If you in the direct pay camp, it just seems like even with a 10% raise, none of the other issues that beat you down over time are resolved. I am missing something? |
Originally Posted by Sorry Dog
(Post 10026137)
As curious person outside of the ME...
If a 10% rise were to happen... Would it be better appreciated in straight pay or a 10% reduction in hours worked... or say 5% reduction in time and more schedule flexibility (flexibility often requires more staffing redundancy which costs...) If you in the direct pay camp, it just seems like even with a 10% raise, none of the other issues that beat you down over time are resolved. I am missing something? |
Sorry Dog
I'm sure the majority of EK pilots would take a 10% reduction in hours any day. However, and here's the rub, to achieve such a reduction, you firstly need to have the correct manpower levels in place. We haven't, and the only way that's ever going to change is by attracting skilled and competent individuals with a competitive and enhanced package. Not a two tier system or one that offers a tempting joining bonus, but a revamp across the entire board to stem the flow of current experienced and qualified pilots. Harry |
Add to that - slow down attrition. Basings and/or part time.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I came here to work and make money while I'm here, not sit in Costa.
More hours = more overtime = more money. Last December I got called out on stby ULR for a SEA flight when I was already at 92 hours. The paycheque was impressive. I made in that one month what it took me ten months to make in my previous job. Sign me up. |
Originally Posted by GMC1500
(Post 10026736)
I don't know about the rest of you, but I came here to work and make money while I'm here, not sit in Costa.
More hours = more overtime = more money. Last December I got called out on stby ULR for a SEA flight when I was already at 92 hours. The paycheque was impressive. I made in that one month what it took me ten months to make in my previous job. Sign me up. 😈 |
Earnt more in one month than 10 months in previous job. Shows we’re hiring from some quality airlines.
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