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Originally Posted by harry the cod
(Post 9794427)
ADFUS
I have no idea where you're from, I do not care. My point was to merely highlight the irony of your statement blaming only the UAE and Saudia for supporting terrorism. It's often forgotten that the major protagonist in the fight against terrorism is also a former supporter of the very principles it despises. Only when the US mainland became a target did it's 'protected citizens' take a less jaundiced view to the British occupation of Northern Ireland and their often blind support for a terror organisation that was killing innocent people in the name of freedom! My point being that until the US itself became a victim of terrorism, there may not have been a shift in attitude away from IRA support. Fundraising had been significant up until then and it's subsequent reduction was certainly a catalyst in the cessation of the conflict. It's just such a shame that it took a monumental event such as 9/11 for the government and it's people to grasp that everyone is vulnerable. This should not become an anti US forum. Many hundreds of thousands of lives, on both sides of the pond, have been lost in major conflicts over this last century. Tit for tat spats on this forum achieves nothing other than highlighting our own ignorance and immaturity. More importantly, it disrespects those that have given their lives in the name of achieving real freedom. Perhaps we need to reflect on who the real enemy is here? Harry Talparc You're talking bollocks as usual! |
Not to start controversy here, but I would suggest reading or listening to this audiobook,
"The Shadow World: Inside the Global Arms Trade" The Shadow World and realize what is the level of corruption in the ME and how nations including the one where I am from, have been battered by war and terrorism. By the way, I wonder if prince Bandar still flying his A340 given as a gift to him by BAE for an arms deal? |
Back on thread: QAT passports can't even transit DXB now.
The FT calls for: "All parties to the Gulf dispute would be wise to de-escalate tensions" |
Politics aside, I can't help but feel there are significant 'commercial' motives at play here in an airline context.
QR dumps significant capacity into the UAE with DXB alone being its biggest destination in terms of the number of seats available and the target audience is the traveller originating or ending their journey in Dubai. When you add up the capacity going to and from AUH, DWC, SHJ and RKT, then you have a massive operation that is targeting travellers right in the back yard of the UAE operators. As an aside, QR were in the process of adding their ninth and tenth destination in the Kingdom. From friends outside of the industry, they consistently tell me that QR seems to always beat EK on price and often by a significant margin from DXB and most seem to favour the QR product as well. Perhaps it is little wonder that we are seeing such strict flying restrictions in such challenging times for the industry as a whole and especially so for EK. |
Originally Posted by recceguy
(Post 9794336)
No, we didn't like you.
They came because it was part of their agenda, and they liberated a couple of countries simply because it was on their way. Just quote the number of French, Dutch and Belgian civilians killed by allied bombings - higher numbers than those victims of Germans ... Soviet Union did much more to bring down Nazi Germany. Only that it's now convenient to forget it. 185,000 Americans buried in Europe. No allied military leader wanted to kill allied civilians - it was a terrible war. The US and U.K. in particular can hold their heads very high in what they achieved and sacrificed in the liberation of Europe - which to this day is widely celebrated and acknowledged by Europes leaders on various Remembrance Days. Back on topic - stop talking revisionist shyyte. ps. The reason the Russians don't get enough credit - is because they never left! |
TOGA, yes I have visited the USAAF cemetery near Cambridge. And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the Pacific War wasn't fought by the US alone.
As for where I saw these medals, that the wearers told me for UK service, I saw them at Lakenheath and one who was on a drug interception joint op in Belize. I have no idea about US ribbons, but unless three people independently played the same joke, I am assuming they weren't winding me up. One did tell me that the UK was categorised a combat theatre in the early 90s. That however is not the point, is it? The point was, as made by Harry, that a lot of Americans were proud to fund and support the IRA during the 70s, 80s and early 90s, especially in Boston and NYC. Not a huge percentage, I'm sure, but enough to fund them and lead to deaths into four figures, and it wasn't seen as shameful. The timing of this local trouble also seems rather coincidental. It may be that the US did nothing at all, but it does appear that something during Trumps visit has stirred things up, just like he is stirring in Europe. |
Originally Posted by Aluminium shuffler
(Post 9794521)
TOGA, yes I have visited the USAAF cemetery near Cambridge. And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the Pacific War wasn't fought by the US alone.
As for where I saw these medals, that the wearers told me for UK service, I saw them at Lakenheath and one who was on a drug interception joint op in Belize. I have no idea about US ribbons, but unless three people independently played the same joke, I am assuming they weren't winding me up. One did tell me that the UK was categorised a combat theatre in the early 90s. That however is not the point, is it? The point was, as made by Harry, that a lot of Americans were proud to fund and support the IRA during the 70s, 80s and early 90s, especially in Boston and NYC. Not a huge percentage, I'm sure, but enough to fund them and lead to deaths into four figures, and it wasn't seen as shameful. The timing of this local trouble also seems rather coincidental. It may be that the US did nothing at all, but it does appear that something during Trumps visit has stirred things up, just like he is stirring in Europe. recceguy you have just reinforced my previously stated observations. fliion has effectively responded as I would. A/S and harry almost make it sound as if support of the IRA was a US government policy. I do see the similarities of that conflict and what is going on in the Gulf now, point taken. Anyone earning medals or involved in conflict out of the UK in the 1990's would have been involved in either the 1st Desert War or the breakup of Yugoslavia and is entirely possible. fantom the 111 operation to Libya was much earlier and flew the long way because the French would not allow the use of their airspace enroute to the target. I am done. |
Originally Posted by Desert snake
(Post 9794661)
All my BEIN Sports channels that I am paying extortionate fees for are now blocked. Refund now Du!
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Originally Posted by DCS99
(Post 9794457)
Back on thread: QAT passports can't even transit DXB now. Spiteful?
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Originally Posted by Desert snake
(Post 9794661)
All my BEIN Sports channels that I am paying extortionate fees for are now blocked. Refund now Du!
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Originally Posted by Desert snake
(Post 9794661)
All my BEIN Sports channels that I am paying extortionate fees for are now blocked. Refund now Du!
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/bein-sports-blocked-in-the-uae-as-diplomatic-row-with-qatar-deepens Very unholy acts for this holy month |
Officer kite. You have no idea of this region. Please don't sprout opinion of things you know nothing about.
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http://m.khaleejtimes.com/nation/abu-dhabi/strict-action-against-anyone-showing-sympathy-with-qatar-uae-
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Originally Posted by Phil A Buster
(Post 9794802)
Wow! Even Israeli passports are allowed TWOV for 24 hours in UAE
Wait, what? I thought they were always allowed to transit. |
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The UAE is getting scared now too.
They know why! Great supporters as well! |
Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 9795001)
Officer kite. You have no idea of this region. Please don't sprout opinion of things you know nothing about.
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite
(Post 9794920)
Isn't it like £20 anyway?
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Originally Posted by Desert snake
(Post 9795251)
This could get a lot messier, very quickly. |
And now attacks in Tehran:-
Iran's parliament and Khomeini mausoleum attacked by gunmen - BBC News |
Originally Posted by gearlever
(Post 9795274)
Maybe bouncing along to Saudi sword dance wasn't very wise....
Expatriates residing in Qatar and in possession of a Qatari residence visa will also not be eligible for visa on arrival in the UAE, Etihad spokesman said in an email. |
Typical Middle East , take it out on everybody.
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Originally Posted by Desert snake
(Post 9795372)
So why bring in the Iranians? http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...e-palace-.html
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Originally Posted by IBE8720
(Post 9795529)
If it is true that the Iranian military is guarding the Emir, obviously a coup is much closer to reality.
Obviously the Emiri Guard could not be trusted which the job. |
Historically EK and QR had a "gentleman's agreement" in which pilots could not leave one company for the other. In my view that new situation may be beneficial for EK Boeing guys tired of the lack of leave and very heavy rosters.
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24 Hour Ultimatum! Saudi Arabia threatens Qatar to submit to list of demands or face war
https://theduran.com/24-hour-ultimat...else-face-war/ |
Originally Posted by Tasmanian
(Post 9795611)
24 Hour Ultimatum! Saudi Arabia threatens Qatar to submit to list of demands or face war
https://theduran.com/24-hour-ultimat...else-face-war/ Holy sh....... |
Originally Posted by Tasmanian
(Post 9795611)
24 Hour Ultimatum! Saudi Arabia threatens Qatar to submit to list of demands or face war
https://theduran.com/24-hour-ultimat...else-face-war/ |
Things have escalated quickly
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Originally Posted by Cloud Bunny
(Post 9795645)
Well I'm sure I'm not the only one praying to every God there possibly could be that this is fake news. The region would not survive this. It also seems to be moving waayyy to quickly over something that really requires nothing more than a stern telling off and a promise not to do that again.
Turkey to fast-track troop deployment in Qatar | Qatar News | Al Jazeera Another player in the game |
Yeah but numerous stern telling offs haven't worked in the past. And now the Saudis are all pumped up since they started a military confrontation with Yemen. They are in fighting mode and want to take care of all their problems at once.
If the Saudis believe that Qatar's help or at least their less than complete hostile attitude toward Iran is in some way helping the Houthis in Yemen then as part of their plan in Yemen they might well want the Qatari's to quit their independent foreign policy immediately. Therefore, attacking Qatar could well be part of the overall Yemen policy. If Trump has green lighted this the Americans aren't going to do anything, they'll just sit and watch from their air base. |
Qatar crisis: Turkish parliament approves troop deployment | Middle East Eye
I really must watch Lawrence of Arabia again, I can't remember the outcome :ok: |
Originally Posted by crewmeal
(Post 9795771)
Qatar crisis: Turkish parliament approves troop deployment | Middle East Eye
I really must watch Lawrence of Arabia again, I can't remember the outcome :ok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBIPZCVj84 |
Originally Posted by crewmeal
(Post 9795771)
I really must watch Lawrence of Arabia again, I can't remember the outcome
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57
(Post 9793392)
nobody is going to attack anybody....
Not so cocksure now, eh Iron Butt Your Mr Trump has done an incredible job with the Middle East |
Originally Posted by Yousaidit
(Post 9796117)
So the Saudis are at the border. Meanwhile 10000 trigger happy US troops, freshly terrorized Iranian republican guard and now wannabe dictator Erdogans Turkish Army will all share a plot of land of just 4000 square miles.
Not so cocksure now, eh Iron Butt Your Mr Trump has done an incredible job with the Middle East Ironbutt57 is spot on. |
Originally Posted by ironbutt57
(Post 9793326)
luvlyjubbly is on many forums blaming Trump for everything from arab spring to the hiroshima bombing
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He crashed his motorbike in Dorset |
Originally Posted by anson harris
(Post 9796474)
That was actually at the very start.
Didn't he also spend a night as a guest of a Turkish General at some point in the movie. He knows what it's like to be an EK crew member ;) |
Blocking the QR website in the UAE but still importing a lot of gas from Qatar. That's pragmatism
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