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Sala,

Two quotes that says it all about your post really, one made by you:
“I’m not a local, I’m an expat being treated here better than in my home country”

And here’s one made an industry leader:
“Train people well enough so they can leave, treat them well enough so they don't want to”

I shall leave you to reflect on that...

Pay check better in the states than ek? I find that hard to believe.... after 10+ yrs and left seat maybe.

Sala -

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Originally Posted by superbantas View Post
Kuwait Airways is a nightmare . DONT COME...is the worst airline..You are not allowed to leave the country on your days off...no upgrades ..Locals have everything . and they make jokes all the time about expats...ITS A PRISON...on contract there is nothing what they promisse to you..DONT COME
Totally Agree!

First off all, this isn't an Airline, this is a CIRCUS! This is the CAOS, a big MESS!!!! Never seen this before. They don't know does what "Professionalism" means, this is a playground for the locals kuwaiti's playboys do whatever they want. People on management are lazy, stupid and dumb, 10 secretaries plus the management guys doing nothing, just distracted talking each other about futilities and bothering other people. In the 21st Century they still smoke in the Cockpit in a Commercial flight during flight, on ground, all the time, like crazy!!! And not only the crewing Capt/F.O - they invite every one onboard, even passangers and cabin crew to come to the Cockpit to smoke a little bit during flight and don't care if you are smoker or not (But let's pray for God and our Profet, because i'm an idiot and i'm unable to control myself in absence of cigarette's for few hours). You frequently feel like if you are in a Prank and catch yourself looking for the cameras, many things that happens there are really uncredible.

Maybe this is the Paradise for people from Egypt, Africa, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iemen, Libya, Argelia, Tunisia, Marroco, India, Phillipines, whatever, but for people from the Civilized World i'm sure this is a big ****, a nightmare, the companie's, the people and living in this **** of country as well: all is ****ty.

They don't comply with the contract terms, even the contract isn't clear, and you'll be blocked in this country in your days off (max 2 days off per month in a row for expats), they think we are their slaves, like these Indians, phillipinos, whatever. The treatment you receive is rude, unclear and you are all the time rushing, doing the same thing for them or other's people job 10 times, because they are lazy, not organized and lose or forget everything, even your Medicals Expiry date, PC, IR checks, tickets and hotel bookings on duty, paymnets, everything, if you don't remind the 10 lazy secretaries. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY IN YOUR DAYS OFF WITHOUT AN EXIT PERMISSION LETTER FOR IMMIGRATION, which you have to request at least 5 days before to your Fleet Chief Pilot (Subjected to Approval) if they remember that you exist later or don't lose the papers. HARD PAPERWORK FOR EVERYTHING!!! THEY STOPPED ON THE 50'S, 60'S ... Funny to see it, the Company, the whole country and Government Departments runs like this.

Local Pilots (yokels) think they are the best pilots and persons on earth, the owners of Aviation Knowledge, superior and that this is a Real Airline and that we are lucky and should be grateful to be here flying along with them, the best company in the world for them, because they don't have any other References and background on their Aviation Career, flying for other Airlines, their only reference on Aviation is this ****, which they believe it is not only a real Airline, but the best airline in the world (inshallah). I'm all the time laughing inside about this Kuwaitis Arab hicks, yokels, islamic country bumpkins, Islamic Bitches, who thinks they are the best in something, this is a big **** of country, people and company.

They should be banned to fly into Europe and US, isn't safe.

If they keep things in this way, they gonna have a Crash soon there, with this company desperatly trying to grow at any cost, without any criteria and with lot's of incompetent people in every where, all sectors, starting from CEO, Operations VP and Management, without being prepared for this growth.

Don't come to this place unless if you and your family are starving and even on this situation, you'll be happier staying in your country, at home, doing other things.

Hmmmm interesting, on the last page he wrote -

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I'm sorry guys, but it isn't the Companie's reponsibility to please you, to make you happy and bring some inner light to you, positivity and hapiness for your ****ty life. This is not your daddy's company, this is a job like any other and not a time for fun and celebration, and that's why sometimes or often it's boring: a job is a job everywhere, any sector, that's why it's called "job" and not "party". You choosed your profession and career, nobody forced you to become a pilot right? You should know all these stuffs, how does commercial aviation and airline jobs works for Pilot's BEFORE you decided to become one... this talk all the time, to come here to complaint about how does things on EK works and how tough it is for you to cope with that is so infantile. Again: it isn't Emirates responsibility to make you happy, to bring some light for you life and to please you. It is your job, your homework to be happy with what you have in your hands and don't bother people around you with your insatisfaction and negativity. *I'm not a "local", i'm an expat being treated here better than in my homecountry.

Seems like he is a bit confused about his own advice.

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Originally Posted by salamalecom (Post 9948776)

Either a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome or a paid blogger or twitter merchant or a costa dweller with too much time on his hands.

Most of us are positive people here but you really don't get it do you. We are positive despite the company, not because of the company. There is a massive recruitment and attrition problem that the company will not even admit exists to the workforce - choosing to remove, or make it difficult to access, data sources such as the seniority list for example in an attempt to keep a lid on the truth getting out rather than deal properly with the situation.

And to answer your question re we knew what airlines were like before we signed up. Well, yes, I did. When I started commercial flying, airlines were run almost entirely by pilot managers and directors, the job was fun, the term HR hadn't been invented, 'Personnel' was the department that dealed with administration, Flight Time Limitations really were limitations annd not targets and all pilot recruitment was conducted purely by pilot managers.

And it worked.

HR have taken over this industry and driven it into the ground. And, assuming you really are a pilot, idiots like you have made it easy for them. Profit and cost cutting at the expense of ethics seems to be acceptable and this is most definitely not the same industry I joined.

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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS (Post 9949070)

Either a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome or a paid blogger or twitter merchant or a costa dweller with too much time on his hands.

Most of us are positive people here but you really don't get it do you. We are positive despite the company, not because of the company. There is a massive recruitment and attrition problem that the company will not even admit exists to the workforce - choosing to remove, or make it difficult to access, data sources such as the seniority list for example in an attempt to keep a lid on the truth getting out rather than deal properly with the situation.

And to answer your question re we knew what airlines were like before we signed up. Well, yes, I did. When I started commercial flying, airlines were run almost entirely by pilot managers and directors, the job was fun, the term HR hadn't been invented, 'Personnel' was the department that dealed with administration and all pilot recruitment was conducted purely by pilot managers.

And it worked.

HR have taken over this industry and driven it into the ground. And, assuming you really are a pilot, idiots like you have made it easy for them.

Yes buddy, i do agree with all you've said but what we have in hands today is HR running companie's, and it isn't only on Aviation Industrie but for all sectors of capitalism. Or do we find a better way to deal with this or we leave the business, because things won't go back again like it used to be before, unfortunately.

Salam I think you have a poor basis for comparison . If you were metaphorically kicked in the backside every day in your home country then a kick only every other day here would seem like a positive improvement .

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Originally Posted by salamalecom (Post 9948776)

I feel sorry for you Sala..thinking work should not be fun or enjoyable. What a sad outlook on life. I have got a new job (outside of aviation)...and it is fun, enjoyable and a celebration....in fact it IS almost a party everyday. When I was very very fortunate to be selected for my current position, on my first day at work, I was told by everyone...you are so lucky to get this job..we all love it here..its a lovely place to work.

And 4 months in..its true. Everyone is happy..everyone loves coming to work...the guy who is training me is 70 and says "there is no way i want to retire, I love this place". Management respect and futures the staff...there is a real feeling of 'family"....and the Company DOES see it as part of their job to keep us happy...happy staff mean happy outcomes for all.

Everyone has the right to come to work each day in a happy environment , unfortunatley, for many, that is not the case in EK.

And telling people they are wrong for expecting a nice place to work and having the expectation they may enjoy their job is simply a sad, sad outlook.

With attitude like yours..its no wonder EK is in the position it now finds itself...

Salama...you criticize and chastise people for venting their frustration about their airline and yet with the other side of your face you criticize and vent about your last airline.

Surely that comes over as hypocritical at the very least.

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Originally Posted by salamalecom (Post 9949214)

... Bye!

The best post of his so far....

We should have let Saddam have Kuwait , the thankless lot they are. Even among their GCC colleagues , they are the most despised. Perhaps the least liked nation state in the world , other than N Korea , Zimbabwe and Syria. They could be a benevolent nation , but....

Aw what a shame, your intellect will be missed

I think recess was over and he had to go in...

he is back in Costa..having a meeting about organising a meeting,,,

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Originally Posted by 6000PIC (Post 9949225)

Totally Agree! Those stupid people are the shame of the Gulf.

the other point Sala misses is that even if HR has decimated other industries, in 'most other industries' if you fcuk up, people don't die.

SOPS, I think we are in the same neck of the woods now. Congrats on the new gig. Any hints? :P

From the way this sala writes, I believed he is from S. America!

It won't be too difficult to track down this douche bag.

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Originally Posted by salamalecom (Post 9949411)

Totally Agree! Those stupid people are the shame of the Gulf.

Thought you were going?

This guy cannot be for real.....can he?

There's an app for that:

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Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 9950039)

This guy cannot be for real.....can he?

Reality for him may be slightly different to reality for everyone else! Good for him if he's happy but happiness isn't generally what drives trolls.

Salamalecom, it always amuses me when male, non-pilot, airline management types like yourself, can’t contain their envy for the real men and women who actually fly the airplanes. Hilarious.

For you ‘managers’ out there, ask yourselves: On a normal day, what would be the worst that could happen if you suddenly die behind your desk? Worst case? Absolutely nothing. Would anybody even notice? Then ask yourself: On a normal day, what would be the worst that could happen if an operating Captain suddenly dies in the cockpit? Worst case? The aircraft crashes and everybody dies.

In short, society (in the interest of public safety) doesn’t care if you die at work. On the other hand, society (in the interest of public safety) cares a great deal if a pilot dies at work. Hence we are tested, scrutinized and poked before deemed fit for the responsibility we shoulder. How often is your capability to manage your desk tested?

Have a think about that as you make your way to the ladies room.

Just leave the boy be, he will learn .

Just ignore him - it's what he doesn't want anyway! :}

ATPL theory is wayyyyyyy too easy