EK XMAS ROSTER
 

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Rostered 100.6 hours! :sad:

No ULR no dead-head no Xmas off.

halas

B777 Left seat, top 20% of seniority list, bottom bid.

95 hrs, handling sim, 0 preference bids attained!

Fxcking awful trips to boot!:ugh::{:ugh:

The bucket getting filled up quickly at this moment!

Top bid month:

6 days leave..
9 days off...
Ground school...
Handling Sim...
2 x PPC Sim...

+ 71:20 of flying.

That's over 95 hours of duty in 16 days.

This is starting to get crazy. 5 days leave, PPC, 8 days off, 76hrs. How is this sustainable.

its sustainable because noone calls in fatigued or refuses a duty. Why wouldn't they try to max out the "resources". I don't agree with it, but moaning on pprune about it, yet not confronting management or going fatigued isn't going to cut it. They only understand one thing...$$$

Top bid
Days off over Christmas (7 actually)
Two flights and a sim!

Works for me....

The new roster system is working great- for the company. :)

Top Bid, 3 returns, 2 sim supports, 3 flights in the total opposite direction to my bids. WTF!!!!!!!!! Great bidding system, not!

If I didn't know any better I'd nearly take it personally. :hmm:

The 380 is now almost a separate airline 7 days in a row 4 great trips in middle bid.

kennedy

Mate, it doesn't matter if you're number 1 on the seniority list. If you're in bottom bid, you'll get crap. That's the way a rotating bid system works. The clue is in the name.....rotating!

Come back and complain when you get nothing whatsoever in your top month ok!

Harry

OnceBitten

Did you get your request? Assume it was Days Off over Xmas? Just asking as optimiser will try for your preferences but your seniority does not work within the group for that and it'll also try to max efficiency in roster by giving flights elsewhere to cover your string of days off that it's already given you...5 I assume?

According to our illustrious leader, it's innovation week in the UAE.

Rostering have certainly embraced that with the December schedule.

EK is now officially declared crazy. Close to 100 hours 2 ULRs, 1 turn, 5 EU flights all night flights. Crazy... Just plain Crazy! You need to be an idiot to even consider this outfit. Only Harry the ... Will be left here soon.

Mid bid.

101 published roster.

9 DXB layovers

Of course the above is based on starting duty 60min prior - so throw on another 4-5 hours.

The company should be ashamed of themselves.

Gulf air indeed.

f.

100.5 hours :mad:
So much for spending any quality family time with the wife and kids over Christmas....

fliion

Then put your money where your mouth is and turn up 61 minutes before hand. Nobody forces you to brief the crew....they expect you to. If it bothers you that much, don't do it. I don't, especially for an early if it violates the previous day off. I've had zero feedback. What can they say?

Let us all know how you get on! ;)

Harry

Already did Harry.

Put my money where my mouth was. Was brought in by the fresh prince - and given an informal chat, - if it continues disciplinary proceedings.

Raised it again in a wash up in from of witnesses with above - told them that it was manipulation of FDPs and Co was putting themselves in jeopardy if there was a stewards after an accident..was told "you made your point, let's move on"

Nice to see you continue to defend.

I'll give you one thing - you're consistent.

Got nothing I bid for but got wife's office Christmas party off, Christmas and NYE off, and a particular night out to see a band.
Total 96 hours including 23 hours of D/H. Odd.
I attended one of the information sessions at EGHQ and was told that the system can accept way more than five bid selections.
Wonder when that will happen?
Livin' the dream…
"Work-work-work-work…"
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Exactly what I bid for

B777 Left seat
100hrs
10 Days off

Getting closer and closer to that day.......

Remember, it's 100 in 28 days, so probably legal. And if you're doing an ULR, for duty your augmenting rest doesn't count for your monthly max flight hours. I think that's still the case. Oh you'll get paid for the total flight hours. That's your pay raise.

B777 left seat
85ish hours, No ULRs
12 days off (2 blocks of 5)
Working Christmas, but the trip is to home so will have chrimbo at home.
Have done my homework on this bidding system, so far so good.

Working for EK would one expect Christmas Off, isn't it just another day?
EK Pilot
F***ing hell, you sure cant squeeze a quick turn in there....

Middle Bid Left seat 777. 93 hours with 12 days off and good or decent layovers. Although I do work Christmas. Granted the rostering is getting worse at EK but perhaps you guys should spend less time on PPrune and more time learning how to bid.

Wow - with the above post...

we knew the goal posts had moved...but

...how quickly some have followed.

We now have people who think 93 hours! and working Xmas is proof of deft Jepp work after just their 2nd try!

Jesus wept

2nd top Habibis

OK, so I went and saw the Pilotbidhelpdudes, after this months sh1te. My priority was days off over Xmas.

What I got.

6 days off over Xmas, followed by a ULR... Better than nowt eh.
Got 2 x MCO, only wanted 1. Feast or famine eh!
1 other layover that is OK, not bid for.
3 crap turnarounds, and an ABV that came outta nowhere!

89.5 hours and 11 days off.

Gonna write in again, like all you moaning on here should do. If you don't, then nothing will change.

SyB :zzz:

I hope no-one actually thought they implemented the new bid system to improve pilots lifestyle....! :=

The planes keep coming & the pilots keep leaving / not joining.

Do the maths, it's not going to get any better any time soon.

The new bid system is about managing expectations, eventually getting one trip you asked for will be considered success. A bit like boiling a frog.... Motojet is there already.....

Hardly Praise Jebus. I am not happy with 90 something hours. Nor am I happy with the new bid system. Only having 5 choices is ridiculous. Limits on days off in a row or max days off in a month is asinine.

But when guys in the same bid group as myself or higher get 100 hours, a month of turns or all night flights perhaps they should take a look at their bid strategies.

777 rhs,bottom group.
97.5 hrs
8 trips incl 4 layovers
10 days off,6 rest days
Xmas and NY eve off!
Have I won the lottery?

No, it's just a case of the galactic levels of incompetence working in your favour this time...:ok:

Received my top request, days off after leave, only to be followed by a ULR!

So practically worthless as far as vacation extension.

7 days leave, plus handling sim, and 82 hours flying.

Working Xmas and nye. How lovely.

Turtle, there are ways and means to manipulate the rules in your favour. Without quoting chapter and verse, look at the rostering rules. (You probably already know this, and it's why I always bid for a ULR after leave)

But don't you have to come back to DXB on those off days before the ULR in order to be acclimatized?

No you don't. It's all explained in the rules.

I'm on reserve - this might hurt a bit!

Well it depends on how many days off Turtle got after leave. One absolutely needs 3 local nights in Dubai to be acclimatised before ULR. (OM-A 7.C.3.c)

This of course assuming that leave is spend outside 2 time zones away from DXB.

Yes there are ways of "interpreting" the rules in a different way, but in the end of the day, when you are in the office for T&B, its their interpretation that matters... Just be careful...

Going on leave does not alter acclimatisation. You can go to Seattle for a month and if you left Dubai acclimatised you return acclimatised.

To have any effect you must end a duty outside the band.

You may be tired, you may be jet-lagged but by the letter of the law you are acclimatised.

Drop- I think you are wrong in your interpretation.

If you go to Seattle on leave, and come back after 2 weeks. You cannot do a ULR to Sydney (unless you spent three nights in Dubai before the duty).

If you went to Seattle then enroute to home stayed in Cyprus say, for a few days then came to Dubai, you could then do a Sydney.

The company has given warnings to guys who have gone to London on days off, then come back to Dubai 12 hours before doing a ULR duty.