Hooligan

I am yet to fly with a CC who weren't overjoyed by the 9 week bonus, unlike us day off stealing overpaid and under worked pilots. You don't have to defend anyone to make your point. I'll remind you of the hard work you put into your career and what it cost you to become a pilot in the first place. CC wouldn't lose sleep if you got 3% or not

It never ceases to amaze me how people start to compare their lot with others. The LC 737 driver in Europe against a 777, forgetting that most of the 777 boys have flown the dirty old 73 and many have sat in exactly the same seat!

Then it runs to, what did the boys get in Mongolia? What about Mars? What about the cabin crew? Jealousy leads to a race to the bottom until market forces drive a change. Following the logic; he used to stock shelves but now flies, why pay him any more than the stacker?

It's called a career. When you are an employee you are paid more as you gain seniority and experience. Increases are sometimes given to match inflation but employers will only pay top dollar to fill seats as the company starts to go over the precipice and not before.

It doesn't matter how close you get until Senior Management have irrefutable evidence that they have screwed the pooch they will keep on trucking. Reducing experience will seem like a panacea but will just increase training and wastage.

This Jeppessen system will fail just as all others have due to
GIGO and overtime will rise unless we get bums on seats.

Welcome to the Pleasuredome boys and girls!

Only a few weeks left :ugh: HR given in no uncertain terms my opinion of the direction, the culture, and the eventual outcome of the current greed based policies.
Funnily enough "we know" was used several times.

I have but some are easily pleased! But what has the profit share got to do with the pay rise?

The only thing I can think is how the size of the "entire" package is always quoted when advertising for jobs but pay in "weeks" for the profit share.

Of course they should be delighted with the 9 "weeks" shame it is "weeks basic", for the average Grade 1 it must work out at less than 3 weeks of their actual pay packet!

Thankfully pilots do slightly better and mine will equate to about 5 "weeks" so about 9%!

Yippee.........!

I think we should be concerned about the cabin crew. Not because we want to compare but simply because we are all part of the same team at the end of the day.

And for what its worth I have yet to speak to CC who are happy with the 9 weeks.

Reality
 

Reality checklist please:

First of all really didn't think you took the attrtition rate or ( everyone is planning to leave ) too seriously ...

Nobody is joining .. The recruiter can't find the number the courses are being cancelled and the aircrafts are parked ...

Let me share first hand experience:

Pilots are applying .. In decent numbers too .. Chiefly low cost pilots

They didn't lie when they said as long as Ryanair and easy jet are supplying we are fine

The (ONLY) thing that has changed is the preference many people had when it came to joining the ME3

I had never heard of a pilot expressing more interest in Qatar ( I mean really..) than Ek

The unmentioned has become the first choice and Ek has become the last resort for many who do some research before they are taunted by (THE BRAND)

now until more pilots realise what they would be getting into when making EK their first choice ... Nothing is gonna change

Next salary review will be to our advantage ... If you manage to keep our medical valid till the.

The purser on my last flight was from the sub-continent and he seemed happy. Although we would all like more but he certainly wasn't complaining.

It's all relative at the end of the day.

Was at the clinic this morning, asked the doctor about new entries and was told that there is a steady stream of "new suits" seen daily! But also a steady flow of current pilots renewing there medicals prior to exiting!??

Yes but.
 

I was at EGHQ Coasta chatting to friend who works there. A group of 10-12 pilot interviewees some with wives were being escorted around. I believe they are getting the number of interviewees they need, but are just having to work much harder to get them. Whether or not that's the case, right is right. 0% cost of living increase almost year over year since 2008 is pathetic, and wrong. Everyone knows it, including them. They are not interested in "One of the ten best places to work." They are not interested in their people, and they are so far removed from the flight deck, you are more of an annoyance than an employee. According to my friend he his wife and 3 kids budgeted 3,000 dhs. a month in 2007 to cover food, gas, et al for their family. He says now it's over 10K. (I know you will all have different numbers, that's not the point.) He also says his job is twice the work it was 8 years ago. His claim was his realized take home pay was never higher than his first year at EK. This is something new joiners need to hear. YOU WILL NEVER TAKE HOME MORE THAN YOUR FIRST YEAR AT EK. It will swiftly and slowly erode.

Swiftly and slowly!

Very very true 120.

Let me get this right - you're becoming low cost long haul?

It's just a little bit better than Euro low-cost airlines. The pay is far more, but that has to be your only goal in life to enjoy it out here...

Stolen goods
 

Yes Tri-Swiftly and slowly!


I did mean both. It's happening baby steps and leaps. Also, when the bully steals your football and then gives it back to you a few months later, you have gained nothing only lost the use of the football during that time. Much like your productivity threshold being sorta given back to you. It was already stolen.

It is still stolen. The basic is still based on 78hrs. Still Aed 6000 per month stolen from Capts.

YUP
 

That's why I said sorta.

And to think all we do for our money is nada...........

Here is a day in the office today (just now) that could be any of us...
Singapore Airlines Airbus A330-300 flight ‪#‎SQ836‬ on May 23 lost power on both engines south-east of Hong Kong and started to descend. The flight lost about 13,000 feet before crew managed to restore power on both engines. Between 12.46 and 13.11 UTC no ADS-B data was picked up from flight #SQ836.

S?pore to Shanghai SQ836 flight landed safely after experiencing temporary loss of power to both engines mid-air | Mothership.SG

Been reading about the sorry state of EK for years now and was always amazed how many people were still joining every year. Now we're reading about yet another blow to the employees. Despite this nowhere near enough of you guys and gals will put your money where your mouth is and so the downward spiral continues.

CP

Captn I hear what you are saying and there is a little bit of truth to your statement. There is a trickle of EK pilots that have pulled the plug as there are plenty of options now for everyone. Not enough to make a difference but that will probably change in the months ahead.
Just a few of Emirates pilots are truly happy. Most are resigned to the sad state of affairs that is EK today and won't do anything about it for whatever reason but some are doing something about it. A lot of these pilots I described lastly have their applications out and will do anything to get out. A tiny minority have even left without a job. That is telling, they are saying that their health, well being and happiness is more important than anything including what Emirates can offer.
I wonder how much more than Emirates pilot group can tolerate? We all know it is,going to get worse but most will stay. Thank God for the majors. There is hope for a life!

Thank you for my 0% increase! What is inflation running at now? Judging by the price of groceries it is around 10%.

I am actively looking at other options now, I prefer "Quality of life" over money and artificial crap.

You can have your dust and 45 degrees, cheerio :mad: