FOsRuleTheWorld.

how much of your flying is during the day? In willing to bet most if not ALL.

99% of layovers at EK will cause your body clock confusion. Ultra Long Haul flying? Night turn arounds to India? time zone changes? It's a different beast. Be careful what you wish for. You'll be right where most of us are one day. We do long haul flying with short haul style rosters and it's not sustainable.

nevermind...

CaptainChipotle
I don't know what we are discussing here. ı didn't say anything about the fatique nor about the lifestyle you have. The thing i am talking about is the overtime payment rate and that's all i am talking about.

FoS
 

What he is saying is the 330 guys work much harder than you do and also never see overtime!
All this did was widen the gap of inequality even further between fleets. Also I fail to see how a 3-5% increase in school pay is going to cover the 10-12% increase in school fees. You all took a pay cut. Again.:ouch: Greed has taken over. I can remember when everyone was making money and everyone was happy at EK. It was not so long ago. Things will not ever change for the better with AAR there. Sorry guys, you deserve much better.

Well just so you guys know you aren't the only ones - Your friends to the South-west haven't had a single increase (besides the 2% step each year) in at least the past 4-5 years. The only increase has been a small adjustment to the education allowance.

Seems everyone is getting shafted!

A thought - Talking to some buds in the US - word is the Jeppesen rostering is very powerful and capable as an employers tool.

CUE the conversation between Fleet & Jeppesen went something like this.

FLEET - "If we de-stick ULR operating bunk time, spread out the ground duties, sim, vacay etc. What's your system capable of doing re hours?"

JEPP - "the CRS is decrepit, ironing out the inefficiencies is low hanging fruit and tactically placing Cargo DH time in equation, working with your current pilot numbers - we reckon the bingo number on a 31 day month is....guess? (Big smile)"

FLEET - "Oh you tease! - go on!"

JEPP - "88!

f.
(Too incredulous to even comment on the 0.0%)

"80% of the legs i fly is approximately 1.5 hour and i need to fly my butt off even to get to the treshold of 85 hours. It takes like 40-50 legs to get there and believe me 737 is a hell aircraft nothing like 777 nor 330...blah blah blah"

....and how many wide body hours do you have on B777, or A330 with EK......don't comment on stuff you know nothing about.

Lets get this clear.light blue

ICN-HKG 1945-2230
HKG-ICN 0045-0525

sound familiar? Double crew!!

9+2 days off and additional day travelling if required in 3 days allowed. All up for AU 12 days off with 2 days travel = 17 days work max normally 80 hrs tops. Heavy crews on most sectors. Almost guaranteed days off except for chinese new year and Korean holiday in october and possible discussion at xmas. Fo's do hardly any flying and love the radio from 10,000'+ exceptional maintenance. ( 1 MEL in 2.5 yrs) sim done by Alteon Boeing guys. Very nice. Layovers in US almost always 48hrs+, 5star hotel in ICN, guaranteed business seat home at no cost every month. 13K+ and per diems on top. Disclaimer: No newspapers and no controlled rest

now it will be impossible to swap flights, well played TCAS!

3%
 

I'm just happy they didn't REDUCE our pay by 3%!!! Come on U.S. legacy carriers, CALL ME...I'm ready to come home!!!

At least TCK had the hide to present a bullsh!t story to us to "explain" the Cost Neutral Pay adjustment back in early 2000s as opposed to TCAS's blunt message.

Those worried about greater difficulties in swapping trips should relax because these numbers will simply become the new targets. Dependent on fleet, many have been doing 86-88 hours most 30/31 months lately, the new targets won't make much difference. They're not in the habit of giving away anything (like overtime payments) to us for no reason. They obviously expect to pay nothing extra.

What will make a difference is the new swap rules when the new system comes online.

Bring back TCK, he may've been a TC but at least he was so dumb it wasn't as insulting.

Rumour has it cabin crew now have schooling allowance, and a Aed10 per hour increase in their flight pay. No increase in their basic.

Pursers will get schooling allowance and 7aed/hour , GR2's nothing

How dare anyone bring up cabin crew and what pay review they got. Where's your self respect! I'm sure they would love it if you went to trade in your 4 bars for a red polo shirt worth a basic salary of aed4,400...No wonder the boys haven't got an ounce of respect for us

777 maybe you should stop jumping to conclusions. I think what the company gave to the CC is also a disgrace and goes to show relevance to the utter lack of value this company gives to its most valuable assets.

Gents,

I must have glanced over this part yesterday as I was absolutely dumbfounded and flabbergasted due to the fact we received a 0% increase.

But can anyone explain to me what sub part 4 means? It mentions an "Increase to Appointment Allowance". I know it most likely does't apply to me but wtf does it mean? Unless maybe we get allowances now for any appt.'s, possibly even sick call appt.'s. ;)

Can someone explain this to me in "symplistic", understandable english? I'm at my limit in terms of trying to deciphering his emails.

Pay Review is out...!
 

Training allowance, management allowance etc

Nice try :ok:

Alas no, it's for line pilots appointed special positions i.e. 'trainers', 'deputy assistants to the assistant deputy of assistant deputies' etc etc

Their salary is the basic Capt's salary, plus a separate appointed position allowance and transport allowance etc. That separate allowance will increase.

Other departments in the "castle" got an average 5% increase dependant on performance. Low performance 3%, high performance 7% and of course neither over nor under achieving gets 5%

It appears as though we are, collectively, low performers in the big scheme of things.

They could argue that 9 week profit share is the equivalent of a 16.6% pay rise. But everyone gets that. Or do they?
VP's get minimum 3 times that and SVP's get 6 times as much as a bonus on top of the profit share.

Some animals are more equal than others.

halas

Ahhhhh... I see.

Well in that case, I guess I better hang up... as I've been on hold with Medical + Dental for the last 10 mins. Was gonna try and book as many "appointments" as I could to offset the 0%. For a second or two I bit excited thinking about this additional "appointment" allowance.

Silly me.... wtf was I thinking. :E