EK crewing levels coming home to roost?
 

Grapevine......

No more flight deck swaps that involve Days off
Unrostered double turns for CC
Overtime threshold lifted for Feb
Plus many more signs of a rapidly impending crewing crisis

It would appear things are about to get a lot worse around here!

Easy fix, fatigue report followed by days off :ok:

Good bye, have a lovely life. ( directed at management not the people who choose to stay)

Double Turns were forced upon an unsuspecting cockpit crew as well the other day I have been told…. and if refused, would have to come see JA! So looks like it's not just cabin crew….

It just keeps getting better and better……..

How in the world will this airline hire up to 450 pilots for this year??? And more…. how many applicants will they have to interview to get that 450???

I just can't wait.

"Show me the money"... and I mean a lot more money. :}
Their whole package simply doesnt compare anymore with what's on offer globally now, even with a few of their neighbors.

One of the GR2 crew on a trip a couple of weeks ago arrived at HQ a few minutes late after initially leaving her ID at home. As there were no airport standby crew remaining, she was allowed to operate and avoided an absent! :E

Kapitanleutnant

Please excuse me for not sharing your emotive displeasure at a 'double sector' but there is only one question to ask. Was the duty requested of the flight crew within the prescribed FDL's? If it was, they are not in a position to refuse it, simple as. If it falls outside of the FDM, then discretion is with the commander, not JA!

I'm not saying that we're not short of crews, but lets be mature enough to decide what battles to fight. If you are a Captain out there, grow up and grow some. And not necessarily in that order!

Harry

Reminds me of a story I heard about one of our captains calling the duty pilot one evening over something trivial. The duty pilot happened to be an Irish DFO. He apparently asked said captain to have a good look around the flight deck and if he saw someone with 4 bars on his shoulder get him to make a decision!

True or not I certainly could imagine it coming from said DFO. Made me laugh either way.

Put it in writing to the manager on duty, and request confirmation of same of acknowledgment from the MOD via scanned copy with his/her signature. You have your options should they refuse.

Harry,
Can't disagree much with what you say but...

Lets think this thru a bit, shall we:

Would you get an increase in flight pay for this?
Would you get overtime pay for this if you had 91:30 up to that point?
Would you be then removed from a future trip that month to remain under 92?
Would you get the increased overtime pay plus that flight pay as well?

I was just passing along what I heard….

Kap

Someone give some reasons for going into discretion out of DXB. There are plenty of mgmt. pilots that could take up the slack. These issues don't just crop up usually. Remember, it's Captain's Discretion, not Management's.

Expect phone calls from scheduling on days off....hope you give them the correct answer!

Have they called anyone on days off recently? I don't care how much they offer the answer is NO. I've gone "the extra mile" for quite some time.

Also, I flew with a Ryan air guy the other week that was happy here, and he didn't know of any other Ryan air guys headed back. I just wonder if there is any truth to the rumor.

Cap, don't worry about Harry. He's either high on life or drunk on the company kool aid. He's very happy at EK (or is a management troll). He has some decent posts but is still a puppet for EK. It's good to play Devils advocate some times but he is the kind of guy that would happily accept a double duty(as long as it fits within the FTLs). It's guys like him (and others) that are why our quality of life is under constant attack and the terms and conditions are dwindling.

CaptainChipotle.

No, I'm not a management troll.
No, I'm not drunk on the Company Kool aid. In fact, far from it.

Yes, I am high on life. (Financially secure, healthy and happy family, safe environment, nice house, great friends)
Yes, I'm generally happy here in Emirates. (see above)

And yes, I would do a double sector if it was required and was safe and legal. For two reasons. Firstly, I would have a hard time justifying not doing it. When you sign in, you're signing in for the full FDP. It's little different to having a tech problem then being delayed 4-5 hours. Secondly, believe it or not, FDM's and management do appreciate gestures such as this and I may one day need a favour in return. I speak from experience and assure you that I have indeed been assisted in the past.....on several occasions. That's why I try offer a balanced argument. In 12 years, I've extended into discretion 3 times and refused once. I heard nothing further on that occasion. I didn't just extend for the companies sake, but for the 350 people sat behind me.

Oh, and a final no. I will not work on a day off. So you can be rest assured it's NOT people like me who are responsible for your dwindling T&C's!

Harry.

I'm pretty sure management used to appreciate gestures such as the one outlined by Harry but EK was a different company then. I think the chances of getting favours returned now are pretty small. Heck they won't let us do legal swaps most of the time!

I got a call for a "favour" a few days ago....was happy to tell them a resounding "NO" - and don't ask again.

Happy New Year to All !!!

Never mind giving them the right answer, just don't answer the phone when they call you on a day off!

Were these guys ex-A320 Captains working as FOs on the 380? Or current 330/340 Captains with 320 ratings on the Licence.

EasyJet will only interview you with a 320 rating at the moment. Gatwick unlikely as most of the places going to Monarch trainers. Other bases great if its where you want to live.

I'm sure the Ryanair F/O's are only happy because they still can't believe they are getting fed and watered!

-captainchipotle
 

I will side with Harry again

Harry has never been emotional in his statements .. Can't say the same about ur response

He merely accepts the current reality ... Perhaps you have been long away from ur home and the ancient first class treatment that pilots received that it clouds ur views of the current market

I view this sites on daily basis for constructive comments like Harry's

Wait for the influx from Cyprus Airways....yet again they have been saved by the misfortune of another carriers demise!:ugh:

Are you SURE you're not sure, Am NOT Sure?

http://s21.postimg.org/3rqrtl8l3/arsekisser.jpg

Wow..! Emirates accommodation vs Easyjets relentless rosters, 'creative' rostering practices and cut price foreign DEC contracts..!

Why don't these guys just move out of their EK homes/flats and take the million quid that EK will give them over the next 25-30 years..?

If you think you can't last 25-30 at EK heading off to MUC, BKK and MRU each month then the very best of luck at EasyJet..!

Craggen,

Your living in the 90's world of EK. The current world is 6 layover trips a month to many undesirable places in varying time zones to the tune of 92 hours per month with the inability to swap to the desired destination examples you listed above.

It would be great if your example was true.... That said, I would not go to Ryan or Easy from EK......YET.........

Transit, l think he was referring to the gAy 380

halas

You guys talking about other companies, with so many opinions and so much knowledge, have no clue what you are talking about.

I don 't mean to be bitter or rude, really, but I can also promise you it's not like these companies are there just waiting to hire you.

All the best

It's always better to have the options though, than non at all!!!!!!

EK will be in for some surprise in a year or so.........

Just my 2 pennies

Silky, most of Cyprus' pilots will joint Aegan

And they only had 6 aircraft

The Mondial guy (EK prov fund) recently told me he's seeing an increase in guys n' gals who previously were just grumpy but are now on their way or making plans before they hand in their resignation.

Not saying it'll be massive numbers, just an increase in unhappy folks ready to make the move. His observations, not mine!

I've never seen a Mondial guy (prov fund) but enough is enough is enough. Last day of service in less than 3 weeks.

Whereabouts are you heading GOTOINDIA?

Are you able to tell us?

Best of luck with the move and keep us updated on how the leaving process went.

Reading all this confirms I'm leaving at the right time.... 71 days and counting...... :}

Ryan air pilots will still keep coming, shortage of crew - not in EK!!

We are still only sitting at 3700...over two years ago we were over 3500, how many recruited since then? Everyone keeps telling us we are below industry average in attrition, I totally disput that!! :hmm:

A flight was delayed a few days ago because of no FO available. The original FO was used to crew an earlier flight which had an FO go sick and no replacement could be found in time.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/201...bullies-around

Link above.

I don't understand the logic behind that policy, not pertinent to this thread though really.

Tryin to imagine if all the crew call in sick ( not in the same day ) just one flight a month , what will happen ? Especially if you r in reserve :E

An entire ground school day was apparently lost last week because of a shortage of trainers.

We've let go several long time and very knowledgable GSFIs, and now they're short.

There aren't enough trainers to run the 777 program for the year.

....."but 100 applied for trainer positions" they said. ...so all must be fine.