EK loves the fact that the comparison between Ryanair and EK actually flatters EK.

Now that's setting the bar high.

Agree with Wiz, I'd take a Ryanair guy over a US RJ guy anyday. Dont worry , i'm not offened if some disagree. But this thread is a waste of time.

PS , How many Ryan pilots have failed the upgrade compared to US RJ pilots?

Always amazing how many Americans don't get capitalism when it applies to THEM.

I can't believe we are racing to the bottom with the argument who is better (worse), RJ or Ryanair pilots.
The real question should be why are we hiring either of them?

Why would we not hire Ryanair pilots if they are good pilots?

Tell me aC, before your first wide body, who employed YOU?

How exactly does being an American RJ pilot or a Ryan air guy make them bad? Seriously.... As far as I'm concerned a pilot is a pilot is a pilot.

Who gives a toss what you flew before joining EK. Should we throw the cadets into the same sinking boat that you all are apparently too good to ever catch a ride in?

Once you are a company pilot, you are a company pilot. You met the standard and got in, or didn't. End of story. I know just as many non-American/non-Ryan air guys that porked up the command as those that didn't.

Give it a rest. Seriously.

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Well said Roberto...

The whole - where you are from, and what you were flying thing again....yegads , it'll be A v B within a day...move on.

Now - heard a little rumor that the candidates here for assessments have spouses that are calling Meydan a deal breaker - because their 'mates' came earlier and got DSO Cedre/Semmer

Suggestion is that offers being declined as a result.

Not sure if it would have been a deal breaker for me as I wouldn't have known any better..but I'm not a wife.

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Kudos for actually showing the real thing, instead of the usual MO of showing a lovely beach villa.

If recruitment isn't a problem why do we keep lowering the minimum requirements?

We changed them from a flat 4000hrs jet to an alternative of 2500hrs on specific types that were useful (basically Boeings and Airbuses) specifically to try and get the types of younger guys at the likes of easyJet, Ryanair and Jet2 who had shown as being good value.

Have a look at the recruitment thread here- still plenty of 4000hr guys applying- the company would prefer someone with a few less hours from a more relevant operation.

How exactly does being an American RJ pilot or a Ryan air guy make them bad? Seriously.... As far as I'm concerned a pilot is a pilot is a pilot.

Good point Bob Dole...I've trained pilots arriving here from all over, and nationality didn't really seem to be a factor..unless it came to language skills

What an American encounters over here....Miserable Aussie trainers that hate Yanks because of the America West export-a-scab operation during their dispute in 1989....Miserable Brits who...are just miserable people in general...so the deck is loaded against yanks when they first show up....not saying ALL or even MOST Brit or Aussie trainers are like this...but more than their fair share for sure..strange lot they are...

Is that so?? Well I guess that makes sense. I always thought they hated the yanks because of their terrible RT, lack of interest in following SOPs, difficulty in following a checklist without throwing in their own interpretations, their president(s), etc etc... you know the stuff. But your theory makes a lot of sense.



Hey Wiz, who's "we"?? "We" changed the requirements, did we? I know you love this place Wiz but careful with that royal "we" because one day (and I hope it doesn't happen to you) if you come unstuck in some way they will drop you like a bad habit. See how long it's "we" then.

Fair point, Outatowner- semantics, but I get your point.

No, I don't love the place, but I recognise it's the best place for me and many others currently, but I know exactly why many are unhappy and don't blame them for it- have an actual read of what I write, I am not at all adverse to laying blame at EKs feet where I think it earns it.

I do feel it helpful to point out when some of the rhetoric is just plain wrong- such as AC here assuming we employ a lot of Ryanair pilots because they aren't very good. The opposite is simply a statistically provable fact.

Tell me, if someone from outside asks you where EK fly's to, do you say "We fly to XYZ", or "THEY fly to XYZ"?

I never said Ryanair pilots are not very good. What I said was with the mentality and attitude with regards to work rules and pay that Ryanair has is very detrimental to our or any pilot group.
I don't know of any pilot who is not very good. Look at the industry's safety record. It is excellent. It all comes down to attitude and we are lagging behind not only other Widebody airlines but other comparable airlines in the region.
I also don't know of any Emirates pilot that says "we" when referring to the airline they work for. That is probably because the average EK pilot does not feel he is vested or has a say or can control very much of his job. Hotel Commitees, Crew Meals, Pension review are just some of the items we are ignored on and have no say.

I'm going to agree with AC here, which is a bit of a first. Emirates doesn't feel like "my" airline, in which I have an interest and a stake. Certainly not like my last one in the UK anyway. I just feel like I'm paid to do the job, safely and efficiently, and go home. So that is what I do. I'm barely involved, never mind committed.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. There are some great pilots from all around the world, the manufacturers make great aircraft yet still we manage to kill people in benign conditions.

Training and culture seem to be the big players, I am a bit worried about the latter slipping.. Sadly pilots rarely advertise their true worth when they have saved the day, they just move on to the next flight. The only time the Industry learns the true value of the pilots is when a 777 accidentally bumps into a seawall on a VFR day, then they learn the true profit/cost equation.

AC

Ever heard of a Captain's Special Report. Great for reporting issues with hotel noise, crew meals...etc...etc..

Yes, you can have a say in things, it's just that too many of 'us' can't be bothered. Over 5500 staff are involved with the Provident pension scheme. At my last 6 monthly meeting with Mondial I was told 'off the record' that less than half have ever used their services and around a third are still in the default funds. If people are apathetic about their own finances and future, they're hardly going to show interest in other less important issues are they?

Harry

Harold, I do wonder sometimes if you are indeed a company chap, or perhaps you are merely playing agent provocateur. How many of us have any faith in the CSR, or for that matter the FRMS et al?
There is, and will continue to be, a majority of us who will remain disengaged with the company. The basis for this is that from a management perspective in terms of policy and action, this is precisely the intention.
All the wonderful layers of bureaucracy run by those empire builders we know and love place a convenient filter in the way of open, concise and clear communication.
Now you can pontificate to your hearts' content, but unless it impacts directly and publicly on the brand image then there is a snow balls chance in Mirdif of any substantive change.
That is the expectation, we fly the planes, others do the managing, you are fooling yourself if you genuinely believe otherwise.
I would love to be proved wrong, but what I see everyday merely confirms what I have always thought and concluded.

BigGeordie

"I'm barely involved, never mind committed"

And I guess that's why you agree with Alconguin Crusader who doesn't consider himself part of 'the team' either. I'm not taking sides. self worth in the workplace is as much to do with our own attitude as that of the employer. Anything stopping application for a training position, or CRM or even peer support. The latter is short of volunteers, maybe some satisfaction of helping fellow pilots overcome difficult situations. Free training and qualification! Don't laugh, serious suggestion!

I'll say this much....if you don't use the CSR's then stop bitching!!!!!!!

To be fair, the company (managers) can hardly be blamed about not knowing about many of the 'smaller' issues if we don't write. It is easy, takes only a few minutes and may well be worth it. At the very least you are TRYING.

You can write a concise and civil note about the issue--simple really.