EK Employing more Indians
 

Just a thought, why don't EK Employ more Indian pilots? all EK pilots seem to be Western pilots, if your ever in DXB and listen to 118.35, 9/10 of the EK pilot will have a British/American or Australian voice, same could be said for FZ.


From a business perspective if these big players opened up to all the unemployed pilots in India I would guestimate they could cut there crewing costs by up to 75% in reduced wages.


I am not Indian myself, but it just bears a thought for the future.

Loads of Indian nationals at all carriers here in the Gulf...can't see why they would cost less...their skill sets seem to match everybody else's therefore they are paid the same as everybody else...

Going_Manual - Perhaps if they payed idiots less than Indians, you could personally save them 100%.

Mister Warning - Next time your in Dubai just have a listen to the radio and tell me I am wrong about EK and that the majority are Indian voices:ugh:


Ironbutt - I am not disputing that Indian pilots are any less of a talent than Western pilots, but it is a fact that Indian carriers like Spice jet, Indigo etc get paid much less than the likes of EK pilots, they work for less money is the point I was making, I never said that it was RIGHT they get paid less:ugh:

Couldn't agree more. Why would you start such a stupid racist thread like this? Going Manual you really should get a life bro and stop embarrassing our class.
Mfan

Murrenfan

Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, I don't read it as being racist, I just think he has poorly explained what he thinks a global economy means, ie outsourcing to where labour costs are cheaper.

That is not a racist statement or practice, it happens every where and actually is just a sad fact that somewhere a country can do the same job as another for cheaper.

Murrenfan - I Not a racist, are you trying to say that Indians get paid on the same level as western folks? have a look at the airlines in your country and tell me they are on par with the western world!


If anything I should be thanked as what I have suggested if it ever happened would give work to thousands of unemployed Indian pilots! I am a hero if anything.


You are racist for suggesting this be a race issue IMHO.

You are mistaken and confused..all Indian pilots as expats here are paid same as everyone else...pay scales in India are another matter but I daresay if one offered an Indian pilot a job here on a lower pay scale, that pilot would politely show them where to stick it...:ok:

The reason for starting the discussion is not at all intended to offend or upset anyone.


My reason for starting the thread came after reading another thread in the Asia forum about the masses of unemployed Indian pilots.


Now you cannot deny that every voice you hear when coming from an EK call sign is that of the western world, e.g. British or American I am talking about ground 118.35 tower 118.75/119.55 even UAE 124.85 if an EK call sign is talking to ATC it is always a westerner!! always! you cannot deny this!


If EK want global domination and even bigger profits, my question is why don't they take advantage of the unemployment in India and take on the Indian pilots with a lesser salary?


If they did do it, and the Indians were agreeable to a lesser salary can you imagine the cost savings for EK?


Average Salary for an FO with an Indian carrier is $37,000 per year you cant argue that.
Average Salary for an FO with Emirates is $128,000 per year!! you also cant argue this fact!


I am not being a racist, I am just pointing out that these chaps are just as capable as Western pilots, agreed? so why not exploit them


@Ironbutt - that's great they get the same scale!! I don't dispute it, but where are they?!? I don't hear any Indian voices coming from EK call sign!

1) the masses of unemployed Indian pilots are recent CPL grads which do not qualify for here

2) any Indian pilot qualified to fly here would most definitely not accept a lower pay scale

3) your comments besides being asinine are most certainly racist

4) I personally know several senior TRE Indian nationals at EK

now continue on with your absurd observations...and await further response..I'm out

This bloke is either a Troll or a few holes short of a golf course..:ugh:

If it is the latter; the unemployed Indian pilots are all CPL holders, Emirates hire worldwide, sans bias, but you must meet the minimum experience levels.

Ironbutt - I'm sorry but you lose this argument! YOU CANNOT!! deny that there are hardly any Indian voices coming from EK planes!! you cannot!! sorry but have I gone completely insane here?! someone please back me up on this fact!


You cannot speak for other Indian pilots and whether they would or would not take a lower pay scale, you can say you would not accept, but that's you not them sir!


The CPL holders you talk of are the same guys I am talking about...


My point of view is visionary not current, I know the requirements for EK:ugh:


Ironbutt & Scandistrlian - OK so you are telling me with your hand on your heart that there is equal amount of Indian pilots in EK & FZ as those pilots from the Western world? say there are 10,000 pilots in each 5,000 are Indian,Pakistan etc and the other 5,000 are Brits,Yanks,Aussies, Euros etc, that what your saying yes????

Going Manual,

First , the cost of life in India is a lot less than here , so it is one of the reason why Indian pilots are paid less than the EK ones.
Second , the salary you are talking about is not valid for all the Indian companies , some pay a lot more than that for their first officers.
Third , I have been contacted many time by agencies offering a job for an Indian company , so can you explain to e why these Indian pilots are not filling these available job then ?
Fourth , I have Indian fellow pilots in my company and there are paid exactly the same money as any other pilot , I doubt that your suggestion will really please them...

Some good old fashioned mining the cost chain, maybe we could send all our maids to flight school to do 250 hours and then fly for $1500/month

Going Manual, this isn't a flying club, it is a serious international airline with a diverse and highly challenging scope of operation. Minimum experience levels and the cost of hiring professional experienced pilots is assessed against the benefits and risks of lowering experience requirements.

As stated earlier most Indian pilots I know in EK are former Captains and set a very high standard for which they are appropriately remunerated.

But be sure to send your thoughts to EK, I am sure they will value and reward your "visionary" solution, they might even offer you 15 of their "special" tickets as a reward :E

The year is 2040 and planes are much easier to fly and handle


we need a large work force but at the same time as cost effective as possible.




Enter the EK Board of directors AGM
oh remember Going_Manual's thread on employing Indian CPL grads for EK to save 75% on flight crew cost's, I must remember to thank him for the suggestion. we are now on course for global domination


oh and all those other prune members where slagging him off saying oh he's a troll, get a life, your silly that's not in the rule book! "GUILTY GET A NEW RULE BOOK"

He wants an "ICadet" scheme ala CX.

This must be the most stupid topic I have read on this forum :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Benefit withdrawn...

How can you be so crazy as to run a two tier system for doing the same job, that is discriminatory for sure.

The only outcome of that would be that the lower pay scale would soon become the standard and everyone loses except for the company.

Obviously standards would reduce due to massively reduced morale and a lower level of experience.

Perhaps you stick as the rocket scientist that you are!

Going_Manual if you spend your time glued to 118.35 or any other frequency trying to work out nationalities then you are barking up the wrong tree. Try to realise that not all Indians have "Indian accents" I know of 2 Indians with Scottish accents and I work with Brummie Indians as well, whose accents are far from anything you refer to.

If you want to do a survey like that why not ask EK direct? To me this is a pointless unneccessary thread :ugh:

OK well we will all agree that there is equal Indians to westerners in EK!
end of discussing thank you very much for clearing that up.


As I say when I listen to the radio I don't hear any Indian accents, but the chap has assured me that those western voices are infact Indians, so I am at fault, I'm sorry I must look really silly now http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/embarass.gif

Didn't know EK ran p2f?

P2f are paid differently based on agreement that they enter into in return for a rating or some other silly notion...

However, what you are suggesting is a particular nationality is paid less to do the same job but based on nothing other than nationality.

As ridiculous as p2f is, as one sided as it appears, it still remains a contract based on supposed mutual benefits, I don't see that in your example.

You have now removed your post that this refers to....get confused?

Really? I don't know why I don't belive you.

Well as my and other European airlines do. EK could open a 'base' in Delhi and transfer people there on an inferior contract.

Infact why stop at pilots. Let's fire every Brit in every job in the UK, and replace them with an Indian counterpart? It's genius.

The salary is already low at EK saving them a lot of money. It is only attractive due to the tax-free status.

Going manual, by any chance do you work in the area of staff travel? :rolleyes:

Staff travel? errr no I don't I am a 747-200 Captain for Midex.


I am no longer involved in this discussion apprentley I am wrong about EK favouring westerners and that Indian pilots are plentiful in EK so no more to discuss. my point was originally saying there should be more Indians in EK! hardly racist is it :rolleyes:! and also a soloution to the unemployed CPL holders in India that they join EK on reduced salary, its a fair enough comment, I mean they don't have the experience.


IMHO I don't think it is that hard to fly your A380/777 aircrafts, I would even go to say that anyone could do it with the right training.


Anyone could be taught to drive a car, the same goes with flying an airliner, its not so difficult.


Why pilots think they are gods gift to aviation and need huge salary's and need to feel important is beyond me, you know some of the cab drivers in Dubai are on 3k AED per month for doing a similar job, moving people from A to B. I personally feel aviation and pilots should be paid normal salarys for doing normal jobs, these figures of 10k US per month is an outrage in my opinion, I would fly for much less, a fair salary would be 4k US maximum!!


anyways Im done with this thread, I have said my piece if you don't like it that's ok, but you know what....I speak a bit of truth there

CARRY ON!! nothing more to say here except, perhaps if EK stood down all the local pilots then that would save money and more westerners could be employed. Cheaper piloting of the airline was the thread line was it not? Regarding the engineers, we need more people from close continents to help the already struggling line guys, now that would be more proactive GM.

Honestly, regarding Indian pilots, they are here in EK so answer complete. There is just a fact that they are not allowed to talk on the radios as it is designed to annoy people who troll the DXB frequencies and make silly statements on PPRUNE forums.

Midex hires cheap pilots...why worry about the rest of the carriers...

Simply can't believe this guy is a pilot. But he had his 5 minutes of fame anyways. We shouldn't reply anymore. I'm out.
Mfan

Midex Airlines is a cargo airline based in the United Arab Emirates.[1] Licenced for both cargo and passenger services in 2007, the airline concentrates on scheduled cargo services. Passenger service never started. Scheduled cargo service has been operated from Al Ain to Paris ORY for few months and subsequently closed due to lack of freight. A300 fleet grounded in May 2012. All crew members laid off without respecting the UAE labor law and the company has been brought to court to settle the dispute in June 2012. One B747-200F is in Jakarta from 2011 for C check. It is not expected to resume operations anytime soon due to missing spare parts. The two additional B747-200F that Midex announced have been bought on the official website never showed up in the UAE with Midex logo.

Midex Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No way is going manual a professional pilot... I would guess a indian national with a fresh CPL or perhaps just a flight sim pilot....But I do love the wind up.

On a serious note. I have been told that airlines are very, very careful when hiring Indians as unfortunately so many individuals from this nation have forged qualifications or bribed someone to get a licence. A sad state of affairs for the honest guys/girls from India.

The idler - Hey don't slag off Midex we are the UAE number 1 airline and will soon over take EK and EY when our passenger operations start, I have been in talks with management to head up the project so watch this space and weep when you come to me begging for a job on one of our 747-200's!!


we are looking in to restoring the L1011's that are up at RAK and starting a new LoCo service to Jakarta and Hong Kong, new features that would include Boeing sky interior and onboard bar and casino. this is not yet confirmed yet due to loop holes in UAE Gambling laws.


We will see, but don't slag off Midex, we have started small just like EK did, and will flourish with our cost effective plan and the restoration of old classic aircraft!


EK spend 300 million on a 777 and pay over the odds for there western pilots, us at Midex can restore an L1011 and have it good to go for under 10 Million, plus our cost effective crew policy will make us UAE number 1 by 2020

So, It seems the pubs have closed....

Come on! I saw Ultimate Airport Dubai. Plenty of Indians and Pakistanis. Far too many tucking Australians though.

You know I really think this idea has merit. But instead of Indians think of the savings if it was pigmys. Less cloth in uniforms, they might eat less ration wise, less weight leading to fuel savings. This is revolutionary stuff.

The don

A second EK Knighthood to you Sirdon

Personally I think flying is a privilege and lots of people would love to fly. I say we make the pilots pay for the privilege of flying a nice brand new airplane. why pay low wages to Indians when I am sure you can find people around the world to pay you to do the job.

" You know I really think this idea has merit. But instead of Indians think of the savings if it was pigmys. Less cloth in uniforms, they might eat less ration wise, less weight leading to fuel savings. This is revolutionary stuff.

The don "

ROFL ,now this is a style adoptable by somebody a little north.

(oh and btw I really like most of the Indians I know, pilot or not)

It's not a privilege to fly, it's a job, granted a good one that perhaps many would like to have, there's a difference.

Oh pleaseeeeee! World domination wow. I watched a James Bond film this afternoon