Archer,

I guess that chap wasn't currently employed so could start straight away?

TS

Well actually he was working at the time.

There was 2 airbus guys and only 1 received a joining date so, and that's a guess, I think one probably gave them a 1 month notice period while the other one probably said something like "I need at least 4 months" or so...

But, that's only my opinion, didn't speak with him about that.

They are doing CCQ for current airbus rated guys.

A P1 from our airline on 320 Who had 330 P2 experience of over 1000 hours had to do a full TR

320 - 330 CCQ only , still no direct hiring on the 380. Still some full transition onto the 330, 777 seems booked until Oct/Nov same with the 330. 330 - 380 CCQ internal, the training is full on from Jul on wards.

Cheers Fatbus

A320 guys with considerable experience on type do CCQ to A330?
So then what will I do being A330 rated with experience on type?

So...any news? Have any of those who were put into the pool earlier on been given a start date yet?

Nothing yet ( March )

Silence is deafening!
 

Still nothing. With all the 380's turning up this year you would think that they would be starting to drain us, but maybe they've already got people penciled in for all those 330 courses in whichever format and we are surplus to this years requirements. Maybe someone in the know can shed some light for us.......

I'm reading everywhere that courses are full for the rest of the financial year and honestly I'm not familiar with the UAE policy so, can anyone confirm me if this period goes from April 2012 to May 2013? Or... what?

Maybe it's a stupid question but just wondering that.

Thanks!

31 Mar is the end of the fiscal year

Thanks fatbus!

So, I understand that according to some infos they have full courses from now to March 2013.

I think that's not completely correct, can't believe a company like EK, which seems to be changing mind every day, has full courses for the next 8 or 9 months.

According to some info I've got from an email I will say they have full courses until the end of this year. Let's make difference between year 2012 and fiscal year.

Well, if we are into 2013 that puts a lot of us smack bang in the bracket of having to go through the entire process again! Lets just hope that they want us sooner as the thought of having to do it all again doesnt exactly float my boat?

How do others feel about it? Would you put yourself through again? Would certainly be gutted if having spent a year swimming and basically being on hold to then do it again and fail! :{ :ugh:

I would not...
 

If it does not happen, then so be it, I gave it my best try, got selected but then if it falls apart I'll have to look at other options.

Hopefully things are stuck until end of calendar year, not financial year...

Anyone knows when were the last selected?

You'd of thought that 3 months of every stopping would only delay things 3 months later? I hope those at the beginning of the pool are being given dates soon...

to all EK FO wannabes,
I am sure you all know by now that EK is taking DEC's for the last 27 years, most of you know about that but some forget about it after they passed their final line check, so please keep it in your mind or better put a stickie note on your fridge, it would save a lot of bandwidth and disk space for this site.

Not unusual in the past for cabin crew on hold to have to do the process over, so not impossible for you guys, but i would guess they'll find a way to keep you if they want you... after all they invest a lot in the process too. longer induction perhaps..? Tack an extra week for 'arrival formalities' would give training a bit of breathing room wouldn't it? Dont forget that there will be some pencilled in who may be entertaining offers/interviews at several carriers. Often they tend to make things hard & give offers at the same time... circumstances change so i doubt 100% who are successful will end up deciding to come...

Guys this hold file thing is a good thing for those that are in it. As it would appear that those that have not been as competitive as their peers, be it low hours, not not scoring as well, not having the type rating EK is looking for that month, get put in the hold file in stead of getting the thanks but no thanks letter. This means you can be re looked at in 12 months rather than the 2yrs as from years gone past.
8 343s and 4 330s to be handed back by end of March 2013. 5 777 to be handed back next year. Boeing trainers have been told they will be in surplus by Oct.
You can argue Wether its financial year or calender year, but those few months will not make much difference. Keep getting hours, and keep updating. Although you say you won't come back to jump through the hoops, you know you will. The more competative you are the better your chance.
But do ask yourself if you are willing to sit in the right hand seat for 8 to 10 years. Think about how Dec hiring is going to affect you. Things might happen faster but make sure you will be ok if they don't.

The don

They will do what ever they need to with the poolies! Don's post is very factual and pertinent for those thinking of coming

Aveo,

4 years ago hiring was abruptly stopped because the grown ups thought they could make more money by increasing our hours and paying us less.
I do not know if the 1yr was extended or not. Remember also EK did not have the same number of applicants back then as they do now. No-one really knows what is going to happen next week, let alone in 12 months time.

The Don

Don,

Thanks for the updates. I've often found your posts to be some of the most reliable and informative on the boards. One thing that troubles me though, a few posts back you seem to give the impression the hold pool is for people who didn't score high enough to be brought straight through, either for hours, non-relevant ratings and the like. My assessment group had fourteen passes, and thirteen of those are treading water. The one exception was a gent with some currency issues creeping up on him.

This kind of pattern seems to suggest that the pool isn't being used a place for the "almost, but not quite there" crowd, but rather as the name suggest a place to keep successful applicants until a space opens up for them to join. Maybe we should call it "the stack" and start issuing expected approach times?

In times gone by maybe the pool was used as a kind of reserve tank incase people dropped out of courses or took other jobs, such that EK could dip in take people to shore up the numbers when necessary. But for now it really looks to me like they are trying to hold on to some candidates that they have no other place to keep. Your thoughts on that, since you seem to be much more in touch with the inner workings of Emirates than a lot of others?

Also with the departure of the aircraft you mentioned, how do you think the overall fleet size will change this year? I read somewhere that every new plane means 26 new pilots, although I no evidence to back that up. And finally, since the new joiners are coming to replace those moving to a more exalted position in life (left seat, A380, etc) it would be nice to know both when any changes are happening inside EK, and what the lead time for training new pilots is. That way we can try to work backwards to an approximate start date if there is one in the future. Thanks for any info you might have.

AP2

AP,

I have unfortunately have no insider information, other than asking questions of the recruiters etc.
The numbers per airframe depends on if it is Ultra long range, or not. It was once mentioned that EK crewed 10 crews per ULR, and between 6 to 8 crews for the others. I really don't know what the current state of play is. If I divide the number of aircraft by number of pilots I come up with 18 pilots (9 crews) per aircraft. But this includes management pilots etc so I don't know how accurate that would be. I also have no clue as to the aircraft configuration of new deliveries.
I have not got the numbers of deliveries for next year, but, we have 176 aircraft now and have been told the fleet will be somewhere between 260 to 280 by 2025.

Sorry I can't be more help for you.

The Don

24 777s delivered this year with 6 more Boeings coming next year. Not sure about the 380. I believe it was somewhere around 8-10 this year. As Don mentioned remaining 343's to be parked by next spring. Can't imagine people will be in the pool much longer than 6 months...my $.02

Previous hold pool.
 

Aveo,

The last hold pool I think you are referring to, was in 2008. That was at a time when there wasn't a 30 tonne requirement, let alone a 55 tonne requirement.

From my understanding, the "pool" had about 120 in it - some with international "heavy" time, some without and others with everything in between.

Those found most suitable to Emirates' requirements at the time were taken from the "pool". The rest were told they had to re-interview at a later date (that date or any extension not known to me).

I do know at least one that had updated their online applications and were given interview dates to choose from, as recently as early 2012 (these were deferred due to their other commitments). So, after 4 years, they still had their applications "active".

Don't know if any of that information is helpful, but good luck.

Update on fleet-specific hiring? Still A330 for all newbies?
 

So, with more 777s coming and A380 deliveries questionable, at what point will hiring into the 777 begin again? Any estimates? Last I heard was that 777 training was backed-up for months and newbies could assume they would get A330 assignments - still true? Sounds like applicants with only Boeing time were also getting Airbus (previous experience was not an issue).

So, any estimates on when 777 will become an option again for new hires?

Cheers for any updates!

2 new hired going to B777 1 starting this month and the other in September, and 6 going into Airbus 330 starting July/August, the Airbus guys all have Airbus experience before 330/320, the 320 got QCC to 330. the Boeing guys are x- 737 and 767.

all the 8 did the selection in April and been offered courses after 2 weeks in the pool (I am the 9th one who pass but still waiting for start date),

TOGA

Toga,

Do you happen to know if they were currently employed or not? What is your current situation re notice period if i may ask? Just trying to get a handle on things since there are many others who have been in the pool longer..... :(
Thanks

in my group all employed, dont know how EK make choice from the pool! :ugh: waiting since April :{
but look forward for a start date with EK:)

Waiting since Feb! And a bit peeved to read the above :ugh::ugh:

Kernow,

I've been in the pool since February too (albeit late feb), but there is no doubt there are a lot of parameters coming into play when they pick someone out of the pool.

It will soon be 6 months for us, another 6 to go max so we should know before long, specially as some of us have to give 3 months notice to our current employers.

If nothing happens by late summer early Fall for me, I'll have to look at other options. But hey, this is a long way from now, no stress...

TOGA737

Do you know if there is any difference between these guys and you? I mean, did they call first unemployed guys?
Or some difference in the notice period? What about the ex 737 driver, NG or CL?

Just trying to figure out how they choose from the pool.

I'm unemployed now, no notice period required and about 3k hours on the 737NG. Assessed early May. I just hope the NG experience gives me a chance for the 777 :hmm:

Ditto :ugh:

These 2 777 and 6 A330... FOs or CAs?

The last on the seniority list is 12 - 4 DEC's 8 fo 's and a mix of 777/330 think it was 2 dec and 6 fo's 330 and 2 and 2 on the 777.

TOGA737 you say they A320 guys got CCQed onto A330, what did the A330 guys do? The full course? Only company indoctrination?

@ safelife, I don't know what type of course will be given to the 330 guys, all I know they got a start date on the Airbus, however I know the 320 guys got ccq into 330. (I think not any 320 PILOT can get ccq into 330, I am not an Airbus pilot but I heard some 320 guys got full type rating 330, (not in my selection group) but I am not sure)

@ground2fltdec 2 CPT and 6 FO

@archer, the x-737 was flying mix NG and CL

330 pilots are doing the 320 - 330 CCQ to keep it simple

Thanks for the information. Do you know if these guys were taken from the pool, or from before the delays started.

Cheers

EK Hold Pool (FO's)
 

Toga737

Cheers! Good luck with your waiting