Pif Paf, I think it might be more of a generational then a type rating thing. Emirates are recruiting ever younger FOs and some (by no means all, be certainly some) come with a certain Millennial "attitude". (As an example, look at the trouble some of them get themselves into on social media despite being warned about the company line) They are blissfully unaware of what they don't know.
This can be seen in an even more extreme way in the cabin where experienced Pursers and Supervisors report an increasing "you can't tell me what to do" trend with the new joiners. Short of increasing experience levels (and that will never happen), and therefore age, I don't know what the answer is. |
I second that emotion.
When it began I don't know but after the last few decades sitting in the back of the sim I can say there is most certainly a trend towards candidates who are satisfied with merely a passing grade, retaining no visible interest in refining their skills. It has certainly caused me to wonder how far down that road we can go before the profession itself becomes something unrecognizable.. |
Dropp, the "profession" is already turing into "just a job" for many.
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I'm pretty sure EK have 200hr cadets regularly joining onto the 777 fleet so not sure why guys from turboprops with thousands of hrs are deemed a risk. Why such anti turboprop sentiment? Back in the 60s airlines had 200hr cadets in the cockpits of 707s and 720s flying transatlantic. Those flying 737s or 320s for ryanair/easyjet are accused of buying their way into aviation and not having a clue because they've never flown 'the real stuff' (usually referring to turboprops), then those that did fly the turboprops are accused of having insufficient skills simply for the fact they are flying a tp. You can never win.
Is this how bitter some people have become? Just because someone hasn't followed the exact career path that you followed, doesn't make them inferior. If anything, pretty much any instructor I've ever had has said the bigger the aircraft the more automation is on board and the easier to operate it becomes, especially compared to an ATR or Q400, so I'd simmer down. It wasn't a 2000hr former turboprop guy that caused the crash of the century, rather he had all the experience you guys claim is essential and heaven forbid anyone ever touch a widebody without meeting your personal past requirements :hmm: |
Originally Posted by Officer Kite
(Post 10561186)
I'm pretty sure EK have 200hr cadets regularly joining onto the 777 fleet so not sure why guys from turboprops with thousands of hrs are deemed a risk. Why such anti turboprop sentiment? Back in the 60s airlines had 200hr cadets in the cockpits of 707s and 720s flying transatlantic. Those flying 737s or 320s for ryanair/easyjet are accused of buying their way into aviation and not having a clue because they've never flown 'the real stuff' (usually referring to turboprops), then those that did fly the turboprops are accused of having insufficient skills simply for the fact they are flying a tp. You can never win.
Is this how bitter some people have become? Just because someone hasn't followed the exact career path that you followed, doesn't make them inferior. If anything, pretty much any instructor I've ever had has said the bigger the aircraft the more automation is on board and the easier to operate it becomes, especially compared to an ATR or Q400, so I'd simmer down. It wasn't a 2000hr former turboprop guy that caused the crash of the century, rather he had all the experience you guys claim is essential and heaven forbid anyone ever touch a widebody without meeting your personal past requirements :hmm: Which crash of the century are you referring to? Wasn't 521 a former cadet? |
I din't know where to ask this question, for layovers in Milan, which hotel do the crew members stay in?
The flight from DXB - MXP - JFK, the crew gets changed in Milan or the whole crew goes to JFK? |
Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
(Post 10561406)
Which crash of the century are you referring to? Wasn't 521 a former cadet?
A bad example actually, if anything 521 is an example of what's wrong with airline training now a days and not about the crew. Just curious, What do you folks want to accomplish by degrading your fellow pilots? |
Originally Posted by Slash787
(Post 10562490)
I din't know where to ask this question, for layovers in Milan, which hotel do the crew members stay in?
The flight from DXB - MXP - JFK, the crew gets changed in Milan or the whole crew goes to JFK? |
I stand corrected (facepalm) |
Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
(Post 10561406)
Which crash of the century are you referring to? Wasn't 521 a former cadet?
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 10563515)
Well that was obvious.
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Dom [QUOTE][Wasn't the F/O very experienced with a lot of time on the 777 and with the right background according to some of you?/QUOTE] Im sorry, but last I heard it was the Captain who was at the controls, and the fo was ex qantas therefore not a lot of time of the 777. If (if the final report is ever released) it turns out that the Captain was the handling pilot and had both paws on the control yoke on the go around - wellllll - pretty hard to blame the fo. In the long run, I don’t want to cast dispersions on any aircrew, and I am not, for one second, denigrating the skill levels of cadets, but here is the reality - experience levels have dropped exponentially, and the industry is making do with that, the accountants are making do with that, but the long term safety of the airline is unquestionably jeopardised by the ever decreasing experience levels of new joiners and new captains. |
Hey guys, i got a reply from emirates, saying they wanna set up a 5-10 mins phone call with me. I am wondering if that's a normal practice or something with my application?
Anyone who experienced the same before? what do i expect during that phone call? Thanks a lot for everyone's input and words !! |
Yes it is . |
what sort of questions they are gonna ask ?
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Originally Posted by runway07
(Post 10570968)
Hey guys, i got a reply from emirates, saying they wanna set up a 5-10 mins phone call with me. I am wondering if that's a normal practice or something with my application?
Anyone who experienced the same before? what do i expect during that phone call? Thanks a lot for everyone's input and words !! When did you submit your online application |
I submitted my application on 13/08/2019 for the accelerated A380, six weeks and no reply, is that normal 11200 total on A320 5300 as captain |
What are the negatives in your view? we're considering the move as a family with a 5 and 7 year old
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Originally Posted by YSR1981
(Post 10573820)
I submitted my application on 13/08/2019 for the accelerated A380, six weeks and no reply, is that normal 11200 total on A320 5300 as captain |
Originally Posted by Gemma Barry
(Post 10580105)
What are the negatives in your view?
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Originally Posted by givemewings
(Post 10581560)
...you must be new here. . :E
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Is it true EK have dropped the BMI restriction for pilots. Asking for another fat c@nt who looks exactly like me!
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I believe it's a GCAA thing. |
Originally Posted by fatbus
(Post 10584517)
I believe it's a GCAA thing. |
Thanks very much.
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Originally Posted by tonker
(Post 10584266)
Is it true EK have dropped the BMI restriction for pilots. Asking for another fat c@nt who looks exactly like me!
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Anyone know the reason why they say you must use your US or Australian Passports if you held either over other nationalities held?
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ATR72 to Emirates
Just wondering if my type rating would be a problem. Is it ok to apply EK with turboprop type ratings? Anyone know information if there's first officers from propellers?
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Originally Posted by nowayman
(Post 10587335)
Anyone know the reason why they say you must use your US or Australian Passports if you held either over other nationalities held?
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Originally Posted by wingsover
(Post 10587912)
Just wondering if my type rating would be a problem. Is it ok to apply EK with turboprop type ratings? Anyone know information if there's first officers from propellers?
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Cadet pilot program
Hi guys, a friend who he's a UAE national and had just completed his cadet training told me that they have started accepting internationals. Pilots at EK how true is it? I've been to the website it still open for nationals alone.
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Hello all, I recently passed my assessment at Emirates and been told they’ll proceed with the rest of the approvals. Does anyone know what that actually means and how long does this usually take? Also has anyone been rejected after having passed the assessment in a Dubai? Thanks in Advance :) |
Once you pass everything your application then goes to management for final approval. Falling at the final hurdle is rare as far as I am aware but it can happen and has to a friend of mine. |
Originally Posted by Emma Royds
(Post 10590388)
Once you pass everything your application then goes to management for final approval. Falling at the final hurdle is rare as far as I am aware but it can happen and has to a friend of mine. Just out of curiosity, what happened to your friend after they got rejected? How long did he/she have to wait to reapply? |
Originally Posted by ManualFlight787
(Post 10591875)
Thanks for that info Emma...I’m just patiently waiting for my approval now. Just out of curiosity, what happened to your friend after they got rejected? How long did he/she have to wait to reapply? |
Originally Posted by Raski
(Post 10592596)
after how many days they have told you passed everything mate? Thanks Your medical has to be approved before they can complete the approvals...I had extra medical tests to do so my approval has fallen behind. |
Originally Posted by MaxOne777
(Post 10588267)
Hi guys, a friend who he's a UAE national and had just completed his cadet training told me that they have started accepting internationals. Pilots at EK how true is it? I've been to the website it still open for nationals alone.
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I recently progressed through all the assessment stages in Dubai. A week after I returned I saw that my medical was approved and a day after that I got an application unsuccessful and apply again after two years email. So it is possible to get a No after "passing" in Dubai and the re-apply period seems to be 2 years, but I have heard of guys applying again after 6 months and getting another assessment opportunity. |
It's not only supply and demand but also it's global demographics . Experience levels of applications change overnight and also dictate who gets offered a job. That being said for those who take the job be very prepared for everything to change many times . No one is ever promised anything! |
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