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Macarto 22nd May 2019 02:33

Looking to find out when accommodation allowance will be reinstated into the contracts and what is the minimum number of consecutive off days on an average month?

Fuel-Off 22nd May 2019 04:03

Accommodation allowance won't be reinstated in the near or mid term (don't think ever really...). So long as there are vacancies in company accommodation pilots will be assigned to those. Max consecutive days off in a row are 5 provided you are awarded that particular bid. Most guys bid for 5 days off at the end of the month, then 5 days off at the beginning of the next month to get a 10 day weekend. But the boss says when it comes to bidding the company requirements come first. Read into that as you will.

Fuel-Off :ok:

BigGeordie 22nd May 2019 09:17

Macarto, if you are thinking of renting a crash pad in Dubai and commuting then forget it. The company will do everything it can to stop you and the rosters make it impossible.

Pif Paf 23rd May 2019 10:37

Commuting - haha
Accommodation allowance - haha
5 days off at the end of the month with 5 days off at the beginning of the following month, 10 days - haha
getting the flights you bid for - haha
support from management - haha
quick command - haha

you want any of the above - haha

Still think EK is wonderful - haha, you’re just the type they’re looking for!!!!

PPRuNeUser0178 25th May 2019 08:45

Hey, does anyone have any good links for the personalty tests, did the ones of latest pilot jobs plenty with no issues, been out for selection passed everything apart from this which I didn’t fail, but gave an “invalid” result, twice. I answered honestly and didn’t dwell on anything, didn’t over think it and didnt give answers that I thought they would want to hear so am confused. They want me to come back in 12 weeks to do only that bit again, so I’d like to practice more?

av8tordude 29th May 2019 13:21

Housing allowance
 
My wife is a EK cabin crew and she receives housing allowance. On the EK website, it states "Available for local recruits currently in privately purchased or rental accommodation or employees who purchase property in Dubai."

A couple of questions...
1. Is local recruit define as a UAE National or candidates residing in UAE?
2. My wife works as a Cabin Crew and she receives housing allowance, If I join, how is it determine who receives housing allowance (Pilot or Cabin Crew)? I know we both will not receive housing allowance.

thank you for reply.

PS...if you like to respond, please stay on the subject. Thank you kindly

dvhelicopters 29th May 2019 20:11


Originally Posted by av8tordude (Post 10481986)
My wife is a EK cabin crew and she receives housing allowance. On the EK website, it states "Available for local recruits currently in privately purchased or rental accommodation or employees who purchase property in Dubai."

A couple of questions...
1. Is local recruit define as a UAE National or candidates residing in UAE?
2. My wife works as a Cabin Crew and she receives housing allowance, If I join, how is it determine who receives housing allowance (Pilot or Cabin Crew)? I know we both will not receive housing allowance.

thank you for reply.

PS...if you like to respond, please stay on the subject. Thank you kindly

I was recently in Dubai for an assessment since my wife is employed with EK as a cabin crew. You are only entitled to one housing allowance per family, whichever is the highest. I hope this answer your question.

Thegreenmachine 29th May 2019 20:26


Originally Posted by ezydriver (Post 10479175)
Hey, does anyone have any good links for the personalty tests, did the ones of latest pilot jobs plenty with no issues, been out for selection passed everything apart from this which I didn’t fail, but gave an “invalid” result, twice. I answered honestly and didn’t dwell on anything, didn’t over think it and didnt give answers that I thought they would want to hear so am confused. They want me to come back in 12 weeks to do only that bit again, so I’d like to practice more?

Sorry not my fight but couldn't resist. That's probably where you went wrong...

felixthecat 30th May 2019 10:43

The housing allowance is only available now to new joiners if you buy, ie as a new joiner you will not get an allowance to rent. If your wife has the allowance and she was under the terms where she could rent then I’m sure that will be all you will get, unless you buy.

A local is a UAE national.

UB6IB9 26th Jun 2019 10:43

Gents,

Have any Boeing guys recently joined accelerated command on the 380? They don't specifically list Airbus time as a requirement. Also is the assessment somewhat different; addition of a LOFT ect?

PM's are welcome.
Best of luck to all.
Thanks for your time.

Python27 26th Jun 2019 12:08


Originally Posted by UB6IB9 (Post 10503224)
Gents,

Have any Boeing guys recently joined accelerated command on the 380? They don't specifically list Airbus time as a requirement. Also is the assessment somewhat different; addition of a LOFT ect?

PM's are welcome.
Best of luck to all.
Thanks for your time.

Fool's gold; another beduine trick to attract unaware Western people for the sand pit...

HOOROO 28th Jun 2019 07:43

Provident Scheme and End of Service Benefit
 
Hi Guys and Girls,

I’ve read through the thread and please excuse my question for being glaringly obvious if that is the case but a lot of people say that you can’t save a lot on the salary whilst living in Dubai due to expenses and inflation etc. I’m wondering what the point of saving is anyway when you have the provident scheme or end of service benefit pay out when you leave? If someone has done in the vicinity of 10 years service then could they expect a substantial payout? Or even 5 years as soon as the bond is up?
Am I missing something??
Cheers

aviation_enthus 28th Jun 2019 16:32


Originally Posted by HOOROO (Post 10504553)
Hi Guys and Girls,

I’ve read through the thread and please excuse my question for being glaringly obvious if that is the case but a lot of people say that you can’t save a lot on the salary whilst living in Dubai due to expenses and inflation etc. I’m wondering what the point of saving is anyway when you have the provident scheme or end of service benefit pay out when you leave? If someone has done in the vicinity of 10 years service then could they expect a substantial payout? Or even 5 years as soon as the bond is up?
Am I missing something??
Cheers

Long story short, yes you could just walk away with the Provident Fund payout and be happy with that.

BUT I think it’s intention is to cover your lack of pension/401K/superannuation after spending so long working at EK. Personally ours will just be going into superannuation back in Aus to cover the lack of contributions from working overseas.

As as for the ‘not being able to save’ comment. Another poster on this thread summed it up better than I could;

“if you can save money in your current job/salary, you’ll be able to save on an EK f/o salary”

On the other side, if you find yourself unable to save something, no matter how small, on your current salary you’ll probably spend everything here. Make no mistake, Dubai is expensive. Once you fall into the trap of eating out a few times, buying a fancy car on finance, getting a maid, sending your kids to a school that charges more than the Education Allowance etc, you WILL have nothing left at the end of the month.

Personally we are able to stick to a budget, have kids at a good school that fits in the allowance, no maid, one car and we save a respectable amount every month. But we came here with a goal to pay down our mortgage as much as possible before we leave Everyone has different goals.

AbSurD 28th Jun 2019 18:34

Hi, everyone! Couldn't find it here, but really in need - where can i find "online application number" which starts from 100? THX!!!

HOOROO 28th Jun 2019 22:58


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 10504898)


Long story short, yes you could just walk away with the Provident Fund payout and be happy with that.

BUT I think it’s intention is to cover your lack of pension/401K/superannuation after spending so long working at EK. Personally ours will just be going into superannuation back in Aus to cover the lack of contributions from working overseas.

As as for the ‘not being able to save’ comment. Another poster on this thread summed it up better than I could;

“if you can save money in your current job/salary, you’ll be able to save on an EK f/o salary”

On the other side, if you find yourself unable to save something, no matter how small, on your current salary you’ll probably spend everything here. Make no mistake, Dubai is expensive. Once you fall into the trap of eating out a few times, buying a fancy car on finance, getting a maid, sending your kids to a school that charges more than the Education Allowance etc, you WILL have nothing left at the end of the month.

Personally we are able to stick to a budget, have kids at a good school that fits in the allowance, no maid, one car and we save a respectable amount every month. But we came here with a goal to pay down our mortgage as much as possible before we leave Everyone has different goals.

Thank you so much for your reply, it helped a lot. We are thinking of taking the plunge with that exact goal in mind of trying to get ahead with mortgage etc. This thread makes for very interesting reading. I can honestly attest that new shiny widebody jet syndrome is a thing.

aaa333 29th Jun 2019 05:24

Hi guys what would an FO salary be after 5 years assuming no command yet and how much would the provident fund payout be at that stage? I read somewhere about completing 7 years at Ek to be eligible for the pension (correct me if I’m wrong), what would the value of that be?

Thanks!

aviation_enthus 29th Jun 2019 13:20


Originally Posted by HOOROO (Post 10505066)


Thank you so much for your reply, it helped a lot. We are thinking of taking the plunge with that exact goal in mind of trying to get ahead with mortgage etc. This thread makes for very interesting reading. I can honestly attest that new shiny widebody jet syndrome is a thing.

HOOROO, you’re welcome mate!

Just a word of caution:

I too had a reasonable desire to fly all over the world in a big jet. It was a ‘scratch I had to itch’. 😂
Emirates will definitely help you achieve that! However, be aware that everyone has to go home eventually (I’m guessing AUS/NZ for you). That can be for various reasons completely seperate from flying, wife, family etc. So the eternal question you will always have to answer is what will you do when you leave?

Are you happy to go home and rejoin Jetstar/Virgin/Tiger as an f/o and if you’re in your late 40’s by then, potentially sitting in the RHS for the rest of your career?

Basically the decision to head overseas takes you out of the seniority system back home. So yes you’ll make some money, see the world and hopefully enjoy it, but when you go back.... it’ll be back to the bottom of the pile. Personally I can live with that, but some people can’t. Then they end up feeling stuck at EK and come to hate the place.

HOOROO 5th Jul 2019 23:00


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 10505467)


HOOROO, you’re welcome mate!

Just a word of caution:

I too had a reasonable desire to fly all over the world in a big jet. It was a ‘scratch I had to itch’. 😂
Emirates will definitely help you achieve that! However, be aware that everyone has to go home eventually (I’m guessing AUS/NZ for you). That can be for various reasons completely seperate from flying, wife, family etc. So the eternal question you will always have to answer is what will you do when you leave?

Are you happy to go home and rejoin Jetstar/Virgin/Tiger as an f/o and if you’re in your late 40’s by then, potentially sitting in the RHS for the rest of your career?

Basically the decision to head overseas takes you out of the seniority system back home. So yes you’ll make some money, see the world and hopefully enjoy it, but when you go back.... it’ll be back to the bottom of the pile. Personally I can live with that, but some people can’t. Then they end up feeling stuck at EK and come to hate the place.

Aviation_enthus I asked in another thread but no answer so far. With a young family, do you live in company accomodation? Even if you don’t, do you know what site is better? From what I can tell, we would be put in either Meydan Heights or Meydan South. One looks quite dated and the other quite new. Any info or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

aviation_enthus 5th Jul 2019 23:17


Originally Posted by HOOROO (Post 10510818)


Aviation_enthus I asked in another thread but no answer so far. With a young family, do you live in company accomodation? Even if you don’t, do you know what site is better? From what I can tell, we would be put in either Meydan Heights or Meydan South. One looks quite dated and the other quite new. Any info or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers

Yes with kids it’s likely you’ll be put in Meydan South or Heights. I know of some married f/o’s with no kids that have also managed to get a villa.

Both places have advantages and disadvantages. Heights is older but has a pool/gym/shops and reasonable park with a playground and grass. South has more parks and playgrounds but less greenery. You’ll find the South villas are a bit bigger and tend to have a bit more outdoor space as well. You can also get one with a park straight out the back door. The Heights villas only get a small courtyard front and back. There is also a school right next to South but Heights has a school only 5-10 min drive away anyway.

South does have a community centre BUT I’ll just say that it’s finished but still requires a few ‘tweaks’ before it’s open properly.

If you don’t get the complex want, I’d definitely ask if you can move. Both complexes have plenty of empty villas and current staff have moved both within and between the different complexes.

HOOROO 7th Jul 2019 02:00

Thanks again for the info, much appreciated. Cheers

ZAOR 28th Jul 2019 19:27

Hello people....anyone recently joined EK and able to advise me the length of time from submitting application to starting with EK..just looking for approximate figure... and appreciate can vary...thanks in advance...(PM welcome).

roll_over 6th Aug 2019 14:27

I seem to remember someone wrote quite a long and detailed post regarding the fleet expansion or lack thereof and the time to command? Does anyone have it to hand, I can't seem to find it?


Thanks

HornetDrvr 16th Aug 2019 04:05

Yeah, don't go! I can't believe people are still considering working at that place. I was there precisely 11 months and I can tell you all the negative things you read on here about EK are, for once, spot on.

Cptgreen 19th Aug 2019 12:33

Been to Dubai theses days and they also spoke about the semmer villas which i got to see from the outside, they seem to be much better than the others mentioned, are they really for pilots and how possible to get one? Golden girl?
Thanks in advance.

ufon 26th Aug 2019 10:04

Hi guys, I am flying corporate (left seat, plane with 14 tons). Unfortunately I still do not meet the minimum requirements for Emirates and I will need another 1,5 years to fly the required hours. Do you know of somebody that got hired even with less hours than the required one? Should I give a try or is it a waste of time?
Many thanks in advance

Yorkshire_Pudding 26th Aug 2019 11:37


Originally Posted by ufon (Post 10554385)
Hi guys, I am flying corporate (left seat, plane with 14 tons). Unfortunately I still do not meet the minimum requirements for Emirates and I will need another 1,5 years to fly the required hours. Do you know of somebody that got hired even with less hours than the required one? Should I give a try or is it a waste of time?
Many thanks in advance

If you can, get to one of the recruitment roadshows held on a regular basis and speak to the recruitment team face to face.

ufon 26th Aug 2019 13:38


Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding (Post 10554465)


If you can, get to one of the recruitment roadshows held on a regular basis and speak to the recruitment team face to face.

Thank you a lot

wingsover 26th Aug 2019 16:01

GCAA medical test
 
This includes eye test and x-rays. Can anybody tell me what kind of x-ray are these? I had my shoulder joint medical screws 2 yrs ago, there are 4 of them. Already simulator checked by a DGCA doctor and i passed with satisfactory. Is this would be a problem for EK? I need the details of what x-rays they perform and in which part of the body.

Thanks

airbuspilot944 27th Aug 2019 20:58


Originally Posted by wingsover (Post 10554638)
This includes eye test and x-rays. Can anybody tell me what kind of x-ray are these? I had my shoulder joint medical screws 2 yrs ago, there are 4 of them. Already simulator checked by a DGCA doctor and i passed with satisfactory. Is this would be a problem for EK? I need the details of what x-rays they perform and in which part of the body.

Thanks

I recently did my medical with them. The X ray consist of chest only. They make u stand and tell you to take a deep breath and hold it hardly takes a second or two.

T-6 28th Aug 2019 12:52

777 DEC
 
Any time soon ? Any idea ? Thx

Pif Paf 29th Aug 2019 05:42


Originally Posted by T-6 (Post 10556192)
Any time soon ? Any idea ? Thx

DEC unlikely, join the queue waiting for upgrades.
Plenty of blinkered people with selective hearing who joined knowing better than those of us here all still waiting.

those waiting for upgrade have “London Syndrome”

rmcdonal 30th Aug 2019 08:40

The x-ray is a chest x-ray only to check for TB.
You can pass the medical with bits of metal holding you together, it is not a limitation on the GCAA medical unless it effects your abilities. If you set of the metal detectors however you will need to get a note from the doc to show security.

Fuel-Off 30th Aug 2019 09:34


Well, highly possible. But you'd piss off a whole bunch of prop FO's who are waiting for a chance to upgrade on a widebody worldwide operation with less than 3000 total Jet time
Wouldn't be an EK thread without some bashing directed at the turboprop drivers :ugh:

If the pilots' seniority allows for upgrade, they meet the requirements for upgrade, have the correct attitude for upgrade and pass the upgrade, then they should be allowed to upgrade. It's all part of the same Check and Training system that ALL pilots are trained and examined by.

Fuel-Off
:ok:

The Dominican 30th Aug 2019 11:56


Originally Posted by Fuel-Off (Post 10557729)
Wouldn't be an EK thread without some bashing directed at the turboprop drivers :ugh:

Interesting enough, In all my years of airline training the folks that seem to do better at actually handling the A/C have been the Turboprop and Helicopter pilots. Go figure!

Now the question is, Is the Fast Track to Command offer just a hiring tool? Are there folks that come in with experience that have been upgraded in that 7 month timeline?

Just curious, no need for the EK hating brigade to get their panties in a bunch! I'm just trying to gauge the level of fairness in the process, for example, here in Japan everyone seems to think that it is a straight forward process and that once your seniority number hits, you will go through the process and with hard work and dedication you will make it, when in fact it is more about playing the culture game than anything else! Resulting in some individuals that make it to the left seat that shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane, little alone sitting on the left seat, and some very good operators that are given a very hard time at the "Whack a Mole" table just because of one rogue checker that hates his life, so he has to make sure you hate yours! That is simply the truth!

Same, same or is it a fair but difficult process?

Again, relax with the hate mail, not looking for a job, just curious!

Fuel-Off 30th Aug 2019 19:15

The first batch of TP drivers actually had far more experience (most had 7000hrs+ when they were hired, most were 5+ year captains, some were examiners from their previous airline) than the average Ryanair or easyJet pilot. Does that not count for something?

(FYI not one TP driver has failed an EK type rating)

Fuel-Off :ok:



fatbus 30th Aug 2019 23:47

FUel Off , where do you get your info from ? You're wrong !

The Dominican 31st Aug 2019 14:30

EK is not a legacy airline which allows low experienced FOs to sit in the right seat for 10-15 years and gain experience that way.

Where is that the case these days? Unless the airline is stagnant, that is simply not the case any longer! We want to think that this is the normal progression but the reality is that the PFT generation of 10 to 15 years ago are now the trainers at many airlines around the world, these are individuals that learned to fly in full glass aircrafts and at 350 hours sat on the right seat of a fully automated airliner and after 4 or 5 years are now on the left! What kind of experience do they have to teach?
Right now you have 5,000 total time captains flying wide bodies with 350 hour F/O's in many airlines around the world, so if that is your parameter not to fly on an airline, you are limited to airlines that are stagnant because not even at the majors in the US is like that anymore, How many TP pilots get hired at United or Delta every month?


The experience levels in the left seat are plummeting, so who are the next generation of even less experienced FOs going to learn from? The turbo prop driver?

Quite frankly, I'll take a TP driver as a trainer than a PFT wonder boy anyday!

prerequisite should at least be some sort of previous widebody, maybe international type ops of a similar nature.

Is that the case at any of the ACMI operators? Or mainline US carriers? You can't possibly tell me that you can call the training you get at Delta or United as "Comprehensive"

I know many pilots that their first international experience (outside of Mexico or Canada) have been on the right seat of a 767 after 6 weeks of training including OJT...

We might make an argument that maybe this is not ideal a d I tend to agree, but EK is far from being unique on that end.

aviation_enthus 31st Aug 2019 20:29


Originally Posted by directimped (Post 10558378)
You are missing the point. EK is not a legacy airline which allows low experienced FOs to sit in the right seat for 10-15 years and gain experience that way. Instead you drag yourself from one duty to the next then hope to upgrade after 3 to 5 years. The experience levels in the left seat are plummeting, so who are the next generation of even less experienced FOs going to learn from? The turbo prop driver?

Total hours don't mean anything, but for an operation like EK , prerequisite should at least be some sort of previous widebody, maybe international type ops of a similar nature. Unless of course there was a robust training programme in place, which there isn't. I'm not at EK anymore, so I don't care, but I certainly won't be putting myself or my family on EK again after what I have seen at that place :yuk:

No it’s you who is missing the point. The experience levels of new hires at EK was lowered years ago when the changed it to allow CRJ/ERJ drivers, then Ryanair/Easyjet f/o’s with 2500 hours. If you think T/P drivers are the ‘tip of the iceberg’ with lowering experience levels, that ship sailed long ago!

As was stated to you, doesn’t having former command/Check pilot/training experience mean anything? Yes it’s not about total hours, but if someone is capable of that level in a reasonable airline, I’ll happily sit next to them without ‘widebody international’ experience.

box 1st Sep 2019 17:36


Originally Posted by aviation_enthus (Post 10558859)


No it’s you who is missing the point. The experience levels of new hires at EK was lowered years ago when the changed it to allow CRJ/ERJ drivers, then Ryanair/Easyjet f/o’s with 2500 hours. If you think T/P drivers are the ‘tip of the iceberg’ with lowering experience levels, that ship sailed long ago!

As was stated to you, doesn’t having former command/Check pilot/training experience mean anything? Yes it’s not about total hours, but if someone is capable of that level in a reasonable airline, I’ll happily sit next to them without ‘widebody international’ experience.

Pathetic comment. 737/A320/CRJ/ERJ/TP FOs (or CAs) are not sufficiently qualified to fly just another airplane?

Pif Paf 2nd Sep 2019 06:28


Originally Posted by box (Post 10559374)


Pathetic comment. 737/A320/CRJ/ERJ/TP FOs (or CAs) are not sufficiently qualified to fly just another airplane?

i think t’s more about the attitude they bring!

If they’re willing to learn then great, but too many think they know it all and don’t listen. They forget worldwide flying is very different to doing small hops around whichever region they come from.

I learnt from very experienced guys when I was new to commercial flying. But these days at EK there is a distinct lack of experience in the LHS, add that to new guys who think they know it all,= potential problem.

yes they might be able to fly the aircraft well but there’s more to it than that!.....
just my perspective!..

PS why people are still joining perplexes me!


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