Career Progression
 

King Fifi - Most of what you said above is right, but according to the ops bulletin, here is what it says:

The 330 remains the principle 1st upgrade path.

The 320 will be used when necessary to provide an additional upgrade path. There will be 18 upgrades by the end of December, the majority of which will be on the 320. This is to correct the shortage on the 320 in the near term.

First Officers will bid for 330 or 320 upgrade as they see fit - if you don't want a 320 upgrade then wait where you are until the 330 upgrade comes to your seniority.

After 500 hours PIC on 320 (or 330 if that's what you upgraded on) then you will do the CCQ for MFF to the other type.

The goal of all this is to fix the shortage of pilots on the 320 since they believe this will provide a faster path to the left seat on the 320 (makes sense to me).

Whether or not all new hires go to 320 was not addressed in the policy change, so that remains to be seen.

I view this policy change as a good one since it will allow upgrade opportunities to more junior First Officers when senior First Officers choose to avoid the 320 as an initial upgrade and wait for the 330 to come first.

in your dream?
 

The 330 remains the principle 1st upgrade path!!!

"in your dream!!! so sleep well"


Meaning what? That is what the bulletin says.

Are you saying you don't think the policy will remain? Change is the nature of this business and well, if I had a dollar for every policy change by airline management in the interest of cost cutting that has happened during my career then I would be a rich man and no longer flying airplanes for a living, but enjoying my retirement. That is just something one has to get used to in this business.

The A320 captains/F/O's starting there CCQ A320-A330 tomorrow have just had crew scheduling call them with less than 24 hours notice that their CCQ has been canceled tomorrow for the 5th month running. :ugh:

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ugh::ugh::ugh :

poor guys...what a disappointment that must have been

SAD! but not surprised :ugh::=

No surprises either. Perfect proof that the new career progression policy, plan, outlook, b.s. (whatever you want to call it) is yet another bunch of b.s. jammed into our throats to shut us up until at least the new year. For every 5 that resign, they barely manage to scrape 1 or 2 up. How in the world will the MFF numbers ever go up if we never have any classes, never mind the trainers to train. Or am I totally missing something here ???

Wishful Thinking
 

Last heard, 80 F/Os will be upgraded to skipper next year. A320? 330? Anyhow it sounds like a lot to me though, good plan indeed. A little too good to be TRUE perhaps.

Even if it's true, we definitely don't have enough resources i.e trainers, man power... to do so? Another trick up our manager's sleeves to stop pilots from leaving I guess? ;)

I hear the A320 guys who had the CCQ canceled yesterday with less than 24 hrs notice, has once again had "changes" for the better this morning:ok:

There's obviously a chronic shortage on the 320, resulting in the schedule and the training program suffering.

its gonna take much longer to upgrade FO's to the 320 than CCQ some skippers, especially given the training resources on the 320 are already stretched.

How many emails, memos,etc... have we received regarding the 320 problems this year alone? what has it changed? nothing...
this is just another bone the company throws at us thinking that it will keep us quiet...
they can try anything they want to refrain people from leaving, it s too late. on the 320 side at least.
Had they not begged EK to stop interviewing us, the 320 fleet would be grounded now. they just delayed the inevitable. most everybody on the 320 is looking for an out. they can send as many plans, solutions, remedies they want, that won t change, the exodus will happen.

Hey Savi spoke to a friend in DXB and his buddy just got in with EK and is doing 2 weeks in the office awaiting his class start date and he is helping in the Flight OPS recruitent and he told my buddy the guy at EK said no such thing as not taking EY pilots ..... so I guess they are so desperate at EK for FO that no matter what begging they do from EY it will make no differents.
So more resignation coming by the looks of things.

Safe Flying :ok:

Very true. This airline could change things overnight if they really wanted to. They have all the resources and cash in the world believe me. This is the only joint in the world flying with ferrari leather seats installed in their planes. Make me sick. Oh well, karma is a bitch as the say. Eventually it will come around knocking on the door.

..& when the mass exodus of experienced Capts & FOs begin in the coming months to East Asian low cost airlines which now pay nearly as much...yes..as almost much as EY after the latest pay revision...& get to be back in their home country.....330/340/777 all will probably end up with 320 roster ;)

I don t think there is an official no poaching agreement. Therefore if you ask around people will tell you it s not true. Most people might not even know about it.
Back in July, one of my friends got confirmed by recruitment at EK that there would be no interviews for EY pilots. That was somebody from recruitment, not flight ops, crew rostering or else.
Even if that s changed since July, one thing that s true is that I know several well qualified EY guys waiting for an interview at EK and that s not happening.

Savy wait and see those guys will get their call, some already have ..... no such thing about EK taking no EY pilots, directly from the recruters at EK. At least that is the story as of a week but it is the ME so things may change before you even read this post

I crossed another instructor who resigned and is leaving A320 fleet.... He told me another one was on the way soon....

Now how's is MFF gonna work if all experienced and/or senior are going away...??:ugh:

Promises, as always will never fit with hard reality. better off

Why don't just ugrade right to left on the same fleet. Company save alot of money and time. Now all f/o will get upgraded sooner.

Common sense doesn't apply here, for a long time......life on A320 is helllike, and it won't change but for worse as people are leaving on a regular basis.....:ugh:

A few new joiners will arrive, lured by the lies of recruitment and thinking that they know better, and will regret it after 6 month if not less, but too late..... you won't see an A330, unless you walk past it during your A320 walkaround, if you succeed doing one awake.....

The only way to make life more miserable for the A320 pilots, would be to just CCQ them to the A332F. ;)

Then they can practice deadheading in econmy, with no pay :yuk:

so every body on the 330f now? such a fun place!:confused: