QR Flt Ops 'Management' - The Laughter Factory
 

This is a long overdue round up of the talentless clowns that govern our lives in good old QR Fright Ops...
Lets face it you couldn’t assemble a more unworthy, bunch of clowns to run a safety critical activity that is the flight ops dept of a so called world class airline.

Start at the top and you have our beloved EVPO, a worthless and spineless individual that will stop at nothing to cling onto his position since he harbours an ill-concealed ambition to be the next QR CEO. Every'buddys' friend to your face and drops you right in it behind your back. Needs to stay on his toes since his allies are slowly being assassinated and his enemies are hot on his heels.
Worst of all is that he has to suffer regular ignominy in the form of CEO sponsored visits from Capt J Misfit (aka Angel of Death), the retired ex UK CAA buffoon who will regale you about his son’s career in the Royal Navy, or his yacht, or how the CEO holds QR 001 for him when he is rushing back to London after another farcical ‘investigation’.

Then you have that specious creep CPF that comes from the 'Kingdom' next door. A complete backstabbing plagiarist that copies and pastes others work and passes it off as his own. He even has the gall to put his own copyright symbol at the bottom of his documents. (Rumour has it that he is very very friendly with the person in charge of the QR medical centre - a self-appointed expert in aeromedicine and ULR with no real background or experience of the field). You have to watch the CPF very carefully and don't be fooled by him handing you sweets - they'll be laced with poison:yuk:.

The CPT of course is another obnoxious creep that got his position by backstabbing and sucking up to the 9th floor. Rumour has it that the 9th floor is extremely unhappy as there is so far nothing to show for his tenure. In the meantime he continues to backstab in the vain hope that one day he will have the top job. A big kid trying to do a very grown up job.

Another big kid to whom we can now say farewell is the oily and talentless squeaky voiced clot that masqueraded and a well informed and powerful ally to the CEO. He certainly kissed enough CEO posterior to be given the role but alas he overcooked it. Drunk on his own power and self importance he made enemies very very rapidly, particularly the CP B777. The 777 honcho is something of a guest artist in the corridor of power and is very much the court jester. Be very careful though for if you underestimate him you are in for a big surprise since he is very powerful and well connected (a nephew of the QCAA Chairman). Alas RN chose the wrong guy to tangle with and he was soon found wanting and got himself fired for impropriety with the recruitment process – namely hiring too many of his Brit friends.

The most obnoxious of the lot is the blimp in a dish-dash that resides on Al Jabor compound and mismanages the Airbus fleet. Known as ‘Black Magic’ to his friends due to his liking of that voodoo esque practice. This individual is the most two faced and utterly corrupt of the lot. Responsible for the ‘three day-off’ roster rule because he hates for any pilot to have a life outside DOH. A concerted informant to the CEO the EVP has much to worry about this guy. If you live on Al Jabor be very careful with your children as he or his wife are likely to run them over by their excessive speeding whilst driving on or off the compound. Should your child have a near miss with his car he will surely jump out and give your child a full and public dressing down and then lobby to the company that all compound children must remain locked inside their villas without being able to play in the street – except of course, his children. BM cut his teeth as deputy to SS and between them and the previously fired RP (ex rostering) they ran a corruption ring where friends on the 330 got nice rosters and enemies were shafted. Oh and allegedly money changed hands too for nice rosters. This is why BM is an arch enemy of the new Jepp rostering system as it undermines his efforts to have complete control of the pilots rosters. However he now has a work around since in addition to the 3 day rule he has his informants making sure only certain folk get their days off requests etc. If you are not one of the favoured few you will have you computer generated requests removed manually before publication. If you complain you will be told that the MCR is responsible.

We must not overlook the lovely but completely hapless A320 honcho. An all round nice guy but utterly useless as a manager. Spends most of his time sleeping.

Last but not least (for this instalment) is KC the pasty faced empire builder that has basically ‘gone native’ and is to all intents and purposes a local in a shirt and tie. A graduate of the RAF ‘boys in blue’ mob this chap has a curious tick in one eye that becomes more pronounced when he is asked a difficult question. His empire grows and grows now that he arranged the assassination of the SM training centre so not only is he responsible for the TRTO but also for the facilities used to deliver it ie the sim centre itself - a sure conflict of interest. The reality is that this guy is a survivor and remains in power by his acute sense of where the power base lies and allying himself appropriately. The CEO is not a fan but tolerates him. Don’t be fooled by his QCAR/FCL quoting nonsense. It’s a smokescreen. The guy would be unemployable in any other airline.

Definitely time to move on. :}

All sadly true....

the best is get the fuc...out of here very soon,let's see not who but what is goin to fly the aircrafts they ordered.
The marketplace is moving again and Qatar Airways will not be able to grow if the good ones move away.
Everybody knows that Qatar is not a happy place!

NOF:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Management Change?
 

Any news about a surprise management change in QA flt ops?
CPF, CP777 and CP330 seem to be out of office and new replacement will be announced soon including a CP787.

"CPF, CP777 and CP330 seem to be out of office and new replacement will be announced soon"
Again! :eek:

Gosh - sounds like GF management 10 years ago!

Thank u AIN KHALED:ok::ok::ok:

One of the great post I have read so far about the situation in Qr Sadly true.
IMO the CEO should give them a Sticker on their office door " Do Not Disturb Long Naps in Progress":}

With the Oscar and a palm for BAD in all categories respectively to A320F line and training, the recruit Dpt destroyed hope in this fleet and this dudes are simply witnesses to the demolition.

I have two friend on the A320 fleet totaly depressed and distroyed the poor guys, 2-1/2 years in the sand pit with no chance to get out guantanamo bay.

As a matter of fact any new recruit should be put on the challenger or global express regardless of previous experience and climb the ladder like everybody else did that's the policy of any major company no need for rocket science to do that just apply seniority by staff number and here you go:D

fly high and fast

The sad part is that they are all, almost to a man, ex GF. EVPO, CPF, CP B777, A330/340, CP A320. None of them have prior management experience or training. What they do have in abundance is the ability to lie and backstab, claim credit for work they did not do and to denigrate the efforts of other hard working individuals that do actually perform well. Alas folk in this category are rare and are seen as a threat so are fair game for the mafia to play their dirty tricks on.

Laughably the HR dept did try to send the EVPO on a management training course at the Cranfield Institute of Technolgy in the UK. He cancelled his attendance at the last minute when he realised that it would be two weeks of very hard work, remote from London so he would not be able to go out boozing and chasing women each night.

Unbelievably the CEO later decided that EVP should not attend and told HR to send the CPT instead! At that time the CPT was outside the management fold but spent his spare time telling lies direct to 9th floor and generally ingratiating himself.

The CEO wanted him to go to Cranfield as a reward. Alas the poor chap could not even fill in the application form since he didn't understand what was required and he was too inexperienced. In the end he didn't go

What to do. There is nothing that can be done to break the whole ridiculous cycle. Time to go.

Or you could now be in for the opportunity of a lifetime and apply for any of the recent job openings.......

Anyway I hope you guys are getting a proper sensible management team this time around.

Time to apply to the posts ? :=

The only way to survive in QR , It's fly, shut your mouth , close your ears, and cash you pay check at the end of the month.
Don't be sensitive or sentimental .

ainkhaled

all you said, it's sad but true.

everything getting worse and more complicated here, while this airline could be really doing much much better.

and to you viewpoint - i agree with you, but there is a point, where it is enough, and they r going to touch it soon (at least in my case).

too much corruption, mafia and mismanagement is going on.

what to do:}

unfortunately is all true,

it is getting worse and worse.

the contract,the pay,the accomodation,the place,the general sad and depressed atmosphere...no one is happy here is a matter of fact and on top of that....


MAXIMUM 3 DAYS IN A ROW TO BETTER ENJOY DOHA!!!

It is too much...fortunately lot's of jobs are opening up.

NOF
PS my question is when they will start treating people normally and not like animals???:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Noise of freedom...MAx 3 days off in a row only for flight deck crew.
Cabin crew can have 4..5 ..6 days off in a row (i saw it...and i'm talking about days off.. not leave..!).
Oooh..sorry.. again i forgot i guess it's something totally normal here..and we shouldn't complain or rise any concerns...:ugh:

never noise of freedom, never, thats the mentality here
look at the whole country, pretending to be a 1st world country - far far away:mad:

as long as the mafia is in rostering, tower and so on, nothing will change

and again, why should they? they get plenty of new joiners

enjoy the 5 star doha:ok:

one more thing: jeppesen interbids ambassadors are here again - what a joke - they do anyway, what they want, and not what the multi million dollar system is generating

I noticed that too....cabin crew no limit on dasy off.

But I would like to have your opinion,gents on one aspect:
any crisis/recovery has a certain inertia so off course QR still has lots of applications ready,but are we sure that all this people will come here with EK,EY and all Asia hiring???

I don't think so...I believe and hope that things will have to change here otherwise all the good pilots will just leave.

:=:=:=

NOF

There is one little think that have changed and i noticed a few days ago..
Did you noticed that for the First Time in QR, the picture of AAB has been "removed" from the introduction page of our "in Flight magazine" and replaced by the Foreign minister's picture...hmmm interesting...

CEO
 

The way Mr. AAB spoil reputation of Qatari people i would expect they deport him to the moon or orbit to use as communication satelite for QTEL .

:D

OOOOO what we will do with 3000 memos he has issued ?
What about all the lickers around him ? will they just change the flag ?

I saw the same thing on the magazine, then i realized emirates does the same, they put the chaiman and not the Tim Clark on the front page.

Emirates
 

Emirates do so for years .

In QR it is first time now happen . And Emirates does not have sick person holding position of CEO while QR has one .

AAB is having problems and only few people know reall story .

AAB had vertical path and he went very high ,when he fall he will hit the surface hard and ones on ground there will be a huge number of people lined up in queues to get a chance for pay back .

Let us see the free fall of DICTATOR

The situation in Qatar Airways is reaching a very critical point....

there's NO ONE HAPPY PERSON here,everybody is frustrated and almost depressed.
AAB is a little sick dictator....


we all know sooner or later how dictators end up!!!

NOF
Keep the faith...:ok::ok::ok::ok:

Smoke/Fire
 

They say: " if there is smoke there is fire "


AAB has internal and external enemies , when you hurt so many people all over globe they make sure you get it one day .

We have more waiting for punishment :

BM , SD , KC , NS ...............

Over 100 Cvs from Qatar to Etihad
 

Hello all

Over 100 Cvs was sent to Etihad from Qatar with love in 10 day from the 320 fleet!! Why is that??

The guys on the 320 are having the time of the life! I don't get it :confused:

damn, so I am not the only one????

:ok:

Why that..?

-Look the difference in term of Salary..for the long term: huge!
(lets not forget that unlike the Cheap Qatar Airways ,in EY the Annual increase is NOT limited in time...!)So just imagine the difference after a long term career!

-look the difference in term of School Allowance!

-AUh is probably a better place to live compared to Doha.

-Consideration wise, don't think EY is worse than QR.

So if you are a young pilot with family&kids looking for a long term career in the gulf, you really have nothing to loose by moving from QR to EY....

I wouldnt say the difference is huge.. look at the figures.

Flight pay is twice that at EY.

Loc.... you seriously dont stop moaning. Im sure im probably one of the very few people who hasnt chosen to ignore you.

Go on.. say something nice about Qatar........ I dare you!

Guys it went up over 200. WOW and the recruitment in Etihad said they'll proses every one of them and who ever is qualified will be taken. :D
This is a Serious issue but why this amout of Pilot in the 320want to leave Q A for a much worst environment in the EY (320) I mean?? :ugh:

SMD45
 

I agree with you 100% about lock22550.

To start with ,look at his nikname he is locked in the mail box of Qatar airways and forever.Do you know why?Because two and a half year ago he was saying that he booked his position with Etihad,Yet he's stil here.He failed his interview.And I dare him if he steps one foot outside QA he will be jobless the rest of his life.
So he must very thankfull for Qatar Airways for giving his job and a salary to feed his family,Instead he is complaining for more than 6 years and over 950 posts on this fourm 90%of it complaining and advising not to join QA.
This guy so miserable here, My advice to loc2250, get over it.

Good bless him

But At least i'm not inventing B.S. story like you Ramyins: since when did i fail EY interview..!?Ridiculous.No further comment..

SMD45: Apparently you haven't done that much maths in your live...
(look at the Big picture!).Useless to argue.

Are we still allowed to come here to discuss and raise true fact without being treat immediatly of miserable and grouser by people who actually barely come here to give any positive and useful input.

Go compare your take home with someone in Etihad AFTER they have paid for all their bills....

Come back when YOU have done the maths.

Rippa

Honestly how do feel about the city and the company sense you were here before. Is it worth it to make that move?

Rippa Does your annual increase stopped after 5 years of seniority in your respective grade like in Qr...?just curious..:hmm:

Time to shut up or move on!
 

Well I have read your posts and I agree with most of them, however I would like to remind you all why we are here:


Well in 2008 the **** hit the fan, recruitment stopped in most places and airlines went to the wall. A large number of you in Europe found yourselves with a P45 and no income with debts to pay off etc. I was one of them and took the first option of flying to the ME for a better life. I must admit I only could see the positives about working for QR and did not do my home work. What I was blind to was the way of life here with spys reporting to AAB, and I expect giving him other :mad: as well ! working in the tower I soon learned to shut my mouth and take the pay.

Pilots however want to take the pay and rant off, well if you cant stand the heat get out, I am not defending AAB but he has grown the airline from nothing to a world class business, he works all hours and micro manages everything. All I will say is that the only way to change things in QR is to change AAB and god knows many have tried and failed. AAB is fed lies by those who we threaten, or whom we appear to threaten. AAB must let go of some of his control one day and when NDIA opens I feel this will be the first step.

My advice is to take the cash, when another job comes along then take it, when the glorious day comes and QR is realy short of staff then they might want to take notice of us who were there.

AAB working ?
 

O do not get it wrong AAB work all day but there is an company from UK which make all the major changes in QR policy about economy and rutes ...

Do you think that AAB with his kind'a wierd brain can do all the smart moves ?

What he do at 7 in the morning he get print out of PPRUNE evey day then he call AJ and bitch about pilots and who did what on flight or who say what to some of AAB cabin crew spy and tell him how pilot sare just drivers and they do not deserve Evian water or food in china ...
Then he spend most of the time on cabin crew issues , do not forget that cabin crew if they want to move to other acommodation or get married or start using different make up they need CEO approval and you can just imagine how many request of that type he has on 4500 c crew.
Then he has every day problems with cabin crew and pilots who did what and who is suspended that day for funny reasons so he terminates them demote them .
At some time he will walk around classes and check on crew and pick up which one is attractive to him and try to get her on promotion flights or he will organise the dinner at 4 seasons for them.
At afternun he walks around techinical building and check which crew has dirty hat or uniform is to tight or to lose and remove them from flights .
During day he will phone AJ few times most of time bitching about pilots or organize how to screw someones life .

In the evning Friday he is there walking around Airport trying to scare people with his wired way of looking and talking to crew .

Ones in months he will travel to SIN this is his second home . He has all fixed there .

During all this he will sms to crew and try to get them . Usually a small chubby girls thats his type . Good i know few who lost weight just to get out of his sight ha ha .

YES AAB is busy man but most of it is nothing at all .

Wow wow how do you know all of that BaBa??:eek:

come on guys - do we have to fight each other in this forum - are we all member of the big qr kinder garden?

maybe we should invent a reporting system to the talk master - ridiculous.

some like it in doh some not and everybody has the right to say what he wants.

for those, who loves it here, tell us your opinion and do not attack others.

for those, who hates it here, stick to the truth.

thats it!!!!!!!

for me its is not the best place to be - never, and i have to say it again, never i saw such a mismanagement and corruption like in this airline. the whole system is f..... up, everybody knows from which people, and instead of making it better, they make it worse and more complicated.
i wonna have the money, they waste every day or better, they waste in the whole country - tks i can retire.

homebase or commuting? guys, what you were drinking or smoking?

doh itself? well, as am quite often in dxb due to family reasons, i can say, you cannot compare it, doha is at least 10 years behind.

anyway, i am not wondering, why so many people applied somewhere else.

good luck to all :ok:

Laughter Factory Update
 

It seems that there is much turbulence along the Laughter Factory corridor of power in QR Flt Ops. Getting to the facts seems to be tricky but it looks as if CPF (HAA) has been fired – couldn’t happen to a nicer chap. The bloke is a congenital idiot and a compulsive liar. You don’t have to look too far into his background to realise that this guy is hooked on titles and self-aggrandisement. On his CV he claims to have a PHD degree in marine biology from Mannin University in the UK. Well guess what, there is no Mannin University in the UK or anywhere else it would seem. Do a google search and you will come up with a number of hits that show him masquerading as ‘Dr’ – hilarious! Dr Death would be more appropriate. Why did he get fired? – was it because of his incompetence as CPF and inter alia being master of all Boeing BS. Did he cop the blame for the spike in B777 hard landings? Does his very friendly relationship with the other (witch) ‘Dr’ have anything to do with his demise? Doubtless to two of them are suffering from increased fatigue from their nocturnal activities. Either way we are all much better off with this creep no longer in the office.
It seems that there is much mystery surrounding ‘Black Magic’ at the moment. Has he been fired or did he resign? Has his woefully incompetent tenure as CP fatbus finally caught up with him, or more likely did his utterly corrupt and anti-western ways finally become intolerable? Only time will tell but let’s hope that this weirdo is no longer in a position to screw up our lives, our rosters and please, please, could he leave Al Jabor compound and give our children a chance to play without fear of being run over.
It looks very like the CPT is certainly in the lead to take the fall for the B777 hard landing ‘scandal’. After a year or so in post this clown has nothing whatsoever to show for his tenure other than a complete lack of strategy, leadership and technical advancement. The promised uplift in training standardisation has also been a complete failure and the rogue trainers are still at large on all fleets doing their worst. But why should this have improved? The incumbent has no knowledge, experience and certainly no gravitas to pull off the role of CPT. No wonder the CEO has lost patience.
Whilst on the subject of ‘standards’ what has the so called SM safety and standards supremo achieved over the last year. This ‘character’ is another out and out snake and it is in your best interests to never fall out with him. He is the overseer of the safety programme of which the flight data monitoring system is an integral part. In an advanced safety culture such a system is for safety advancement purposes only, but in QR it is primarily for punishment purposes. Your anonymity is anything but secure and no end of crews are ‘shopped’ to the fleet with certain punishment to follow. About a year ago after another farcical CEO sponsored reform by Capt J Misfit this oaf was given the brief for ‘standards’. What a joke, he doesn’t even fly. Alas he is one of the protected brethren owing to his value to the CEO as an informant. Even the EVPO gets regular reamings from above based on misinformation fed to floor 9 from this oleaginous slime-ball. Be very careful.
Apparently further upheaval in the recruitment department follows the departure of baby-faced RN and now the departure of his successor PR. It seems that the brief for pilot recruitment in QR is a total poison chalice. Firstly no one in their right mind wants to join. Many pilots that are successfully selected are no-show for the course as they get a better offer (not hard). The problem for any prospective CP Rec is the politicisation of the role. You not only have to contend with extraordinary incompetence from HR via Mr ‘Useless’ B but also the poison dwarf (WA). ‘She’ is a keen CEO informant and woe betide you if she takes against you as RNs predecessor can attest. Total incompetence is a minor issue if, as in her case she ‘puts out’ for the CEO in a way that makes him smile.
On the face of it a clear out of the key buffoons from the Laughter Factory is to be celebrated. However for most of us this is just another sad turn of the wheel in a perpetual cycle. The clowns that have been fired will be replaced by more clowns. The old clowns will become (or revert to being) informants passing misinformation to floor 9. The new clowns will behave in just the same corrupt and incompetent manner. Any decent ones that work hard and have the right skills and experience will by killed from within the group and in time we are back to square one. What is most odd is that EVP has survived for so long. This spineless, inept and congenital liar has presided over the whole sorry mess for some four years now – a record. His connections to the palace perhaps hold him in good stead, plus of course he sucks up mercilessly to the CEO and he would sell his mother to hold onto his job. He just loves the trappings of power.
.... Alas though this leads to the door of the one that presides over the entire sorry spectacle that is aviation’s 5 Star Toilet. The 9th Floor incumbent that is totally responsible for the most corrupt and brutal regime in corporate history. The story of this creep would fill a book. Watch this space....

If you will write a book I will certenly buy a copy!!!:ok::ok::ok:

Unfortunately it is all sadly true...but i have a question for you,Ainkhalid:

do you think things will ever change here?


NOF

I Think Qatar Airways Still Not Making Money But Losing And Its Getting Worse , Ek Made Last Year One Billion So AAB Is Not In Good Shape .at Last He Approved It Thats He Was And Still Stupid Little Man .

Yes my friend we do live in a bottom line kind of world. It is a real balancing act to reduce costs and maintain profitability.

I have always been of the school that one hires the best and brightest and reward those employees for their hard work and dedication. The word "team" nowadays just seems to be an over rot catch phrase for inept managment. One needs to create a corporate culture of an inner sense of excellence, with a desire to serve. This of course is much easier said than done in todays what is in it for me work environment.

One of the most successful models for a company has been Southwest Airlines. Herb Kelleher has shown what can be done for an employee group with outstanding leadership skills. " NUTS! SouthWest Airlines Recipe for Business and Personel Sucess " should be mandatory reading for all those who wish to manage.

"If the employees come first, then they're happy, ... A motivated employee treats the customer well. The customer is happy so they keep coming back, which pleases the shareholders. It's not one of the enduring Green mysteries of all time, it is just the way it works"

jimmyg

In a western society i could not agree with you more.

This applies nicely to an educated consumer, of which 90% of our patrons are not. many of our flights are sub-continent worker flights. The vast majority do not pay for the ticket and do not know or care about much with regards to a South West airlines operating model.
Fall asleep and wake up on any of our flights to the USA or the some european destinations including the UK and you'll think your coming or going from some Sub-continent destination. I have heard some of these passengers ask with a serious face.. "where do I find the toilet for a British passport holder " !!
Now do you really think these kind of people (which amounts to a large percentage of our passenger traffic) really care about how happy our crew are or how well they are looked after.. they expect service over and above the required standard, the more you give the more they want. I'm not even going to speak about the local passenger profile, some of which treat our staff as they would their house maid and worse. One could go one for a long time with regards to this western philosophy, but it is not something that would work in this arena as well as it does for South West.
I must reiterate that I believe i the South West model. I wish it could be that way.
QA is not forecast to make a profit for years to come, as mentioned by the self procaimed great one himself. The airline is more of a country Brand name rather than a wheel of fortune. There are many people out there who have only known the airline before knowing that it was a country.

Thus they treat us as they like with no concern. No one here cares who is happy or who is not. get the brand out there, make it look good and shut up. Thats our model... and people still come.:ugh:


Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

Well … Contacted …QR will never do a Qantas they could never loose face, if you take a step back and look at Qatar we are a good 10 to 15 years behind the UAE. So we are trying to show to the world we are a powerful player and using our petrol $$$$ to make our mark on the world, apart from making major investments in London buying up Harold’s and other major companies. The government has big plans for prestigious projects with currently a lot of talk but no action, the bridge, the rail network and of course the 2022 world cup. Do you honestly think there could be any type of scandal suggesting Qatar has to cut back spending would affect the chances of getting 2022. There is no concern over making a profit just ‘Flying the Flag’ of Qatar, however they will try to push costs down which mean employing staff who will work for less.

Over time staff will leave, jump ship or get fired then the wheels will stop turning as recruitment is a mess, when they feel the affects of not being able to recruit then who will bail them out. Mr ‘Useless’? but he is not able to make a difference or stand up to AAB. The Moroccan (WA) spent most of the time on the beach in Miami during the last recruitment drive as there were no candidates I wonder who got the blame for that trip, how many has she had axed from the recruitment department or made their life such hell they have jumped. As Ainkhaled puts it “she puts out” for the CEO I wonder how many others do the same for him. (I look forward to your book).

Talking of things going and cuming why has AAB’s picture gone from the inflight mag? I would love to know what AAB said about the change, I am sure it was not his idea! :O