New Emirates Road Show Dates & Destinations
 

I hear its all about to happen again !

Can someone please pass on the next set of dates and destinations for the Emirates Roadshows please. ?

Thanks .

Details on their website
 

Seems the details for destinations and dates went up on their website yesterday.
SpainMadrid4-5 June 2010
10.00amHotel Wellington
C/ Velazquez, 8
28001 MadridBarcelona6-7 June 2010
10.00amAcevi Villarroel
Hotel
C/ Villarroel
08011 BarcelonaUKLondon
Gatwick7 June 2010
10.00amSofitel Hotel London
Gatwick, North
Terminal Gatwick
Airport West Sussex
RH6 0PHLondon
Stanstead8 June 2010
10.00amRadisson Blu Hotel
London Stansted Airport
Waltham Close, London
Stansted Airport, Essex
CM24 1PPBirmingham9 June 2010
10.00amCrowne Plaza
Birmingham NEC
Pendigo Way, National
Exhibition Centre,
Birmingham B40 1PSManchester10 June 2010
10.00amRadisson Blu Hotel
Manchester Airport
Chicago Avenue,
Manchester
M90 3RA
Central EuropeDusseldorf13 June 2010
10.00amMaritim Hotel
Maritim - Platz 1
40474, DusseldorfMunich14 June 2010
10.00amThe Westin Grand
München Arabellapark
Arabellastrasse 6
Munich, 81925Vienna15 June 2010
10.00amLe Meridien,
Opernring 13
Vienna, 1010Milan16 June 2010
10.00amMelia Milano Hotel
and Convention
Centre Via Massacio
19-20149, MilanoUSAHouston12 July 2010Venues and timings of upcoming sessions
will be confirmed shortly.Miami13 July 2010Memphis14 July 2010New York16 July 2010Chicago17 July 2010Denver18 July 2010Los Angeles19 July 2010

Has anybody been to one of those? What should I expect and can I prepare for it? I am thinking nice suit, smile, a few resumes and intelligent questions. Anything else?

Industrial size jar of Vasaline for when you get the job.

For the interview just be your self. Think of some "Tell us a time when...." type questions. Have your log books in good order. that is their first impression of you.

If they promise you somthing get it in print, you may need it latter.

I was assuming it was a casual event at which they would try and sell you the 'Emirates' lifestyle. I didn't realize it was a formal interview type affaire, which required attendees to wear a suit and have a copy of CV in hand.

I went to one of these events in 2007 here in the US.

Most attendees were in casual clothes, some straight from a flight (in uniform), some had wives/girlfriends in tow, and only a couple in suits. Those in suits stood out like dog's balls on a cat - and they looked uncomfortable.

It was an informational session with some checking of flight times and background to those interested in going further.

Have fun.

Ask them what exactly is in the CONTRACT.

Ask them if there's a difference between the CONTRACT (which details your BOND only) and the TERMS & CONDITIONS (everything else).

Ask them if it's true the TERMS & CONDITIONS can be varied (by them) at the stroke of a pen and without consultation.

Then ask them how many times in the last, oh, let's say 5 years the TERMS & CONDITIONS have been unilaterally changed. Watch to see if they start squirming. But they are spineless and therefore incapable of such motion.

A few changes to ask about:

- Cancellation of Leave credit in the roster.
- Overtime pay threshold increase.
- Non-payment of salary increment.
- Water and electricity bills.

- If those don't interest you, ask if it's true a pilot was arrested when he arrived at work for "doing a runner" and dragged off without anyone from the office doing a ****ing thing about it. Spent a night or two in the can.

Feel free to add suggestions for these applicants (or supplicants) to ask in the roadshow. Maybe some FTL questions - that would be pretty funny.

But EK will probably decorate the room with gold-coloured plastic trinkets like everything here. The locals love it and maybe the applicants will be dazzled and forget to ask anything apart from "when-can-I-start..."

hi
 

can someone please explain the above post regarding : doing a runner?

i am guessing something illegal?

"Doing a runner" usually is taken to mean turning up for your flight, getting to your destination and not going back.

Usually done when you figure its not worth the effort of jumping thru the hoops to get out normally,ie house /car contract you cannot get out of without serious loss of dosh and therefore if you cannot settle your loans you will be tossed inside a stinking Dubai gaol, never to be seen or heard of again.
get the picture now ?:confused:

So then, why in the world would someone who has "done a runner" show up again in Dubai to go to work? If I understand your explanation, "doing a runner" is effectively quitting in another country. Does Dubai have branch jails at their various destinations? I wonder if they give tours of the one at JFK?

pilotusa,

Satay doesn't QUITE have his facts right on that incident, but the truth is still something that should cause people to know what they are getting into.

This incident involved a Pilot who was employing a maid who had had her Visa cancelled. In all good faith he had, he believed, gone through the right channels to ensure he was employing her legally.

He was technically in breach of the law as someone else hadn't put the appropriate paperwork through and was indeed arrested at work.

He did spend several uncomfortable hours in custody but was subsequently able to sort it out.

Yes, things like that happen here, and should be comsidered before coming.

The only other inaccuracy in his post is that the Salary increment hasn't formed part of the promised T&Cs for several years, and has been awarded as a usual practice, rather than a right.

The only clear breach of the contract has been the cap on DEWA but, as far as I know, noone has actually been told they are being charged for excess yet.

But yes, you are only entitled to what is in black and white and yes, other parts of the T7Cs can and have changed for the worse.

pilotusa,

The Wiz doesn't QUITE have his facts right on several of his comments, but the truth is still something that should cause people to know what they are getting into.

The pilot in question was arrested when he arrived at work (in Dubai) because he was reported (by another pilot) as having "absconded". The maid's visa issue is accurate but irrelevant. He was arrested as he arrived at work despite the suspicion of already having done his runner. Why would you "abscond" and then show up at work? Make sense? Not really but that doesn't stop this kind of unreal thing from happening on this planet. But it doesn't really matter; the point is, he was on company duty and property yet the company, who will pry into and attempt to control every facet of your life here, did nothing to assist him then or later. I wouldn't be surprised is he was marked "absent for duty" and had his salary docked.

This happened about three months ago.

The lack of incremental payrise is a condition many of us (but apparently not the relatively new Wiz) joined with. The point which the Wiz has missed is that it is NOT in your contract or mine. None of it is except the bond. I don't know if they still promise the increment but that is also irrelvant. They used to promise it but they do not adhere to that promise. We can't hold them to it because it's NOT IN THE CONTRACT despite what so many here still think.

The Wiz is also wrong about the DEWA (water and power) bills "cap" being a breach of contract because payment of your bills is also not included in the contract. As stated above, nothing is included except the bond. They could halve or cancel altogether the coverage of your bills tomorrow and we'd all just have to like it. The cap, if it is maintained, is the thin end of the inevitable wedge. If the Wiz thinks they will let it go, he's kidding himself. Nothing EVER improves here.

They will lead you to believe it is all part of a huge contract but there are TWO separate documents. One is a Contract (the bond) and the other (the good stuff) is just a bit of paper.

The company will let you BELIEVE it is ALL in your contract, as you sign the two documents, and after that they won't care what you believe. Then they will (continue to) make changes to the conditions you joined for and there will be nothing you can do except complain to the rest of us who will tell you that you should have known better.

I'm not trying to cut the company down; I just want you to have an accurate picture.


Another question: Ask if there is any (recent) history of sacking a trainee First Officer while he was under training for an SOP error, which led to a go-around.

I think the subject of Emirates terms and conditions has been cited a few thousand times. Morale of the story: Go in with your eyes (and hopefully brain) wide open. Remember, this is the Middle East. There is still a 15th century mentality for many of the ruling elite. You may be a pilot flying a shiny new jet...but in their eyes you come from an inferior race and culture and will supply them with a cheap source of labour. It is identical to the Mexican flipping hamburgers at McDonalds in Los Angeles....the only difference is that you are flying a plane. Hey man...if throwing away your dignity and sense of self respect is your cup of tea, then have at it.

Satay,

First up, why the Agro?

I had also heard the "Absconder" rumour, but was filled in on what I wrote by someone very close to the source. If you have better information, fine, I appologise, but what exactley have I done to get up your nose?

You are simply wrong about contracts. The letter of employment I signed is absolutley an enforcable contract both under UAE law and, more importantly, in the UK where I signed it. This has been tested more than once and the company has settled rather than be exposed to the losing end of a court case.

In that contract it states they will pay all relevent gas, electricity and water bills. If they charge anyone, they are in breach. Mine mentions nothing about incremental pay or productivitey- relevent as they are two areas the company has changed, while leaving many other areas, such as ERP, alone. Why would they have changed Productivity and not abolished ERP other than that ERP is a contractual obligation?

I'm not "Kidding myself". I said I hadn't heard of anyone actually being charged and I haven't, and would have expected to by now. Have you? They may still do so, but I have a suspicion they know they would be up for a losing court challenge should they do so.

The sacking of the F/O in the MAN incident was a discrace, as was the sacking of the Captain in that incident and the treatment of the Melbourne crew. Absolutley no argument there and I hope potential new hires grill them plenty about that.

Well, quite simply because an adjustment to the ERP scheme would effect management salaries too. Especially the ones higher up the tree who sign off on the frequent changes to T&Cs. It is a lot less painful to them to come up with a cost saving that doesn't have any impact on their own personal bottom line.

Wizo

Agree 100% with your views on the rediculous and punitive sackings of the MAN crew.

Melbourne, however, was a different story altogether. If you conciously decide to flagrantly disregard the SOP's, be prepared to suffer the consequences. Such negligence almost cost the lives of several hundred people. The crew were lucky that it was just their jobs they lost!

Harry

harry,

The outcome was perhaps inevitable, but the treatment of the guys in the MEL incident was none the less deplorable.

Yes, they screwed the pooch royaly, but to be basically threatend with jail if they didn't resign on the spot was not how it should be done.

Wiz, you're not up my nose. My apologies if it reads that way. I thought it was a neutral tone!

No, I am not. Not with mine at least, nor that of anyone of my vintage.

Sorry but this commonly-held belief is most likely wishful thinking. I've been around a while and heard all the grand tales but I'd love to know ONE NAME of someone you know and can positively confirm was paid out for a breach of contract law suit. PM if you have one?

It didn't take long for the rumour to kick off about the 407 pilots getting a million or so each but who in reality got 9/10s of f-all. In another year or so it'll be commonly known FACT.

For most people I know (apart from some very old-timers) this statement is found in the fully-adjustable (by EK) document of Terms and Conditions. Are you sure about what you say? Might pay to check. This is why T. C. Ed had no qualms about notifiying us they were "adjusting" the Ts and Cs and never even bothered explaining himself.

As for kidding yourself, what I meant is they'll never rescind this edict about collecting the cap. They MIGHT not enforce it - for now. But in future, it is there as a tool to be adjusted (increased) as and when needed - a little bit like a TAX! This is just ONE of the ways they get "their" money back from us - bit by bit.

I agree about the Manchester captain too, of course. But the more obvious c*** act was with the FO.

Satay,

No sweat, I'll assume your nose is clean!!

I've PMed you but, for public consumption, I am pretty confident a document outlining a set of conditions and signed by both parties is a binding contract in the eyes of most jurisdictions, and has statements acknowledging same in mine at least.

Note that Emirates sends out "Contract Adjustment" messages for pay rises and such, as they are detailed in the agreement. That is a pretty compelling admission from EK that it is a party to a contractual obligation.

True, I can't quote you chapter and verse of anyone who has challenged and won because of a contract breech, but I'd wager you can't cite a case of the letter of employment being broken, that break being challenged, and the employee losing in court.

everyone talks about the wrongful dismissal where the pilot had a 777 impounded in London and was paid a large sum on the spot to drop the charges and release the AC, for your info he barely got his legal fees covered



'Note that Emirates sends out "Contract Adjustment" messages for pay rises and such, as they are detailed in the agreement. That is a pretty compelling admission from EK that it is a party to a contractual obligation'

so what you are saying is that its ok for EK to change your contract as long as its good for you.

Emirate Education Allowance?
 

• Education Support Allowance
Financial support towards the payment of core tuition fees is provided to staff in more senior positions. It is intended as a contribution towards the overall expenses the employee may incur for their children’s education.

Does this mean that they are no longer giving pilot's an education allowance for their children?



Thanks.

A contract can be changed by mutual agreement.

I'm sure if you let them know you don't agree to payrises, they'd be only to happy to keep them!

The education allowance is exactly that, an allowance towards your child's education. Up to 3 for expats, 4 for UAE nationals. Different limit depending on which school year but always a minimum of 10% from you.

Apparently, this 10% from the employee is to make us feel emotionally better that we are contributing directly to our own kids future. How thoughtful of them, and we all thought Emirates didn't care. :rolleyes: If you decide to use an American curriculum school, be prepared fo a larger emotional contribution!

Harry

If you are American and thinking about bringing your kids to Dubai be prepared to spend around 36,000 dhs per student for young kids.
Most American schools are around 70,000 dhs per year and EK only pays 34,000 up to grade 5. Even EK pilots can do the math.

There's another shafting on Ts and Cs.... when I joined, they paid 100% but as stated they cut it to 90% to help YOU feel like you were contributing something to your kid's education. That was one of TCK's (That C**t Knowles) innovations as I recall.

Thanks for the replies.

Gatwick today?
 

Was wondering if there are any of you that went along today to Gatwick. Was it a purely a PR exercise to whet peoples appetite to apply or were there good bits of info for potential hires?
I read that they may look at licenses and logbooks etc, did they do that today?

Ultimately it won't matter, I'm going to the STN one tomorrow but wondered if it was anything more than a presentation, in which case I need to make sure I have everything with me!

Quick question to the ones who attended a info session: Are they still handing out recruitment DVDs?

Jimbojet,

Please post some info after you attend the information session. I'm planning on going to the one in L.A. next month. Thanks in advance.

Y.

Any idea if there will be a roadshow in asia?(singapore,bangkok,kuala lumpur,jakarta etc).Thank you

Keep checking the careers website for the most up to date locations

Greetings!

i just graduated from a flight school with 200 hrs, and a Frozen ATPL, is it possible to be employed as a Second Officer at EK?

let me think.....no..(check the website)

I went to the roadshow in MAD last weekend....doesn´t look like they´ll have problems filling the 700 or so vacancies. They had 110 odd pilots turn up.
The presentation was fairly slick (once it got going) and I was ready to ask some fairly sticky questions about various allowances being capped, etc. To be fair, the recruiters covered it themselves, and did emphasise that it is a big commitment to up sticks and live in DXB. About 4 guys stood up and walked out when they put the slide detailing the salaries up.

I´m guessing about 50% of the pilots there were unemployed ( Air Nostrum, etc) and the rest were like me, employed, but nosey. It made me realise that the grass isn´t always greener, and if you are going to be an expat pilot, I´d sooner work in the UK ,and live in Spain.

I'm going to attend one of these road pow-wows to see if any of the issues raised on Pprune will be addressed.

Honestly, all they have to do is hold 2 or 3 of these things in the US. There are thousands of high time unemployed pilots there.

I too will attend one of these "information sessions" to compare it to the one I attended in the US in December 2007. It will be nice to see if they address items raised by the thousands of pprune posts.

Did manage to acquire a recruitment DVD back then, that a previous poster referred to. Don't know if they still have them or not.

Guys and Girls,

If anyone has been to one of these shows on here I would be extremely grateful if you could PM me with some of or all the info that was shared during the meetings.
I've been really wanting to get to one of these in the UK but have not been able to due to flying.
Thanks a lot, it would be much appreciated.

Cheers
CB

Hey guys , can someone who has attended one of the roadshows in the UK this week havw any info on the format ?

Thanks,

J :E

Barcelona road show
 

Went to the EK show in BCN last weekend, was well attended, around 40 nervous-looking Spaniards and a handful of Brits.
Opened with a question - 'anyone from EZY or RYR?' answer 'no'
Then a presentation about EK, why they are so good, history, etc.
Benefits of EK - career stability, young fleet, expanding network, growth and expansion, all-inclusive salary package
4.5 to 5 years to command
Details of selection process - well covered on pprune elsewhere
All courses for rest of year are 777 except 2 airbus courses
40 joined last week, 16 this week, courses every week until mid-2011
They want your application yesterday, if you meet the requirements (which are not set in stone - I heard them tell one guy they wanted 'preferably' 2500 hours multipilot time) you will be called next day for interview !
A non-recruitment 'real' pilot talked about type rating and company induction, line training, rostering and bidding processes (covered elsewhere on pprune)
He said no swaps possible at the moment, usually 10-14 days off a month but min of 8.
Generally unhappy with roster 2 months out of 5
Talked about trip length - 1 day trips up to 9-day trips, mostly 24hour layovers
High standard of hotac
meal allowances in local currency, not as high as European usuals, examples of DUS 120Euro Columbo 30Euro
42 days leave, but only 30 guaranteed, any unused carried over to next year
Everything done in EK by computer
Life generally frustrating in terms of getting things done
Talked about salary, FO and Capt
Annual increment, not guaranteed
Pilots not happy about high hour months, at moment >85 hours per month
Talked about accomodation options and allowances, education allowance, bond, location of EK villas being allocated at the moment is Silicon Oasis, they have the keys waiting for new joiners
Talked about medical, free cover for self, spouse is 440Euro pa, kids 160Euro pa each
Exchange rate protection for 50% of salary
Profit share, not guaranteed
Provident fund - need 7 years service to get the 'lot'
They pay for: uniform, LOL, sick pay 12 months, free dry cleaning, chauffer driven to work in company Audi by a suicidal Indian or Pakistani
Talked about DXB: safe, family-friendly, not old-fashioned idea of cutting off your hands for anything worse than stealing, no problems of drugs or violence, good level of education ("outstanding"), interesting flight deck experience (85 nationalities), biggest shopping mall in the world, indoor skiing, luxurious lifestyle (maids, beaches, don't have to pump your own gas!!!)
What to do in DXB: beach, resto, cine, sport, 4x4 driving, shops, parks
EPC
Cost of living - gas 1.44 Euro a gallon, 2.50Euro for 1L of milk, 2Euro for 5L of H20, cinema 6.65 Euro, car 23K Euros (Ford Explorer)
Details of salary and flying pay, etc etc all covered in other threads but basically:
FO salary 24110 AED (according to them 5330Euro) tax free + flying pay 10Euro per hour

hope this is useful
strangestranger

info on EK
 

Hello

I just read on one of the national newspaper of my country that Emirates is going to have an information session here.
It was talking about the big hiring plan of pilots and cabin crew.
On the side there was an interviev to an anoninimous pilot of what was once the national carrier now privatised that is thinking of joining.
He say Emirates salary are thebest in the world and the working condition much better then its present actual long haul pilot position ahome and he will became a captain in two to three years in EK.
It seem to me from reading this forum that EK pilots fly 94 hrs per months long haul and night flying to India and back. I have friend there on the Airbus and when I meet him recently after a few years he joined he changed phisionomy.... I almost could not recognize him!! From what I read here I think and what he tell me upgrade should take from five to seven years at least and DEC is just around the corner. This friend of mine also told me the strange story of a friend that cause of house issue quit. I was quite shocked. What I shuold believe?