New Emirates Road Show Dates & Destinations

[cuberoute]

I hear its all about to happen again !

Can someone please pass on the next set of dates and destinations for the Emirates Roadshows please. ?

Thanks .

[5Bruce]

Details on their website

Seems the details for destinations and dates went up on their website yesterday.
SpainMadrid4-5 June 2010
10.00amHotel Wellington
C/ Velazquez, 8
28001 MadridBarcelona6-7 June 2010
10.00amAcevi Villarroel
Hotel
C/ Villarroel
08011 BarcelonaUKLondon
Gatwick7 June 2010
10.00amSofitel Hotel London
Gatwick, North
Terminal Gatwick
Airport West Sussex
RH6 0PHLondon
Stanstead8 June 2010
10.00amRadisson Blu Hotel
London Stansted Airport
Waltham Close, London
Stansted Airport, Essex
CM24 1PPBirmingham9 June 2010
10.00amCrowne Plaza
Birmingham NEC
Pendigo Way, National
Exhibition Centre,
Birmingham B40 1PSManchester10 June 2010
10.00amRadisson Blu Hotel
Manchester Airport
Chicago Avenue,
Manchester
M90 3RA
Central EuropeDusseldorf13 June 2010
10.00amMaritim Hotel
Maritim - Platz 1
40474, DusseldorfMunich14 June 2010
10.00amThe Westin Grand
München Arabellapark
Arabellastrasse 6
Munich, 81925Vienna15 June 2010
10.00amLe Meridien,
Opernring 13
Vienna, 1010Milan16 June 2010
10.00amMelia Milano Hotel
and Convention
Centre Via Massacio
19-20149, MilanoUSAHouston12 July 2010Venues and timings of upcoming sessions
will be confirmed shortly.Miami13 July 2010Memphis14 July 2010New York16 July 2010Chicago17 July 2010Denver18 July 2010Los Angeles19 July 2010

[GooneyCaptain]

Has anybody been to one of those? What should I expect and can I prepare for it? I am thinking nice suit, smile, a few resumes and intelligent questions. Anything else?

[johnnyramjet]

Industrial size jar of Vasaline for when you get the job.

For the interview just be your self. Think of some "Tell us a time when...." type questions. Have your log books in good order. that is their first impression of you.

If they promise you somthing get it in print, you may need it latter.

[Cancel2LateLunches]

I was assuming it was a casual event at which they would try and sell you the 'Emirates' lifestyle. I didn't realize it was a formal interview type affaire, which required attendees to wear a suit and have a copy of CV in hand.

[The Darkness]

I went to one of these events in 2007 here in the US.

Most attendees were in casual clothes, some straight from a flight (in uniform), some had wives/girlfriends in tow, and only a couple in suits. Those in suits stood out like dog's balls on a cat - and they looked uncomfortable.

It was an informational session with some checking of flight times and background to those interested in going further.

Have fun.

[Sataybox]

Ask them what exactly is in the CONTRACT.

Ask them if there's a difference between the CONTRACT (which details your BOND only) and the TERMS & CONDITIONS (everything else).

Ask them if it's true the TERMS & CONDITIONS can be varied (by them) at the stroke of a pen and without consultation.

Then ask them how many times in the last, oh, let's say 5 years the TERMS & CONDITIONS have been unilaterally changed. Watch to see if they start squirming. But they are spineless and therefore incapable of such motion.

A few changes to ask about:

- Cancellation of Leave credit in the roster.
- Overtime pay threshold increase.
- Non-payment of salary increment.
- Water and electricity bills.

- If those don't interest you, ask if it's true a pilot was arrested when he arrived at work for "doing a runner" and dragged off without anyone from the office doing a ****ing thing about it. Spent a night or two in the can.

Feel free to add suggestions for these applicants (or supplicants) to ask in the roadshow. Maybe some FTL questions - that would be pretty funny.

But EK will probably decorate the room with gold-coloured plastic trinkets like everything here. The locals love it and maybe the applicants will be dazzled and forget to ask anything apart from "when-can-I-start..."

[cl65]

hi

can someone please explain the above post regarding : doing a runner?

i am guessing something illegal?

[faheel]

"Doing a runner" usually is taken to mean turning up for your flight, getting to your destination and not going back.

Usually done when you figure its not worth the effort of jumping thru the hoops to get out normally,ie house /car contract you cannot get out of without serious loss of dosh and therefore if you cannot settle your loans you will be tossed inside a stinking Dubai gaol, never to be seen or heard of again.
get the picture now ?

[pilotusa]

So then, why in the world would someone who has "done a runner" show up again in Dubai to go to work? If I understand your explanation, "doing a runner" is effectively quitting in another country. Does Dubai have branch jails at their various destinations? I wonder if they give tours of the one at JFK?

[Wizofoz]

pilotusa,

Satay doesn't QUITE have his facts right on that incident, but the truth is still something that should cause people to know what they are getting into.

This incident involved a Pilot who was employing a maid who had had her Visa cancelled. In all good faith he had, he believed, gone through the right channels to ensure he was employing her legally.

He was technically in breach of the law as someone else hadn't put the appropriate paperwork through and was indeed arrested at work.

He did spend several uncomfortable hours in custody but was subsequently able to sort it out.

Yes, things like that happen here, and should be comsidered before coming.

The only other inaccuracy in his post is that the Salary increment hasn't formed part of the promised T&Cs for several years, and has been awarded as a usual practice, rather than a right.

The only clear breach of the contract has been the cap on DEWA but, as far as I know, noone has actually been told they are being charged for excess yet.

But yes, you are only entitled to what is in black and white and yes, other parts of the T7Cs can and have changed for the worse.

[Sataybox]

pilotusa,

The Wiz doesn't QUITE have his facts right on several of his comments, but the truth is still something that should cause people to know what they are getting into.

The pilot in question was arrested when he arrived at work (in Dubai) because he was reported (by another pilot) as having "absconded". The maid's visa issue is accurate but irrelevant. He was arrested as he arrived at work despite the suspicion of already having done his runner. Why would you "abscond" and then show up at work? Make sense? Not really but that doesn't stop this kind of unreal thing from happening on this planet. But it doesn't really matter; the point is, he was on company duty and property yet the company, who will pry into and attempt to control every facet of your life here, did nothing to assist him then or later. I wouldn't be surprised is he was marked "absent for duty" and had his salary docked.

This happened about three months ago.

The lack of incremental payrise is a condition many of us (but apparently not the relatively new Wiz) joined with. The point which the Wiz has missed is that it is NOT in your contract or mine. None of it is except the bond. I don't know if they still promise the increment but that is also irrelvant. They used to promise it but they do not adhere to that promise. We can't hold them to it because it's NOT IN THE CONTRACT despite what so many here still think.

The Wiz is also wrong about the DEWA (water and power) bills "cap" being a breach of contract because payment of your bills is also not included in the contract. As stated above, nothing is included except the bond. They could halve or cancel altogether the coverage of your bills tomorrow and we'd all just have to like it. The cap, if it is maintained, is the thin end of the inevitable wedge. If the Wiz thinks they will let it go, he's kidding himself. Nothing EVER improves here.

They will lead you to believe it is all part of a huge contract but there are TWO separate documents. One is a Contract (the bond) and the other (the good stuff) is just a bit of paper.

The company will let you BELIEVE it is ALL in your contract, as you sign the two documents, and after that they won't care what you believe. Then they will (continue to) make changes to the conditions you joined for and there will be nothing you can do except complain to the rest of us who will tell you that you should have known better.

I'm not trying to cut the company down; I just want you to have an accurate picture.


Another question: Ask if there is any (recent) history of sacking a trainee First Officer while he was under training for an SOP error, which led to a go-around.

[Uncle Wiggily]

I think the subject of Emirates terms and conditions has been cited a few thousand times. Morale of the story: Go in with your eyes (and hopefully brain) wide open. Remember, this is the Middle East. There is still a 15th century mentality for many of the ruling elite. You may be a pilot flying a shiny new jet...but in their eyes you come from an inferior race and culture and will supply them with a cheap source of labour. It is identical to the Mexican flipping hamburgers at McDonalds in Los Angeles....the only difference is that you are flying a plane. Hey man...if throwing away your dignity and sense of self respect is your cup of tea, then have at it.

[Wizofoz]

Satay,

First up, why the Agro?

I had also heard the "Absconder" rumour, but was filled in on what I wrote by someone very close to the source. If you have better information, fine, I appologise, but what exactley have I done to get up your nose?

You are simply wrong about contracts. The letter of employment I signed is absolutley an enforcable contract both under UAE law and, more importantly, in the UK where I signed it. This has been tested more than once and the company has settled rather than be exposed to the losing end of a court case.

In that contract it states they will pay all relevent gas, electricity and water bills. If they charge anyone, they are in breach. Mine mentions nothing about incremental pay or productivitey- relevent as they are two areas the company has changed, while leaving many other areas, such as ERP, alone. Why would they have changed Productivity and not abolished ERP other than that ERP is a contractual obligation?

I'm not "Kidding myself". I said I hadn't heard of anyone actually being charged and I haven't, and would have expected to by now. Have you? They may still do so, but I have a suspicion they know they would be up for a losing court challenge should they do so.

The sacking of the F/O in the MAN incident was a discrace, as was the sacking of the Captain in that incident and the treatment of the Melbourne crew. Absolutley no argument there and I hope potential new hires grill them plenty about that.

[Gulf News]

Why would they have changed Productivity and not abolished ERP other than that ERP is a contractual obligation?

Well, quite simply because an adjustment to the ERP scheme would effect management salaries too. Especially the ones higher up the tree who sign off on the frequent changes to T&Cs. It is a lot less painful to them to come up with a cost saving that doesn't have any impact on their own personal bottom line.

[harry the cod]

Wizo

Agree 100% with your views on the rediculous and punitive sackings of the MAN crew.

Melbourne, however, was a different story altogether. If you conciously decide to flagrantly disregard the SOP's, be prepared to suffer the consequences. Such negligence almost cost the lives of several hundred people. The crew were lucky that it was just their jobs they lost!

Harry

[Wizofoz]

harry,

The outcome was perhaps inevitable, but the treatment of the guys in the MEL incident was none the less deplorable.

Yes, they screwed the pooch royaly, but to be basically threatend with jail if they didn't resign on the spot was not how it should be done.

[Sataybox]

Wiz, you're not up my nose. My apologies if it reads that way. I thought it was a neutral tone!

You are simply wrong about contracts.

No, I am not. Not with mine at least, nor that of anyone of my vintage.

This has been tested more than once and the company has settled rather than be exposed to the losing end of a court case.

Sorry but this commonly-held belief is most likely wishful thinking. I've been around a while and heard all the grand tales but I'd love to know ONE NAME of someone you know and can positively confirm was paid out for a breach of contract law suit. PM if you have one?

It didn't take long for the rumour to kick off about the 407 pilots getting a million or so each but who in reality got 9/10s of f-all. In another year or so it'll be commonly known FACT.

In that contract it states they will pay all relevent gas, electricity and water bills

For most people I know (apart from some very old-timers) this statement is found in the fully-adjustable (by EK) document of Terms and Conditions. Are you sure about what you say? Might pay to check. This is why T. C. Ed had no qualms about notifiying us they were "adjusting" the Ts and Cs and never even bothered explaining himself.

As for kidding yourself, what I meant is they'll never rescind this edict about collecting the cap. They MIGHT not enforce it - for now. But in future, it is there as a tool to be adjusted (increased) as and when needed - a little bit like a TAX! This is just ONE of the ways they get "their" money back from us - bit by bit.

I agree about the Manchester captain too, of course. But the more obvious c*** act was with the FO.

[Wizofoz]

Satay,

No sweat, I'll assume your nose is clean!!

I've PMed you but, for public consumption, I am pretty confident a document outlining a set of conditions and signed by both parties is a binding contract in the eyes of most jurisdictions, and has statements acknowledging same in mine at least.

Note that Emirates sends out "Contract Adjustment" messages for pay rises and such, as they are detailed in the agreement. That is a pretty compelling admission from EK that it is a party to a contractual obligation.

True, I can't quote you chapter and verse of anyone who has challenged and won because of a contract breech, but I'd wager you can't cite a case of the letter of employment being broken, that break being challenged, and the employee losing in court.

[fatbus]

everyone talks about the wrongful dismissal where the pilot had a 777 impounded in London and was paid a large sum on the spot to drop the charges and release the AC, for your info he barely got his legal fees covered



'Note that Emirates sends out "Contract Adjustment" messages for pay rises and such, as they are detailed in the agreement. That is a pretty compelling admission from EK that it is a party to a contractual obligation'

so what you are saying is that its ok for EK to change your contract as long as its good for you.