Hi could a few guys send some of their rosters (330 and 777)?

thank you very much

No! Would you like me to publish my name, staff number, address, and seniority number as well?:ugh:

I'm sorry I didn't realize I had to specify what seems to be obvious to me. Could somebody please their 330 and 777 rosters while erasing any sensitive info. Thank you very much

Unless you want it blank then we could be identified. Management are stupid, but not that stupid..:ugh:

its simple..aNY ROSTER 330 or 777 involves 98 hours of hard flying that is making people collapse. What else do you want to know?

According to the latest missive from the "New Guy" (who seems to sound a lot like the Old Guy/Last Guy/Next Guy), a large part of the blame rests on those cads who dare to call Sick or Fatigued.

This causes a lot of havoc as they attempt to "rescue" the roster and thus other pilots are disadvantaged by having to cover.

wtf?!?

In other words, please don't call sick or fatigued. Because it's your fault then that your colleagues are suffering.

Or could it be that guys are...sick...and tired?!

Emirates have to be the biggest bunch of hypocritical pr$cks in the industry...on the one hand want to take credit for not laying off "160 surplus pilots" during the downturn (no doubt due to the kindness of their hearts). Yet run away from taking responsibility for the current shortage of pilots.

Don't preach safety and then issue veiled complaints about how guys who feel that perhaps it's UNSAFE to fly SICK OR FATIGUED do the right thing and pull themselves off the field!!

This place would be a lot better if we just had some leadership instead of snivelling cowardice like this letter. (Latest Flt Ops Update)

NLH,

I might disagree with a lot you say, but you are on the money here.

The only way this level of work can remain safe is if it is short term and people don't fly when they are too tired.

It's quite possible to build a legal roster under ANY FTLS that is still fatiguing to an unacceptable degree. If it catches up to you, you DON'T FLY.

What exactley is it he is asking us to do? Predict a week in advance as to whether we will be fatigued or not? Suits me!

I also wonder how much more of a mess we would be in now if they HAD gotten rid of the 160 pilots we were supposedly surplus!

Didn't take long for Johnny to show that he's AARs Poodle, another one.

Every time EK managers pretend something, you can be sure the truth's the other way around.
By pressing 2 you actually HELP your collegues!
EK only reacts with statistics and numbers. Too many sick -> problem. First reaction -> denial. Second reaction -> threats. But third reaction finally -> action.
Numbers must get desperate and even airframes grounded, only then they will increase the pilots numbers and reduce the hours.
Don't feel guilty, you're doing the right thing. For safety, for your buddies, for your own health and finally even for the company.

JA, you should be ashamed, but then again, you took the job very much knowing, knowing....

Different name same rubbish seems like the British chap is cut from the same cloth as the Yank, we had before get ready for more stupid FCN.FCI ,

Right so it pilots going sick which is the problem not that we are all working 90+ hrs a month.
Does he really believe this C@!@P

The more it changes the more it stays the same
:ugh:

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LR 3 you could always hope for AAR doing a sterling piece of driving in the true spirit of the chosen ones down SZR.

LR3, it's quite simple to understand that no rostering system will or can ever work unless it has the correct resourses to comply with the restrictions that it is charged with complying with.
I believe that EK hasn't been in a position to allow the rostering system to generate rosters for quite some time, without a considerable number of "ghost" pilots that in reality don't exist.

Overcrewed by 160 pilots to undercrewed in the space of a year?!?!?! Smells like sh!t to me and that letter seems to indicate that new guy is full of the same stuff. 5 weeks it's taken him to come up with that piece of literary genious. Agreed broken english, there is no big changes in my logbook from last year either. It's all bullsh!t.

So did Sky Air World :}

halas

Gentleman and Ladies

When you look at the BP execs being grillled by congress , the strongest argument came from workers on the rigs ( whistleblowers) who had expressed their concerns to their managers.

We have a professional obligation to do so. The ASR system is the single gauranteed source of information. This way there will be some accountablity at least in the ivory towers when the inevitable happens.

We know that ASR,s are read by the entire management structure from His Highness and the Chairman and the entire management team. So if the evidence were to present itself , they would not be able to pass the buck. They would have been informed.

I am disgusted at the blatant disregaurd for what the pilot group is saying referece fatigue.

Slightly off topic sorry chaps but just have a question and can't think of where else to put it.
I've just been having an aerosexual moment on airliners.net and there was a pic of an EK 777 Freighter landing in DUS.
If you fly the 777 can you be rostered for cargo flights or is this a seperate entity? I know the contract used to be flown by Atlas Air with the 747 if I'm not mistaken?
Again, apologies for taking this a bit off topic but just curious as I gather a bit more info before applying.

Cheers
CB:ok:

777F
 

If you fly the 777, you can also fly the 777F, after completing an on line differences course. Actually it's a breeze; no pax, no hosties, sometimes just a loadmaster, so no waiting for some buffoon who's shopping in duty free, or late connexions.

Apart from flying mostly at night it's pretty good. It usually leaves DXB empty, so it goes like a rat up a drain pipe.

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Fourgolds..

I agree with your point about filing ASR's. However, the management in this company can, and will, punish those of us who file an ASR that will make them look BAD.

Case in point? Check the ASR filed March 13 of this year. A380 flight DXB to SYD. TRE who was Captain (PF) intentionally flew above max speed below 5000. The operating FO filed the ASR, and since then has been off line for 3 months.... apparently he's SICK.. I can only imagine how his career is going to play out here at EK. And we have a very senior A380 TRE busting SOP's. (He continued his roster as normal) The post flight analysis confirmed the ASR report. (280 kts)

Another case in point? Manchester last year..

Jinglie'd

Jinglied,
"Below 10,000ft AAL, the max speed shall be limited to the GREATER of 250kts OR flaps up manouvering/clean speed, unless
a) the arrival or dep requires a higher speed or
b) a higher speed is requested by ATC

The speed limit is mandatory below 5000ft AAL".

( the speed limit in this instance being 250kts or clean speed)
Now i dont know what clean speed was on that day but maybe for such a long sector length it was above 250kts in which case acceleration to the clean speed would have been i.a.w company sops.

Instant Hooligan,

I think everyone knows that speed control SOP.

Jinglie'd

Well I've read the ASR you allude to and unless you know some information we are not privy to, then I dont understand your issue with the ASR in question?