Tx Jimal

That was easy!

Good point there Jim. Not sure about para 1.1. Does it mean that because it can be longer than 14hrs it must be crewed ULR then and not under a variation?

Sending an email to fleet asking for clarification, will let you know if there is any response.

The Don.

.....A 3 man crew operation is not permitted for any ULR sector with a scheduled Flight Time in excess of 15 hours.

In my opinion an ULR can be done 3 crew as long as is 15 hours or less.

O.I.C.

Standby for a new FCI, after the fact, calling JFK SLR and done with 3 pilots. Come oct/nov another FCI , update to ULR ops and it will include JFK

Yeah, but the 203 has never been operated 3 man crew, and thats as you say because of its start time. But that pattern even with 4 guys is pretty hard on the 1st operating crew.

As they say, keep recovering.

The Don

Jim,

That's my interpretation also, but I bet 'they' have got different ideas on the meaning!

I see that the 201 is back to 2 skippers again???

Possibly since more DEC joined!:}

weekly safety report
 

I have seen in the last weekly report a consistent increase in ASR due to fatigue.......

I am curious to see when finally something will change......de we really need an accident to get things changed?????
:ugh:

What a shame.......

Flare

Apparently a JFK was late awaiting connecting pax out of home base. Capt refused to go on discretion and informed FDM accordingly. Skipper + crew went home and scheduling had to pull out of reserve a fresh crew. Almost 3 hours delay on top of the initial one. That could be the reason behind 2 capts again on 201.

It is already on the table and will save roughly 100 upgrades...pushes upgrades back a bit I think

Dooner:(

If that turns out to be true, then staying here as an F/O is not much of an option. It is already a financial struggle on the F/O package with a family. :ugh:

Career advancement and a decent wage were the main reasons to justify leaving home. It certainly wasn't 'cause Dubai is a world class city in which to live!

Someone who seemed to have good intel regarding the whole ASR process, told me that the number of Fatigue ASR's is a key issue but the ratio of Fatigue ASR's to all other ASR's is also a factor.
In addition, the number of 'sick fatigue' days has gone through the roof in the past few months, which is another reason why Fatigue is finally becoming an issue and a problem, for our most senior managers.

Heard the NTSB is looking into the 2 FOs policy with the crash of AF330..

Well here we go folks as predicted by some, the latest FCI rewrite to the ULR Screwing issue states;
'' a ULR crew will normally comprise 2 captains and 2 first officers but may be revised to 1 captain and 3 first officers subject to the approval of DSVP-FO ''.

From FCI 2010-013 Para 1.10 ULR Generic Operational Plan (this week's version......), effective 26th April 2010.

"Heard the NTSB is looking into the 2 FOs policy with the crash of AF330.."

I believe this to be rubbish. NTSB has no authority over that investigation and U.S. airlines fly with 2 FOs in the cockpit at the same time (all have ATPs but are FO Qualified).

Nice try on the rumor mill but unless you have something concrete, this will be in the rubbish bin! Put this in the barrel with IRS audits of EK management!

Alive in D.C.

Did EK just change poilicy and allow its pilots to jumpseat??

...tcasguy...

All I know it is from a reputable source, a person I know who works for "Accident Investigation" @other.side.of.the.pond... and it IS on the table.. Difficult to put thru because of airline pressure...

Won't happen here cause SFOs are ATPs +10000h very experienced! and we never have 2 cadets flying together like AF... NO Sir!! :eek:

Will the NTSB be investigating the Polish Tu-154 incident as well?

:rolleyes:

Excuse my sarcasm.

Styo--read the thread man!!!!!!!!! He wrote the NTSB is investigating the concept of the 4 more crew with 3 FO's--not the accident itself.