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Mike.Park 15th Jun 2009 08:58

Gulf Aviation Academy (Bahrain)
 
Talal Al Zain the CEO of Mumtalakat says Gulf Aviation Academy (GAA) will be operational by the end of 2009 and that you'll be able to learn to fly towards your ATPL in Bahrain on an abintio programme without having to leave the country.

Place your bets! :}



Mumtalakat signs BD6m Cadet Pilot Training Program agreement with Tamkeen and Bahrain development Bank

Bahrainis aged from 18-30 years old will now have the opportunity to acquire the highest standard of pilot license thanks to a new agreement announced today to create a Cadet Pilot Training Program between Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company (Mumtalakat), Bahrain Development Bank (BDB) and Tamkeen (Labour Fund).

Under the terms of agreement, pre-selected Bahraini graduates will be able to undertake internationally certified commercial pilot training programs by attending Mumtalakat's soon to be launched pilot and crew training subsidiary, Gulf Aviation Academy. BDB will offer loans to cadets and Tamkeen will pay the interest of the loans. With a total budget of more than BD6m from BDB and Tamkeen, the program aims to train 100 pilots starting July to qualify for their Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL).

Talal Al Zain, CEO of Mumtalakat, said:
"This is an excellent initiative for Bahrainis and for the nation's economy. By working together, Mumtalakat, BDB and Tamkeen can offer Bahraini graduates the opportunity to train for their commercial pilot's license in Bahrain rather than training abroad. It also offers a great opportunity for our new subsidiary, Gulf Aviation Academy, which will offer pilot and crew training to Bahrainis and airline personnel from across the region. Commercial piloting is a high value job and will generate significant social and economic benefits for Bahrain's economy and help to meet the growing demand for pilots regionally. This is the first step in a long-term government strategy to help develop Bahraini skills and talent for the aviation industry. We're delighted to be playing our part in supporting the nation's 2030 Vision."
Gulf Aviation Academy (GAA) (under formation), will be the first aviation academy to be based in Bahrain and will manage the program, which is scheduled to commence towards the end of 2009. The program will be Ab-initio ('from the beginning') to qualify Bahraini graduates with no previous flying experience and have demonstrated the unique qualities needed to be a commercial pilot and able to handle the intensity of the 16-19 month course.

'This agreement will enhance efforts towards training personnel for the aviation industry,' said Bahrain Development Bank (BDB) CEO Mr. Nedhal Al Aujan. 'It will also support and enhance the Pilot Training Financing Program launched by the BDB late 2007.'

Al Aujan added, 'The new programme offers financial support to Bahraini graduates who wish to join the Gulf Aviation Academy which is currently under development by Mumtalakat. Tamkeen will be responsible of paying the interest of the financing which reflects the integrated role of the three parties towards implementing this program.'

'The BDB is working to achieve closer integration between financing and training to develop the national human resource in line with the Bahrain Economic vision for 2030, by creating a network of supporting companies with the same goal, illustrated today's announcement. The programme will be particularly important in meeting the increasing demand of the commercial aviation sector and the demand for the pilot training financing program launched by the bank in 2007, which has now funded 100 cadets, having disbursed BD3.3m of funding,' he stated.

Abdulelah Al Qassimi, Chief Executive of Tamkeen, commented, 'At Tamkeen our focus is very much on developing the skills of Bahrainis and making them the employees of choice in the private sector. That is why we have till date invested more than BD43m in training them for a huge range of careers from nurses and aeronautical engineers to accountants, IT professionals and call-centre staff. To date more than 19,000 young Bahrainis are being targeted to benefit from Tamkeen's initiatives of which 6000 are in our current programmes.'

Al Qassimi added, 'Therefore we are proud to be part of this agreement with Mumtalakat and BDB, which is presenting this opportunity for Bahrainis to enter the field of aviation. We continually strive to increase awareness of our extensive project work with graduates and training, career progression and employment programmes that we run for young Bahrainis.'


gilderoy lockhart 15th Jun 2009 16:33

Mike

I would imagine not good news for the Jordanian Flight Schools, who currently train the BDB sponsored cadets!

Mike.Park 15th Jun 2009 16:52

I found more details. I think the setup has something to do with Oxford Aviation as is clearly visible from the attached application form.

Introduction [word document]

Application form [pdf]


Questions I'd like answered are:

1. Will 100% of the training be conducted in Bahrain?
2. What airport do they plan on using as their training base?
3. What airports will they be using for cross-country flights?
4. What aircraft are they going to be flying?

5. Will changes be made to Bahrain's airspace? You cant overfly Bahrain.

BlueSky1 17th Jun 2009 08:42

Hey Mike.Park, Just wondering if the Gulf Aviation Academy has any official website or places for recruitment of staff. Been searching on line and I know they are accepting students, but what about Instructors??? Can't find any info on this.

Mike.Park 17th Jun 2009 09:31

Not that I'm aware of.

Get in touch with Mumtalakat as they're heavily involved.

ironbutt57 17th Jun 2009 13:22

Bit premature Bluesky1 but watch this space...:ok:

Mike.Park 17th Jun 2009 14:08

Well it appears that www.GulfAviationAcademy.com hasn't been registered yet. There are no MOIC records for a company formation under the name of 'Gulf Aviation Academy' either.

Mike.Park 22nd Jun 2009 14:11

Gulf Aviation Academy see strong demand from future Bahraini pilots

More than one hundred enthusiastic graduates and other individuals interested in pursuing a career in aviation have already visited the Gulf Aviation Academy in Muharraq to apply for the Ab-Initio program (High Flyer).


Source: AME

Che Guevara 22nd Jun 2009 15:55


More than one hundred enthusiastic graduates
Graduates of what? :rolleyes:

Mike.Park 22nd Jun 2009 21:30


Graduates of what
Spotty teenagers fresh out of school maybe? :}

Not sure if an investment of 6 million dinars in exchange for training 100 pilots is value for money.

Radar Contact 23rd Jun 2009 06:42

Update in figures;

102 Applications in 2 days.

10 Students each batch - starting from September.

100 Pilots total for 09/10

GBB 23rd Jun 2009 07:03

are they all going to end up with GF?
How all this is going to work, who is going to pay for their taining?

Mike.Park 23rd Jun 2009 14:54


How all this is going to work
No idea. Lots of unanswered questions.

Radar Contact 23rd Jun 2009 20:38

Hello,

No - They will not all end up with GF. Some will end up with 2B, some with G9 and some without jobs

BDB will be paying them and after you graduate you start paying them back regardless you were chosen or not.

Mike.Park 24th Jun 2009 10:55

Just got off the phone with GAA.

There will be no flight training in Bahrain. Apparently that's a long-term objective so the first few batches will be whisked off to "Oxford university academy" in the UK. She probably meant OAA.

Anyhow, if anyone has any questions their telephone number is:

+973 17-357777

AMEERKHALIL 24th Jun 2009 13:29

What is the role of Mumtalkat in this scheme?!... They are the owner of Gulf Air and I think they should grantee a job for the cadets other wise it is a waste of time.

Will they provide a pocket money?

BDB doesn't care whether you employed or not…. no wonder it is a bank.

It seems nothing was planed properly specially for the first scheme with Clark aviation 2007 where no body got a job yet and some others are wasting their money in Jordan.


My advice to you guys to open your eyes clearly before going to adventure that full of chaos.

Che Guevara 24th Jun 2009 18:39


What the role of Mumtalkat in this scheme?!... They are the owner of Gulf Air and I think they should grantee a job for the cadets other wise it is a waste of time
Interesting thoughts...

In this business (flying) there are no gurantees, you have to prove your abilities. It is the only game in the world where your licence, or job if you like, is on the line every 6 months. Secondly, your own life and those of your passengers are also on the line if you get it wrong, in other words beyond the percieved glamour, there is a serious amount of responsibility and hard work required that remains throughout your career.

So, as a potential pilot the above should be clearly understood. There are no freebies, its pass or fail. Furthermore, if anyone is considering borrowing 60,000 dinars to pay for their training because of a flashy brochure, I suggest they think very carefully about what they are tieing themselves into and their motivations for wanting the job.

Is it a good job, yes it's a great job.
Is it glamourous, no.
Is it easy, no.
Is it hard work, yes.
What happens if you loose medical peranently, you loose your licence and job permanentally, no matter how much you paid for it.


My advice to you guys to open your eyes clearly before going to adventure that full of chaos.
Probably the best thing you said was to 'open your eyes', in other words be careful, the only gurantee is that you will have to pay back the loan regardless of how successful you are.

Good luck to all.

Mike.Park 1st Jul 2009 09:17

Gulf Aviation Academy's High Flyer Program Taking Off


01 July 2009

More than 300 applications have now been received by the Gulf Aviation Academy ("GAA") (under formation) for its High Flyer Program, it was announced today. The High Flyer Program offers young Bahrainis the opportunity to train to become commercial pilots. The number of applications by male and female Bahrainis had already exceeded expectations prior to the BD6 million program's deadline of 25 June for the first batch of students.

100 applicants will be selected to undertake the screening process which will be held at GAA's premises in Muharraq during the coming two weeks. Selected applicants will be contacted by GAA for information on screening date and time.


The program will train up to 100 cadet pilots to qualify for their Airline Transport Pilot's License ("ATPL") over 16-19 months. Led by Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company ("Mumtalakat") in partnership with Bahrain Development Bank ("BDB") and Tamkeen (Labor Fund), the High Flyer Program will enhance efforts towards training Bahrainis for the aviation industry to meet the increasing demand of the commercial aviation sector and to also create economic benefits for Bahrain as a whole.


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I don't agree with the way screening is going to take place.

AMEERKHALIL 1st Jul 2009 19:37

Are they going to select only 100 from the 300 applicants to do the assessment ?

If that is the case how the program will train up to 100 cadet pilots on last quarter of 2009?

Mike.Park 1st Jul 2009 21:23

It sounds ill-thought out to be honest. :bored:

Of the 300 applicants, around 100 of them will be invited to go through the selection process.

The selection process costs BD200 and those invited will have to cough up the cash.

a. Where's the financial sense in limiting 100 'wannabes' to go through the selection process when they're paying for it? Why not allow all 300 applicants to prove themselves and go through the selection process. 300 applicants x BD200 = BD60,000

b. They run the risk of neglecting good talent by dwindling down the numbers BEFORE they get the chance to go through the selection process. Why not narrow down the numbers based on the results of the selection process?

WELCO 1st Jul 2009 23:25

Hey young hounds!


I guess I have something to share here.


Why not allow all 300 applicants to prove themselves and go through the selection process.

1) They don't want cadets who can only perform well in the rigorous aptitude tests and skill assessment. They want those who combine both the aptitude AND the superior academic history. The priority will be given to the 100 applicants who have the highest Highschool GPA, a plus to those who have completed a respected university degree. I think it carries the essence of perfection when selecting cadets of high caliber for this program.

2) The rest of applicants will be kept in a "hold pool" if you like to call it! In case the initial 100 applicants don't qualify to any subsequent stage, the rest will be contacted with respect to the same priority conditions.

3) One rationale behind limiting the number to only 100 cadets is the overbooking issue in Oxford Aviation Academy. So even those 100 cadets who will successfully pass the assessment/aptitude won't be sent to Oxford all at once. They will be divided into small batches to be sent to OAA over several months.

4) This program is likely to continue sending more cadets in the future. Might be open again in few months!


All in all, I think the process is fair enough since they have expected the overwhelming response from young aficionados! Aviation industry is winning...and other people too!!


Good luck to you all.

Mike.Park 2nd Jul 2009 09:27


1) They don't want cadets who can only perform well in the rigorous aptitude tests and skill assessment.
I disagree.

GAA will never know who can truly perform well as they decided they would not give everyone the opportunity to go through selection (even though the applicant would be paying).

That means you might actually have individuals who'll be able to outperform the so called "academics".

It is ultimately the selection process which will determine whether:

a. You've got what it takes to successfully complete your abinitio training
b. You've got what it takes to successfully gain employment as a first officer.

I hope you'll agree with me that you won't be typing up essays to convey arguments validated by evidence at 35,000 feet.

Flight training is vocational in nature. Your high school GPA will not show your potential for leadership, it will not show how well you can recall, it will not show how spatially aware you are, it will not show your hand/eye co-ordination or team working abilities etc.


The rest of applicants will be kept in a "hold pool" if you like to call it! In case the initial 100 applicants don't qualify to any subsequent stage
Again, this supports my argument that they should all be allowed to go through the selection process instead of having to resort to feeding off a hold pool because the "academics" haven't lived upto their expectations.


One rationale behind limiting the number to only 100 cadets is the overbooking issue in Oxford Aviation Academy.
I have no issue with them limiting numbers, but as i said in my previous post, the number crunching should be done after they have gone through selection.

Who's running the show at GAA?

WELCO 2nd Jul 2009 11:51

Mike.Park

Habibi why you have a sense of anger in you words? I've only mentioned the information that I've got from some officials close to the program! I don't defend the program, but my own estimation is fairly positive towards the whole thing.

It's your right to disagree, although I have different analysis.

1) No shame to select cadets based on satisfactory aptitude combined with proven academic path success. The very demanding training process will always appreciate those who can progress faster than others.

2) According to my source, and hopefully he knows exactly what he's talking about, this is just a start, or you may say it's a beta version but with well-defined risk margins. More cadets might have better opportunities with GAA in the foreseen future.


Boys & Girls...Just keep the dream alive!

WELCO 4th Jul 2009 17:36

Today was the first day of assessment & aptitude tests. Out of 20 applicants allocated for the day, less than 10 were able to make it through the very tough Oxford's selection. Those who passed will be invited to day-2 assessment which is relatively much easier.

I do feel sorry for the ones who couldn't pass day 1. But on the other side of the cruel life, the news bring hope to more cadets in the hold pool to compensate!

Mike.Park 4th Jul 2009 20:47

Well I hope they are given a full de-brief after they go through selection considering they're paying a BD200 premium!

Sultan85 4th Jul 2009 20:51

oxford?:rolleyes:

what a joke!:}

WELCO 4th Jul 2009 23:08

What joke are you talking about?!! I don't see anything funny in there.

hamani 5th Jul 2009 14:24

I would like to know more information about how the process is being done. Are they calling 20 by 20 students for each day until all 150 or so applicants are done with? How about the payment, are payments made on the day of the assessment? With regards to the timing, when were these applicants informed regarding the test dates? Any information you would know would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Che Guevara 5th Jul 2009 15:38


oxford? what a joke
:=

Nope, no joke there, one of the best in the business. In fact this is by far the smartest decision made so far.

Mike.Park 5th Jul 2009 16:27

Apparently a representative from Oxford Aviation flew out to Bahrain to help setup the screening & assessment process that would have ordinarily taken place over in Kidlington.

AMEERKHALIL 5th Jul 2009 16:57

Any body invited for day 2 ?

Sultan85 5th Jul 2009 17:22

Welco + Che Guevara ,

The joke I m talking about have nothing to do with you, what I was talking about is do they really need them for day1? And how much it cost? It cost you 200BD non refundable :eek:----- (((that’s a joke in my opinion)))


I hope it's clear now for you.:ok:

Mike.Park 5th Jul 2009 20:19


It cost you 200BD non refundable http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/eek.gif----- (((that’s a joke in my opinion)))

Apart from the price being somewhat steep, I have no problem with paying providing I get my money's worth ie, I get a debrief and run down of my performances on the test areas and how i did, and was given advice at the end of it on what I could do to improve my results for next time.

I'm hoping that has been happening. If not, then the BD200 isnt justifiable.

WELCO 5th Jul 2009 22:24

I need to make a correction that looks significant. The exact number of applicants who have successfully passed day 1 is only 5 out of 22!!! I've seen the very excited 5 young men (sunday morning) in the simulator building while they were about to start day 2 assessment. On the other side, more applicants were getting ready for their big day, day 1!




Apparently a representative from Oxford Aviation flew out to Bahrain to help setup the screening & assessment process that would have ordinarily taken place over in Kidlington.



As a matter of fact, a complete Senior assessment team from Oxford came over fully equiped with special PC,s and joysticks and pedals! It is intended to be a copy/paste of the orginal version of the assessment taking place back in Oxford.




ie, I get a debrief and run down of my performances on the test areas and how i did, and was given advice at the end of it on what I could do to improve my results for next time.

I'm hoping that has been happening. If not, then the BD200 isnt justifiable
Nope, not happening a bit. I agree with you.




Are they calling 20 by 20 students for each day until all 150 or so applicants are done with?
Average number of applicants invited per day is 20. They shall continue calling applicants until 100 qualified cadets are spotted.




are payments made on the day of the assessment?
Yes.




when were these applicants informed regarding the test dates?
Just couple of days before day 1. Those who were there for day 2 have been contacted yesterday at night.

baker91 5th Jul 2009 23:57

hi everyone
i heard a rumor i dnt know whether it is right or wrong but i need some answers because i heard that the 100 GAA cadets will get a gaurantee job with gulfair after they finish is this even possible ... and what will happen then to the cadets in jordan ?????:}

gilderoy lockhart 6th Jul 2009 03:21

When do they intend to start training in Bahrain and not sending students to Oxford? At the moment what part does the Gulf Aviation Academy have in this?

Mike.Park 6th Jul 2009 09:18


The exact number of applicants who have successfully passed day 1 is only 5 out of 22!!!
That would work out to be a failure rate of 77.2% which is pretty high for day 1. I know that the theoretical knowledge needed to pass the maths & physics sections of Oxford's tests does not extend beyond GCSE level (16 years of age in the UK)

I also heard that those who are successful will be be offered a BD50,000 (£82,000) loan which will need to be paid back in installments.

Is that figure correct?! :bored:

WELCO 6th Jul 2009 12:35


That would work out to be a failure rate of 77.2% which is pretty high for day 1. I know that the theoretical knowledge needed to pass the maths & physics sections of Oxford's tests does not extend beyond GCSE level (16 years of age in the UK)

Day 1 is not only maths and physics. These are supposed to be the easiest parts. Oxford's tests are based on "360 assessment" I can say. Correlating the results of the tests they provide "COMPASS TESTS" to every mental and motor skill needed to make an airline pilot. COMPASS tests can accurately assess these skills that someone might simply have or don't have.

The pass rate for day 1 with GAA is yet very poor vs. UK pass rate which is usually 60-65%.

And yes.. around BHD50,000

Mike.Park 6th Jul 2009 13:37


And yes.. around BHD50,000
Why so much? The catalog list price for oxford's integrated course is 40k Dinars (66k GBP)

Oh, and by the way Oxford's skills aseesement is only £195 (118BD)

40&80 6th Jul 2009 21:33

Any more news regarding the termination of Gulf Air Captains over the age of 60?
Interesting the national students having to pay back the £85K for training and possibly also their accommodation?
I do not think the GF national student in the 1970s at Oxford had to do this.


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