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Yes, apparently they won't have their contracts renewed as this is new over 60 rule applies throughout Bahrain (for expats only).
Yes things have changed in GF re. the national students having to pay for their training now. I guess GF's pockets are not that deep now with Abu D gone etc.
I met a few 'candidates' recently on my way through the sim building. What I found most interesting was that not one in that particular group knew anything about airplanes....zip. Surely if you are going to be hit with a bill of the amount quoted, you might have some knowlege about what you were getting into or even what it is all about, other than it is a good job....?

These student may not know Zip about aviation but if they do not like the job or the training I think they will simply walk away.
I agree... this is another GF dream again poorly thought through.
The new law that all the expat bankers, industrial managers and investment boys and pilots buggering off at sixty will IMHO not be cost effective as they will bugger off well before 60 to other Gulf states which will welcome them and their skills and their money with open arms.
This law is also not positive news for the Bahrain property market.

AL so in Qatar maximum age for expart 60 , Bahrain doing the right thing to support local employments .

Any new news Welco?.... I think today is the last day of screening for the 100 applicants.

No job guarantee. However, Oxford's training standards are high enough to guarantee a cockpit seat with any major airline!




You may have another deeper look at the prices.

66,000 for the Integrated course alone.
11,000-13,000 for accommodation.
5,000 for regulatory and Exam fees.
Total @ approx. GBP85,000




Yeah, not even those of 1998 if I'm not mistaken. But that was full cadet sponsorship program.




Day 2 assessment is considering the aviation industry knowledge of applicants. If they don't know what's in it for them, they are likely to fail!

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But then again, what is there to inspire young Bahrainis? General Aviation is non-existent, military aviation is non-existant, there are no social clubs or groups, no Air Cadets... remote control planes are illegal.... you get the picture http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/wbored.gif

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The demand for pilots of Nationals is increasing. Not only in Bahrain, but also in the whole region. This is a chance for highly qualified national cadets with the most prestigious aviation academy in the world. Perfect fit I believe!




The assessment is still going on. They will continue to invite more applicants for few more days.

a. There is no guarantee of a job anywhere, irregardless of the choice of FTO.

b. As all of the applicants are Bahraini nationals, they wont be able to secure employment anywhere else in the world apart from Bahrain.


Whilst they may be training towards a UK CAA issued licence, they do not have the right to live & work in the European Union and therefor employment with UK/EU airlines is virtually impossible.

Realistically speaking, their only initial employment prospects are with the Bahraini owned airlines such as Gulf Air, and Bahrain Air.

Whilst the bigger airlines in the region such as Emirates, Etihald, Qatar Airways do accept pilots fresh out of flight schools, they all have policies in place which limit applications to their own nationals only (just like the policy Gulf Air has with Bahraini pilots).

This is very well known I think.. and my words about the job guarantee were just to roughly point out the value of having EASA licence issued from the UK CAA after an integrated training course with OAA!!

While for working in the EU, it's already impossible for those cadets to work there because of other reasons that are very VERY well known too!:=


Many things could develop sooner than you think! you don't know how could something like GAA change the rules!!

WELCO
 

Care to elaborate on that?
So what is the current pass rate anyway?

Cheers

Che
 

I don't have accurate data about this for the moment. The ambitious plans of GAA might include supplying other airlines in the region with newly licenced pilots. Once the structure of GAA is finalized, many things will be clearer.

For the pass rate, until last Tuesday it has remained very poor with a total of only 7 applicants invited for day 2 assessment.

Cheers mate

I am a bit confused. How does sending cadets to Oxford in the UK constitute the founding of the Gulf Aviation Academy?

Prior to this BDB with Gulf Air approval, were carrying out selection testing to send students to Jordan, now it's UK. Clearly the selection standards are more rigorous and Oxford are a quality outfit issuing EASA licence, rather than Jordanian FAA based CPL, but in concept nothing has changed!

GAA = The middle man. Money to be made. The cadet absorbs all the financial risk.

GAA is where the successful candidates will enroll for their first type rating course..

Since when has GAA been a certified TRTO?! :bored:

That's the plan anyway apparently, not to sure if it only for "airline candidates", or if anybody will be able to just walk in for a type rating

GAA & OAA are both together in this right from the very early start. Sending cadets to OAA for the whole integrated course is the temporary plan until GAA is on its feet. Looking back at the long history between Mumtalakat (or solely GF in the past) and OAA, this doesn't look very odd to me.

Well yeah, there was nothing wrong with the concept from the beginning. It has only become more organized and regulated. As I said before, I believe it carreis the essence of perfection. In Jordan, it was a big mess, and I think GAA plus OAA are making a fantastic recovery for the sake of GF!

So at the moment GAA is effectively the former training department from Gulf Air offering a type rating to the students after they have paid to go to Oxford. Will the students have to pay for the type rating as well?

Surely the way ahead has got to be to move to MPL with the Core and Basic phase done at Oxford and the intermediate and Advanced at GAA in Bahrain. Chris R Gulf training manager said that was what Gulf Air wanted at the Aqaba MPL forum in 2008!

GAA has nothing to do with the training department at GF. GAA is only owned by Mumtalakat which is the owner of several governmental companies including GF. Oxford graduates will get the opportunity to do the sim check and if hired, GF will sponsor their type rating just like any other non-type rated pilot.

And your projection for MPL training might be very close to the actual plans. However, this seems far from execution now.

GulfAir/OAA/GAA/Mumtalakat/Tamkeen/BDB = Messy & unnecessary

Why can't Gulf Air just run a mentored pilot scheme?

If Gulf Air are in need of freshly qualified Bahraini pilots, they could have run their own mentored pilot scheme. This would involve GF running their own selection process and offering successful candidates conditional employment with Gulf Air providing they successfully complete and fund their training at an FTO nominated by GF.

- There would be no financial risk to Gulf Air
- The financial risk to the candidate will be largely reduced (due to the conditional job offer which will make access to a training loan much easier)

Wouldn't this be a win-win for everyone?

If your after positive spin, lies, and PR the GDN would be a good place to start.

Silver

"Guys give us a break from negativity."

If they do start MPL as Welco intimates, I look forward to your positive posts!

Mike.Park & gilderoy lockhart

Don't put my words out of context!:=

Saying that

"GulfAir/OAA/GAA/Mumtalakat/Tamkeen/BDB = Messy & unnecessary"

is totally unfair and presuming failure of the program before even letting things happen and yield some results! That's a negative attitude!!!

At what point did I presume failure?! I said it was messy & unnecessary.

Nobody wants to see young Bahraini men & women sinking in debt because of broken (and sometimes false) promises.

Mike.Park

From the beginning you looked so much against GAA and the other stuff..or at least you looked not happy with it...unlike all the 300+ guys who ahave applied for the program!! what's the matter pal???:rolleyes:

You know what... I guess you were invited to the assessment but couldn't pass..may be!:E

Dream on!

a. I don't live in Bahrain
b. I have no intentions of applying

Hi

Did they call anyone for the next step ?

I had passed my interview and I am still waiting for their next call !

GAA website
 

Who designed that?....hope they didn't pay for it.

What a sham. :rolleyes:

It was paid for - designed by none other than Al-Nadeem IT in Bahrain :yuk:

It was no less designed and implemented by a few IT pro's from India. If there is one thing that Indians should not have any connection with is computers, especially IT.

WELCO you said "GAA has nothing to do with the training department at GF"

Looking at the map on the website, the GAA facility seems to be in exactly the same place as Gulf Air's training department!

Well, GAA and the training department at GF are closely tied to each other, or even interchanging.

The above statment is true only if you are a "speculations fan"!!

Up to the minute, GAA is not overtaking or replacing GF's training department by any means. Could this happen in the future?? I don't know, I only care to share facts not fiction! And the fact here is that GAA officials have mentioned in the media something about plans to offering advanced training to GF staff BUT they are not ready-to-execute plans. Things will take time to develop.

Since Mumtalakat is the owner of both GF and GAA, I see nothing wrong with the map! If you've ever been there you will notice that there is nothing carrying the name of GAA officially. The only visible proof of existance of GAA is few scattered "paper signs". So don't forget the "under formation" trace! No rush.


I think when the "careers" section in that website is open, many things will be clearly understood.

Hello

Any new news ? :rolleyes:

hey Guys,

does anyone have any idea when or if they will have the program again, apparently not reading the paper has it's downfalls.

''25th of June'' was the last date to get in.