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Morgan S.P 4th Jun 2018 15:59


Originally Posted by polax52 (Post 10164548)
The Flyadeal fleet is not considered in that 200 either. Obviously it is impossible. They have managed to enlarge the fleet from 121 to about 138 (currently operating) aircraft since 2013. That's with the training center at full capacity and using expats that take half the training time.

They currently have sufficient Saudi's to crew 108 aircraft. How can you increase that number by 92 aircraft in 2 years? Sorry, I forgot, drag cadets in off the street, that'll resolve the problem.:hmm:

I heard tha SV just got 30 777-300ER options from EK. Any inside info????
If true, are this 30 to add or replace the fleet???
Any option SV will open for expact DEC B777 20/10 roster in the next year due this 30 aircraft??
On 20/10 roster is school allowance ovearseas available?

polax52 4th Jun 2018 18:24


Originally Posted by Morgan S.P (Post 10164757)
I heard tha SV just got 30 777-300ER options from EK. Any inside info????
If true, are this 30 to add or replace the fleet???
Any option SV will open for expact DEC B777 20/10 roster in the next year due this 30 aircraft??
On 20/10 roster is school allowance ovearseas available?

If what you've heard is true then the answer to all those questions is possibly.

They don't want to hire foreign pilots though. For your questions to be answered in the affirmative, they'll have to be very short.

Flyboy_SG 12th Jun 2018 21:19

May be they'll start hiring after the 30th 777 joins the fleet.
77 Sims are only used for recurrent training, there is no intial training happening now.

But as of now, I don't think they are making use of all the 77s.

DC10/767 21st Aug 2018 13:42

No more expatriate hiring and they will reduce salaries. No productivity and many other points from october 2018. Confirmed.

metro301 21st Aug 2018 14:14


Originally Posted by DC10/767 (Post 10229715)
No more expatriate hiring and they will reduce salaries. No productivity and many other points from october 2018. Confirmed.

Gotta raise the BS flag on this one.

They have not hired expats for almost two years, so no change there.

As for salary reduction, they are short on all equipment. Highly unlikely to reduce salary in the middle of shortages.

DC10/767 21st Aug 2018 15:07

I wish I am wrong. I flew to Manila with one of the managers and is true. Actually, they don’t know what they are doing. No plan. But yes, with this situation of shortage what makes sense is hire and raise salaries. But........you know how this works. I hope I am wrong

Flyboy_SG 14th Sep 2018 23:17


Originally Posted by DC10/767 (Post 10229774)
I wish I am wrong. I flew to Manila with one of the managers and is true. Actually, they don’t know what they are doing. No plan. But yes, with this situation of shortage what makes sense is hire and raise salaries. But........you know how this works. I hope I am wrong

let’s wait till October. Interesting times though.


Any updates on the pay review? Anyone ?

captain.weird 10th Mar 2019 11:47

Hi guys, had anything changed at SV? No more hirings of foreigners?

Would love to hear.

polax52 10th Mar 2019 20:40


Originally Posted by captain.weird (Post 10412297)
Hi guys, had anything changed at SV? No more hirings of foreigners?

Would love to hear.

All recruitment of foreign Pilots has stopped. It will not start again in the near term.

metro301 11th Mar 2019 12:55


Originally Posted by polax52 (Post 10412842)
All recruitment of foreign Pilots has stopped. It will not start again in the near term.

I am not 100% sure that this is currently accurate. I heard talk of a recent recruitment drive in CAI for SVA. This is an unconfirmed rumour.

polax52 11th Mar 2019 15:30


Originally Posted by metro301 (Post 10413662)
I am not 100% sure that this is currently accurate. I heard talk of a recent recruitment drive in CAI for SVA. This is an unconfirmed rumour.

It never happened. Unconfirmed rumour about a recruitment drive...LOL

LNAV VNAV - 11th Mar 2019 16:19

I heard that the recruiters went to Cairo but no candidates turned up.

Klimax 11th Mar 2019 20:13

WHY would anyone in their right sane mind even consider going to an airline operation based in Saudi Arabia (KSA), when there are so many airlines around the world recruiting onto Airbus and Boeings. You have to be nuts to go there for a job in the Saudi desert, unless of course you´re currently flying for an Indonesian or Philippino one and you get a pay (only) increase. Wow. Just wondering? Why? Because Saudi is such an awesome and interesting country to live in? Just curious what drives people to consider this option. Cheers.

mutt 11th Mar 2019 22:47

Because Saudi is such an awesome and interesting country to live in?

Actually if you get outside, it is an awesome and interesting country to live in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...tructures.html

Python27 11th Mar 2019 23:32


Originally Posted by mutt (Post 10414343)
Because Saudi is such an awesome and interesting country to live in?

Actually if you get outside, it is an awesome and interesting country to live in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...tructures.html

All you need to enjoy it is a drone! Pronto...

metro301 12th Mar 2019 02:04


Originally Posted by LNAV VNAV - (Post 10413908)
I heard that the recruiters went to Cairo but no candidates turned up.

That is the one I heard...


Originally Posted by polax52 (Post 10413860)
It never happened. Unconfirmed rumour about a recruitment drive...LOL

uncomfirmed LOL

Flyboy_SG 25th Mar 2019 11:37


Originally Posted by metro301 (Post 10413662)
I am not 100% sure that this is currently accurate. I heard talk of a recent recruitment drive in CAI for SVA. This is an unconfirmed rumour.


No way... They just didn’t renew the contracts of 9 Expat first officers due to saudiization. So it’s happening.

metro301 25th Mar 2019 15:42

Have you seen the number of Saudi Nationals that are newly released or currently in trg?

30+ KSA national RUH based FO's are on their way to 330 transition.

The writing was on the wall for the past year concerning the expat FO's....

polax52 26th Mar 2019 20:26


Originally Posted by metro301 (Post 10429439)
Have you seen the number of Saudi Nationals that are newly released or currently in trg?

30+ KSA national RUH based FO's are on their way to 330 transition.

The writing was on the wall for the past year concerning the expat FO's....

Contract renewals will be made based on operational requirements. That suggests that the timing of your contract expiry may decide whether they require you or release you.

They are upgrading a large number of local F/O's and replacing those F/O's at a slower rate with cadets. That indicates that they still require the expat F/O's. Currently however, management believes utilisation to be poor relative to industry standard, that means that there is some slack in the system allowing for a number of expat F/O's to be released. With substantial growth however, that is unlikely to continue.

In my opinion they're a little like the Chinese, they don't want foreign Pilots but they need foreign Pilots. You have factions within management and government (exactly like China). There are those who understand the need for foreign Pilots and the those who want to remove foreign Pilots at any cost.

polax52 26th Mar 2019 20:42

Just to add that they are upgrading F/O's to Captains in the path of cadets who are receiving minimal training by industry standards.
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