In a nutshell >> No.

Yes they are........

Not required.

Saudi Nationals ONLY

Mutt

Saudia Interview and Medical
 

Hello All,
I have a interview coming up and I think I have most of the "gouge" but any additional info would be appreciated. Also I would appreciate any insight into the the Sim and medical evaluation.
Gratitude,

Expat pilots?
 

What proportion of pilots at Saudia are non-Saudi? And are female expats employed there?

I would guess at 10%, no females unless you count the ones flying the leased aircraft.

Mutt

0%

Saudi law dictates no women. Best bet is the leasing guys. pm me for more.

Interview Cancelled
 

After buying a ticket to Paris was advised By Karim that flight operations informed him my hours dont meet the "current" requisite... Oh well, God's will. Best of luck to you all going to Paris.

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

How many times have we advised people not to buy their own ticket?

Mutt

Dicked around jerked around is the name of the game in the middle east.

Agree with mutt and even with a job offer in hand, take your leave balance and try your new job before resigning, unless off course you have some personal insight. They might not have the required visa yet approved by the government and it all goes to p*** :cool:

While i can name 2 companies where this is presently happening, AFAIK, SVA isn't one of them.

Mutt

Mutt,

A friend is interested in an A320 position, are the interviews in Jeddah at the moment? Thanks.

With present fleet orders, they will need crew for the foreseeable future, so no harm submitting the resume to BK or PARC.

Mutt

saudia hiring
 

They will always hire pilots as pilots do not last long here. The average 2 years. They do not even finish the initial 3 years contract. The pay is the best in the Middle East and China. A 777 captain may earn easily US$30,000 a month! However the company is a mess. Their HR and bosses are the worst. New chief pilots every 2 months. They are never in the office, all the key movements are delegated to Pakistanis and Indians (both with stone age management skills in Saudi and their respective countries; see airlines from India and Pakistan ....enough said)

The HR office in USA is in DC not Houston. There the "girl friends" of some Saudis with power just use the traveling benefits and are never in the office!

The last course for the A330 started a few months ago with 7 pilots and today only 2 are left and will leave soon! They were mostly Egyptians from Egypt Air, experienced in the A330. They are Arabs, Muslims and they could not digest the "culture". Just figure out what it can do to a red neck!

If you need money and have the patience to take their sh.... for a few months, get the rating, get the time, get the fabulous paycheck and then stay if you can. You will probably leave in 18 months maximum.

Are they recruiting non type rated plots or not whats the deal
here we go 6k + left seat 76 , last I got back was i only had sufficient experience for a320 Duh!!!

Wow... Are u sure about this? What nationality and/or length of service is required to earn that amount?

Saddest, they have hours/weight categories, the 767 is probably lighter than the category required for the 777.

Mutt

777 salary
 

The salary doubles as soon as you pass 90 hours so seniority is not an issue. In any case the salaries are the highest in the Middle East. First Officers on the A320 during Ramadan cashed over US$15,000. They also get paid for night flying, flying on days off, productivity, and extra money over 45--yes Forty Five-hours of block time. Again after 90 hours double salary + the extras.

Saddest aviator:

The Cat "D" threshold is, if memory serves me well, 170t. So, some of 767 models don't fit into "D". It's often on tip of your pen. Just don't mention particular model and generic B767 may be good enough. In my case they counted all my 757/767 hours as cat"D"...., as this was the same type rating.

well it was quite clear from the emailed reply that nobody had read the cv and application form when presented, 3000+ left seat 763, 3000+752/762/733/ng 11k total, 9.5k mr boeing.how many more hoops does one have to jump tyhrough, WHY DONT HR RUN ALL ASPECTS OF THE AIRLINE THEN WE WOULDNT NEED PILOTS ANY MORE!!!!!!!:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

So what you are saying Mutt is that they would rather have a 330 jock trained on the 777 than a 763 jock, that that makes perfect sense, no wonder airlines are in the state they are in:ugh:

not sure mutt is referring to anything but seemingly steep to be making 30k/month easily, to which i agree. however, rating and experience has nothing to do with employment, type, or pic, it's called wasta :ok:

just read the gf crash report and you know what wasta means.

Saddest aviator:

At my time it was 4000h left seat on Cat D. Some credit was also given for lighter aircraft. So, it may be not enough.
They don't consider Airbus or Boeing. Just weight and left seat hours.
Once again, if you have enough left seat hours on 767, don't break it into subtypes. Let it be 767. They may well be happy not to ask about details.

IF, and thats very big IF, you want the job badly enough then write to the HR stating that you qualify based on A.B.C..... as per the policy. Failing that, apply to Emir Airlines as a B767 pilot.

Actually it is, because its tied with length of service and annual pay increments.

This is not correct, MGT is 78 hours CREDIT HOURS, so at 90 hours you will have 12 hours overtime, not double salary. While the figures that you mention are obtainable, they are not obtainable by new-hires because of their starting salaries.

Mutt

double salary
 

Mutt, I fly for Saudi Airlines. So if you are discussing the whereabouts of double salary get informed first. Most people in the A320 and 777 fly overtime to hit the double salary. They just do not have enough pilots.

You are also wrong on the new-hires salary scale. Seniority is accountable only for Saudis. Seniority for expats has effect mainly at the end of the contract and some perks.

To me double salary is the point where you have earned double your basic salary, so for the A320 the MGT is 73 hours, double that is 146 hours credit time, as overtime kicks in at MGT plus 20 and the rate is 1.5:1, that means you only have to achieve 128 credit hours to get paid double salary, not 90 hours as you have stated. For your information, only 1 Captain achieved that in the month of October.

As for the B777, the magic number to reach double salary is 138 credit hours. No Captain reached that number during the month of October.

Even allowing for the additional productivity based on 100 block hours, no new hire earning the amount that you are stating!

Seniority applies to everyone, you will notice that you get a 3% pay increment next Wednesday. So all of your salary, overtime, flight time benefits are increased.

So please, if your intention is to encourage or discourage people from joining SVA, please quote realistic facts, this will allow them to make an informed decision.

Mutt

Hi Mutt,

He is probably including pilot expense/per diem. If included, 66k sar is pretty realistic, hence "double salary". Not technically correct, but I see his logic.

As for 30,000 usd a month, lol, only if you included the Ramadan bonus for that particular month.

Unfortunately his statement indicated that you got double salary and the extra's. You and I both know that 30K isn't likely for new hires, and considering that most new hires will spend 4 months @ 50% basic salary and then 25% until they reach the required bond, it isn't fair to give people the wrong impression that they will earn $30K per month!

Mutt

I totally agree with you Mutt.

I would be surprised if even the senior locals are seeing 30k on a regular basis.

double salary
 

Mutt, you seem to know it all in reference to the pay scale in Saudia. The fact that you keep track of the number of people who made double salary or not tells me you DON'T have a life. LOL

I do not care about bringing in people to Saudia or not. The package is generous even for new hires. You did not mention that after 45 hours there is a productivity increment and other perks like pay for flying on days off . You just tried to confuse with the MGT plus 20 and the ratio 1.5:1 and other BS.

Barry, you may be informed but you are not providing realistic facts either.

I will no longer participate in this forum and have no interest or time to spend in this.

To the people who complain about HR and its delays, Mr. B. K...m has been there for over 25 years and his HR skills are from the 1950's. A desk full of dust piled with hundreds of folders. It will not change and do not expect timely reply of emails, e-courtesy of any type of Western type efficiency. We are here in the year 1494.

It's extremely rude to name someone like this, especially when you are WRONG! You should consider removing the name.

You obviously have never heard of Sabre Report Manager!!

Mutt

@fuelleak
 

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That's not correct. We have 1434 this year. :) 1.Muharam

Hi guys!
Saudia has nothing in it's website on flightdeck positions, are they hiring through a contractor? If not, what is the proper channel to lodge an application? Thanks for any info rendered.

Fleet
 

Saudia's fleet has always got me curious why they operate so many types (some of them ancient) and secondly why a fair few of them are leased from so many other airlines?
My knowledge of the region is limited but it seems strange that the likes of Emirates, Etihad, Gulf etc buy everything new and always have the latest kit.

Acording to Wiki (yes I know not reliable) They still operate 7 743's :eek:. 6 of their 744's are from Air Atlanta and 2 even from Orient Thai apparently :eek:. Surely such a long established airline based in an oil rich state shouldn't need to lend of the likes of them?

First mistake is trying to make sense of just about anything in the Middle East and most certainly in countries like Saudi or Kuwait.

Trust me I have spent far to much time and energy trying to figure out why these folks do some of the obviously really bad business decisions. The best I can come up with is somewhere along what ever process some individual or group can make a buck. It has nothing to do with what is right or wrong good or bad.

Now granted this can be a pervasive problem with any venture. The difference here is it is normal and widely accepted (wasta)

In the end we must go about our own business collect your pay and enjoy your days off.

Whew! thanks need to get that one out every so often.

Hello all,
Happy new year! I just finished reading this thread in its entirety. It appears that SV is not currently hiring. They are however accepting applications for A320 Captains.
Can any one correct me on the info. I am a regional pilot on the right seat in the Great US of A. Thanks again in advance.

Fuel Leak.
Really have to disagree the statement about BK in HR.
Have over 11 years in Jeddah, 9 with Saudia, rest with other companies contract for saudia.
Flying and FCGT.
BK is an honest man and will help you settle anything if its within his jurisdiction.
I can say this about Saudia, you work there you will be paid according to your contract in entirety.
If you want to gamble, go to the UAE and watch how they change your current contract and cheat you.

recently retired
 

To respond to Mutt and Earl; I recently retired from Saudia after a long career.
Many years of searching, as we as contractors usually do, I find that the grass is not always greener; just a different shade of brown. When you get to the basic "ins and outs" of working in the mideast, Saudia has always been honest and forthcoming. Pay was never a concern. As pilots we all complain about pay rates and seniority, but thats life in our world. Most of us complained about free meals on board.
The double paycheck is very possible if you will do 110 hours credit. i was lucky in the past year to have a lot of deadhead time and reached that amount.

whatever was written in my contract and mutually agreed to was honored. My checkout procedure was must easier than why people told me they went through a few years ago. Just be patient and take a step at a time. The final payout might take a bit of time depending upon bank clearances and selling a car; but since i was a retiree; the weather in JED was nice and i had nothing pressing.

Good Luck

You are the end of an era, I wonder if you ever thought that you would retire here flying B744's?

Congratulations on the retirement :ok::ok::ok:

Mutt

of course not
 

When i was hired at TWA, i was told i was too young for the line, so had to go to SFS, but the door might open sometime to transfer. Seemed that option would open and close depending on new plane orders for the line.
Came a long way from a light twin pilot to the 744.

Just too bad i didnt have another year or so to fly the '800' but thats life

God Bless all my friends and colleagues I've met through the years

Recruiting 777 Pilots now! with screenings in march!
 

Looks like they are recruiting again.

:O Contractair

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