Although in reading this thread I sympathize with you folks concerns, under FAA rules I'm pretty sure this trip is legal. In fact most of my fellow US crewmembers would prefer this same 24 hr layover as it gives them more time in their own bed and that's all they care about.

Yep, sure is, as the flight is operated with a full double FD crew.

When folks went to EK and knocked on the HR door, they asked for work....and it sure does sound like they have found it.:rolleyes:

I know JFK isn't a ULR flight, but I flew with a guy recently whose father died while he (the son) was in JFK. The captain agreed to release him so he could get home without delay and then operated back to DXB with three pilots.

For instance? I really like to hear.

Not to divert the thread but....if my Father died I certainly wouldn't be waiting for anyone to be nice enough to 'release' me.....I'd be gone.

To be more correct, 'Trader', the father was very sick when the captain told the FO he should go. He died before the son reached home.

7X7

Given that JFK is scheduled for 14:20 I think you will find that it is a ULR flight as defined in the ULR FCI

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=D...avy&MAP-STYLE=

Here's a link to the Great Circle mapper.

Interesting - don`t know if we`ll fly this route but initial track from Dubai is 354 degrees and goes close to North pole.

Now that we have the socks, when are we going to be issued with lead lined underwear ?????

Don't know about lead lined undies but bring sunscreen you will need it.:)

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we are pilots not experts in fatigue management, you are given a hotel room to sleep in there is no excuse for not sleeping .

Rabbitwear, you don't need to be an expert in fatigue management to know your rights, decide for yourself, and be responsible to yourself, your family, crew AND passengers to only operate SAFELY.
No excuse for not sleeping?? You sure you are a pilot? Do you know what's being discussed here? :eek:

Having said that, and acting responsibly as to knowing your work/fatigue patterns,
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Park a aircraft in Houston a few times a week and the layover will soon change.

Violate, why do i have a feeling you don't/never have worked for EK before? If you remember elementary school, and the good old days where teachers had a ruler and were actually ALLOWED to use on kids without being sued, well multiply that by 100 (if that makes sense), and imagine what pilots would be losing if they do something of the sort while working for EK :=........... not to mention that I've heard them give that advice (call sick) to Cabin Crew, but do they do it themselves??

Cheers!

OOOOHHHH lets all go to SIA sounds perfect.;)
On another note. It is incumbent on all the pilots that do ULR especially HOUSTON and soon to be LAX that if you are fatigued YOU MUST MUST MUST file those Fatigue related AIR SAFETY REPORTS. It is your professional duty to do so!!:ok:This is the only way something will eventually be done about it,:ugh: THAT and a smoking hole in the ground with an EK tail.

I'm afraid you're wrong. EK Milkshake is on the GCAA board. Gives new meaning to conflict of interest.

He got sacked.

There was a noticeably higher number of fatigue related ASR's on the IAH trip in the last report though I agree, we need every crew to submit one. Another interesting note; they were classified as MEDIUM risk which I believe is higher than previous fatigue ASR's.

This airline is run on statistics. Never mind that some running it don't know the first thing about statistics, they do like nice pretty graphs. They will NEVER respond until there is a noticeable trend in some of their precious statistics.

Unions
 

SIA employees are lucky to have Unions..... EK (and any company in Dubai/UAE) are not even in the planning phases of those.....

They will continue to bend the rules and use the already bent, as long as we have collegues in our ranks who fly the stuff without respect for safety and even not filing ASR's ...........

DXB-JFK diversion to Baltimore. Almost 28h of duty! 27h rest, then hop on the bus to JFK and board the regular flight home, after beeing TOLD that they are legal to operate 22h!!!

We are our worst enemies. Such a flight should have never been accepted by the skippers. :ugh:

Jeeeez did that happen!..impresssive. To clear a point re 4 man vs 3 man, the ULR OP covers any flight that has the "potential" at any time of the year to exceed 14 hrs flt time. Therefor JFK, MEL, SYD.etc on every flight regardless if the flight time is <14hs on your day. But it can also be planned under the normal FTLs as well, see para 1.2 which will allow 3 man operation...but not over a planned flight time of 15hrs (para 1.8). So on the day it might be 4 man under the operational plan or 3 under FTL to a max of 15 planned flight... Cleer as mud, just how they like it.

FSM

No matter what pressure the company put on the Baltimore flight , the captains need their licences pulled from them. They exceeded a max limit intentionally and should be punished. No sympathy.

What, are u doing NATS now?

Could you just run that by me again... 28 hours of duty?
Perhaps you mean 18?