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I am, however, disappointed by your negativity trying to scare people like me to come and join etihad. The only way we are going to fly together is if you join the other boys up the road. Im not saying its perfect, but having a Pension Scheme, Loss of Licence protection, transport to / from work, Currency exchange rate protection, descent housing, descent medical and yearly bonuses made my mind up on which one to choose. I thought we were being screwed, but after talking to my mates down the road in EY, there is no comparison to which one is better deal! Maybe you should think just that little bit harder. Good luck to you whatever you choose! |
Csek, I guess we can never tell which way is good for one, and which way is bad for the others. Either way, I respect whatever decision you may have made, just as I hope you will respect mine. This is the path I have chosen, and I am happy with it. I take it that you're with EK, so my apologies for thinking that you're with EY.
And once again, I am not from management, and nobody coerced me in any way to choose EY. I guess there is nothing wrong for anybody to hope for a better career for himself and a good future for his family. Chill out, bro, and goodluck to you. |
Too late for me... I just completed my interviews and got the job in Etihad! Guess I'm just going to have to take the payrise.. even before I start!
Seriously though, for those of us looking to move from wherever we are to improve our lot, this sure changes what is available. I have read that Abu Dhabi plans to invest a lot of money (Billions) into developing it's infrastruture, so that does give some security to the job in Etihad. Anyway, one very happy chappy on his way to start with you soon. :O |
Tips for Abu-Dhabi
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For those Bus and Boeing drivers wishes to join EY and planning to live in AUH below is few tips; Always look after Number one because Number 2 and 3 will be automatically taken care of. Stick to your Guns when you negotiate your package ( they need you more than you need them), those German and Aussies are tough fellows they want to have the cake and eat it too, you do the hard work and they take the credit. at the end of the day NO one will force you to make any decision you do not want to make.
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New pay package is good for the FOs, since they are trying to attract more....Captains on A330 will probably end up with a small increase as mentioned above but, 777 and especially 767 drivers (Captains) will probably end up loosing. 777 now have no European destinations and as such low meal allowances while the 767 guys have only turn arounds. BIG CUT!!
Housing is great if you can fit in a 3 Br flat but, if you have 3 or more kids you still have to pay out of your pocket as Etihad does not seem to care about people who have LARGER families. It is a good place to be but it varies from person to person based on family size, seat and fleet as to how good/bad your package is. Medical is also poor. Too many exclusions and pre approvals required. Loss of licence is back on the drawing board after being almost a done deal with the previous management. WHAT NEXT? THE SAGA CONTINUES. |
Fellas now you had to bite the dust. It's a never ending story. Me is last corner I'd ever go again. Those Bedouins have all the money in the world bu t don't they don't you to live a live. You're a slave, a simple driver with the difference that their drivers sleep under the stairs and you in the 3 bed room apartment. Anyone still seeking the job in ME is nuts. Let them hire all the cheap fellas from the third world. Stay out of that mess.
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..Except that over the last 12 months a Captain never averages 75 hours more like 50... MR8 |
The New Math
I have just done the math comparing last years salary to the new pay scale.
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management. Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year. You cant count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not my mortgage or pension plan. Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies". |
European Bedouins
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Flying Daggers; "Those Bedouins have all the money in the world but t don't they don't you to live a live. You're a slave" I have to disagree with you on that one Flying Daggers, The Airline purely managed by the European Bedouins i.e The German, The British, The Australian, Believe me they the one setting up the rules and regulation and how much you should get paid or not, and not to mention the Asian-Indian. I do not know if you really Know the Board structure for EY Airline and the Maintenance side of it. I assure you 99% of them are European. However I do agree with you on the way they treat their drivers, servant etc. The ME especially in that part of the world is not a place to live in but to make money and get out ( if you manage to make money that is).This is why In my previous post I mentioned the place is not cheap to live in!!!! It is however great place to live in for the Asian or the Philippine people, especially when you look at the standard and the cost of living they come from. Also most European do not take the Cra..:mad: ..P like they do, Why???? because they do not have the same choice as us who lives in Europe or else where, where there is Union to fight for your right or a law to protect you and your family. When you in that part of the region forget your right or union. do not mention it otherwise they think you are joking:ok: |
As long as all the Gulf airlines continue to have applications that satisfy their recruitment standards, they will not change a bit of their contracts. The may make adjustments to make more linear, but that will be it.
Recruitment standards may not correspond to QUALITY standards, but this problem (and the problem definitely exist) is up to the respective Civil Aviation (Civ Airs) authorities to ensure safe standards are always applied and checked. If the latter is inefficient, these airlines will be heading for big trouble sooner rather than later. Nothing new here. Every airline must and ought to have a safe flying platform. Unfortunately, senior management is more concerned about FY results rather than ensuring safety standards are rigorously enforced. Apologies for going off track and with no disrespect to those capable guys without a previous chance to fly in the Gulf majors and willing to do so, the point here is: Airlines will either offer more to attract experienced (and company tested/screened) staff or they will have to slow down their expansion plans to get their "house in order" before a major incident/accident happens. Pretending everything is OK will be counter-productive, very irresponsible and will lead to a major disaster, financial too. Respective Civ Airs are equally irresponsible and must not/ought not to be indifferent to these ever evolving events. Unfortunately, the aviation world (among other worlds) is full of irresponsible managements, and mankind generally needs and effective "policing" tool to ensure very basic and uncompromising standards are never overruled by irresponsible people. Again, apologies for going off track from the second paragraph onwards but I found the topic somehow related and relevant. |
You are right on track
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fractional; You are right on the track, The problem now these days no body seems to care about standard any more or safety for that matter. The sad things about the Airline or the aviation industry they always come back and trying to rectify the problem when the Sh....:mad: ...t hit the fan. I do not know what they expect " if you pay peanuts you get Monkies":ugh: |
The New Math
I have just done the math comparing last years salary to the new pay scale.
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management. Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year. They count per diem as a pay raise.You can not count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not to my mortgage or pension plan. If they think you are pocketing meal allowances they will cut them.Therefore not a raise. Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies". |
dont forget one thing
Your calculations are just about what I see. Also if you have already have some of your holiday, then you have been penalized, as the major improvment was that you did not lose so much when you went on leave.
This was very clever of management. Wait until April and then implement it. I imagine most people already had some leave. Also the 767 guys had all of Feb off and forced to take some leave time while the a/c was on ground. Good news is next year when there 1.8 percent pay rise comes they can make it back. One other point is that EY has no protection for currency shifts, like EK does. The Durhams is based directly on the US dollar. So not only is inflation here hurting you greatly, but the dollar is very weak. The overall philosophy seems to be give them the least possible and hope people don't leave and alway say more is in your future. EY housing is one of the lowest in Abu Dhabi, making it very difficult to afford anything than company appartment, some are okay Overall with only 700dhms payrise a year in contract, there is very little future at Etihad. With the dollar sinking and inflation so much it is only a matter of time till it will cost you money to work here, which is a management dream. |
Flying Daggers
You're a slave, a simple driver with the difference that their drivers sleep under the stairs and you in the 3 bed room apartment. However I do agree with you on the way they treat their drivers, servant etc A good friend once told told me that, in the UAE you are just a well paid labourer (if that!!!). We have exactly the same rights and those poor guys on the building sites. the only difference is the place where we work. |
Gents,
you are absolutely right...the new package is bs start looking around cheers:sad: |
Yes it is crap and very few will be better off.....on the 777 we will certainly be worse off:{
All the hype leading upto this package was BS, they obviously think we are stupid Time to start looking around :ok: |
Compared to GF that's a pretty good package for an F/O..almost 1000 BHD more a month that our base....could always be worse. Seems that Captains didn't get as good as a deal, but from what i can see it's competitive at least.
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wow !!
Amazing !! Simply Amazing !! This place is too good to be true, quite the mirror image of EK, So now we see people threatening to leave. I wonder what the ratio of peple bitching will be as to how many people will actually leave will, only time will tell.......................:eek:
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This is hilarious. Anyone who thinks that the average Etihad pilot is driving around in a Porsche Cayenne is living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Well, I've seen :
Porsche Cayenne Porsche 911 BMW 5 series Mercedes 'E' VW Tuaoreg Volvo XC90 Nissan Murano BMW B3 Alpina BMW M3 Mercedes 'S' Audi A6 and many many more ltypes of uxury cars driven by Etihad pilots. |
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