Desparation sets in - now EK comes to you!
 

Not so long ago it was the individual's responsibility to pay the airfare to come over to Dubai for the interview procedure. Interesting to see that now EK are travelling to the Heathrow Marriott April 17/18th to conduct "information briefings" for prospective flight deck joiners.... to be followed by simulator evaluations in London the week after.
Oh, how times are a-changing......

Absolutely! however, if you get through that bit you will still have to pay to get to DXB for the final round of the interview, tests etc yada yada. :hmm:

EGGW

Give it time, give it time...

Well, had the email ...sim assessment @lhr hotac paid...if all goes well EK tickets to DXB upgrade to business space avail.....so it didn't take them long..
The only thing missing is a LHR base...clocks ticking.:ok:

As just confirmed once agin - by HR:
There are NO plans for ANY other bases than DXB for EK in the nearest future - probably because that might initiate an exodus from pilots from scruffy DXB in a matter of weeks!
So, just forget 'bout it - it WON'T happen !!:{

What a laugh, they are now asking bus skippers to go to the boeing as clearly they cant get the DECs in to man them, the spokes are coming off the wheels!

CW,

They tried to get this happening (Airbus Capts. to the 777) about 4 months ago, but it was rejected at the eleventh hour by AAR. His argument - We won't need to do it because we will have a fantastic new promotion system (the abortionate FCI on the subject refers) and plenty of DEC applicants. Well, I haven't seen too many DEC's and precious few (if any) promotions under the terms of this FCI.

Who is kidding who here ??

What a disaster:

- The A380 planning people are tearing their hair out wondering how the hell these aircraft are going to get airborne with NO crew pipeline in place.

- The 777 is rapidly running behind in LHS people. Watch the aircraft parked later this year.

- The current Airbus guys are fatigued and totally overworked.:mad: What the hell is going on, when allegedly, the A380 crews will come from this fleet for the first year or so.

- If anyone thinks the resignation rate last year was high, look at the numbers so far this year.

Simply unsustainable.:{

Good, they have had it coming for a long time now!!! :ok:

Makes you wonder where they will put the bonus threshold for next year... below this year's?

Also, people seem to leave even without waiting for the bonus and possible package improvement. I'm wondering what the effect of a low payout and/or meager payrise will have on folks still hesitating to leave.

Summers are getting hotter every year...

MR8

Middle East bubble about to burst????
 

Reading these things about EK, a company that has always been considered as the summum of aviation in the sandpit, I can not stop help to think " when is this all going to end?"

EK clearly is desperate on finding their pilots, EY just stopped recruiting because it is hopeless anyhow, GF is struggling harder then ever before and now is thinking about DEC ( a bit too late because none are available) and QR is scraping the bottom of the pit engaging about anyone who has ever sat in an airplane....

When we look outside the sandpit we see that most of the "big guns" are screaming as well....CX is constantly doing interviews, The red lady is looking for 160 drivers this year, BA is hiring etc etc etc...

As long as we keep on heaving these megalonamiacs managing airlines in the middle east, without any respect whatsoever for their tech crews, I am convinced that the exodus will start here first! And then what?

I know for a fact that both Airbus and Boeing are very prudent when it comes to orders from the ME because they know that these airlines simply will not be able to find the sheer numbers of drivers for these machines!

Well done boys! Good planning once more!

I guess the saying still stands:

" What goes around, comes around "

Sit back, relax and enjoy the laugh!

EGGW not so now. Mate of mine in MEL did an interview last week end and was told he would be flown to DXB for sim if required.

If EK are providing tickets for the interviews in Dubai, can someone tell me how I can claim a refund on the ticket that I had to buy to get here? :mad:

Zhu_tou

Unless the passport was from a country who's name we dare not mention, then i can assure you that you don't know anyone who didn't get a job because they didn't have the correct passport.

You may know a lot of people who didn't get a job because they couldn't pass the selection process though.

well,if people can fail selection through aplication form only,than you are right

More upgrades from within and modify the requirements at the entry level. I'm sure you'd have a long line of younger F/O's with less jet time wanting to fly the 380, and be happy to sit there for 5 years. The requirements must be changed to cope with the expansion. Not to mention the pay package to keep them here.

zhu thu
Having the correct passport has never been an issue in emirates, they have in the past had quality applicants from areas of the world where aviation has a good safety record now they are having to employ people from airlines with the dubious records.
You get what you pay for in life lets just hope there is not a smoking hole before they realise that.

Sataire hits the issue here Perfectlyon the head, sort out the abysmal upgrade policy. In otherwords transition upgrades, and no farting around 6 months RHS after a transition course, then a command course. Utter bo**ocks, and only airline i have ever heard of doing this. Also lower the requirements for entry level F/Os.

Its hardly rocket science and it will make a lot of F/O's a lot happier.

EGGW

Hey Zoo Tou, what's worse, your tragic mates being knocked back at the interview because they come from a place where people are battling to parallel-park a car with out major panel damage OR actually hiring the cripples, and letting them loose in an expensive machine with OUR loved ones on board to fly them all into a mountain-side...??

I don't think they're quite desperate enough, yet, to go hire your ham-fisted brethren..... :p

There's enough on the roads here, let alone the runways.

It's not about the passport, it's about the lack of flying skill and thought-processes of the dunderklumpens.

C'mon down! Get your free vacation!!
 

From what I recall, EK used to provide transport to Dubai for the interviews etc. a while back (T+C's were much better than today for sure) but many just came for an "EK" paid vacation and did not accept the offer if it came. (This according to sources within recruitment years ago). Perhaps we will see a repeat of history. Obviously the laws of supply and demand are alive and well and the tables have turned. Dubai really is a wonderful place ...for a "short time". I'll leave it to you to determine what length of time cronologically a "short time" translates to!

Just don't forget about those "free" Time Share sales pitches. Enjoy the free tour of "Disneyland" and it's suroundings but don't be tempted to bite into the package. It could cost you for years!;)

TO THE WANNABEES, YOUR TIME TO COMMAND = 7 YEARS WITH 1500 PILOTS AHEAD OF YOU AND YOUR HOUSE WILL BE 30Km FROM ANYWHERE, EVEN GOOD SCHOOLS, YOU WILL BE LUCKY TO GET ANY SEA BREEZE THAT FAR INTO THE DESERT.

EK, EVERYONE HAS THEIR PRICE, NOT ONLY THE JOINERS BUT CONVINCING THOSE WHO ARE HERE TO STAY. YOUR DAY IS COMING, YOUR FUTURE IS IN YOUR ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ..............................................WALLET. HAVE A LOOK, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE MONEY BAG, LIKE YOU, WE ARE IN IT FOR A REASON, IT IS NOT JUST TO MAKE YOU RICHER!

CW

I'm all for providing info for anyone looking, but please explain how there can be 1500 ahead of you when there aren't 1500 pilots in the company yet, let alone 1500 ahead in the line to command.

Keep to the facts dude

Vorsicht,
Take a look at the mailboxes in CBC. the number is in the 1470's I think and it usually runs 2 weeks behind. It will be over 1500 by the end of the month.

Critical winge,

I have not heard about asking the AB capt.s to go to the Boeing. Is it in the form of an email to all of the AB Capts.? Or was it broadcast somewhere and I missed it? Thanks.

330 Man

well, transferring skippers to the 777 is at least a step in the right direction. additionally ek would find sufficient suitable fo applicants if they would lower the requirement to 2500h. they could be trained rapidly enough onto the airbus fleet as no new aircraft arrive, the 380 already beeing delayed and will be some more, leaving training capacity (provided they will make conditions for tri's tre's more attractive). transfering skippers to the 777 is a much faster way of getting these ships crewed than with dec's. the departing on the bus can be replaced with ek internal proven quality upgrades, this will be a vital asset to convince future fo's to join. if the entry level is at 2500h, these guys will not mind a upgrade time of around 5 to 6 years, they'd need it anyway to get the hours! take them in now and they'll be ready for the big pig in due time, again no need to try to attract defo's for it then. everything stays in house, keeps people happier, so they might stay, and attracts more young and the whole system is even cheaper.
we all know where the stumbling block lies, even the upper levels. i just wonder what the **** holds them back to fire him.
ttn

330 man,
email on portal yesterday from ED. Expressions of interest to Fleet Admin Office

:yuk:
no comment

BADdaddy and YOU ZOO, enough children, ever heard of the phrase "there by the grace of God go I". Means no matter who you are or how good you think you are, trouble can come to us all. Stop it children please!

Is that the same HR department which refused to comment on speculation that there was a new compound at Silicon Oasis for EK personnel... and which just advertised for same on 29 March...

You know how to tell someone in HR is lying to you? Their lips are moving!

pffff loool :ok:

The unfortunate thing is that this whole dire need for basically anyone who's qualified, let alone for the left seat is pretty bad in quite a few aspects, though.

- It will be almost impossible to catch up in the race that EK is messing up at the moment. Hard to win from the very back of the field. In Feb 2006 they lacked 88 captains on the Boeing alone. Anyone doing the maths will know that that is simply a burden that is impossible to catch up with their expansion going.

That in return will mean that we will have to suffer more flying (I guess not possible on the Airbus), less days off, even less leave granted during peak seasons and eventually outside of those times, too.

It's not just the (lack of) pilots that are a problem. Does anyone have the slightest idea where they get their engineers from? I'm talking about the qualified ones. Or the cabin crew? Has anyone not had an incidence lately when some of them didn't either understand English or didn't speak it in an intelligible manner? Let alone lacking the ability to take care of safety/security.

At the moment I see an airline that's heading in a direction that might spell disaster. Only a chance of that but it's becoming increasingly bigger. Value Jet of the middle east?

- An airline will be pretty much on the verge of literal breakdown if it can not fly the planes it has. Imagine the costs involved.

Fine if that situation for EK will increase our pay, improve the conditions for the employees, etc. - if it does, which I doubt. I think that there will be hardly any effect on the positive side for us. In the end there might be even the airlines fate at stake. No airline can afford to park their newly acquired planes somewhere in the desert (at least they wouldn't have to fly them to Arizona, right? It's right in front of their door... :ok: ) for a long time. I also see some future profit share going to financing banks and fellow bandits instead of into my pocket.

Yes, I do hope they will learn their lesson and they hopefully learn it quickly. But I don't believe it until I see it.

I am one of the happy ones here with some 830 hours during the last 12 months. And I would hate to see all that disappear into nothingness because of some idiots who cannot add up simple natural numbers, or do a few divisions and multiplications with them.

Oh my gosh, all this pontificating about whether EK will 'survive', or not.

Of course they will, and buy more airplanes, hire more pilots (DEC's if needed, and I suppose they do) and generally get bigger.
Will this please those still left, who are soooo sure that THEY positively KNOW how to run the airline.

Hardly.

Malcontents are never truly satisfied, they just generally bark at the moon, and protest on PPRuNe.
Some will stay, some will depart, but the airline will definitely survive, no matter how much a few like (or don't like) about it.

Can't stand the heat....move on to green pastures.
If you can find 'em.
The pilots at CX just a few short years ago, decided that they would 'make a difference'.
The only difference was, there were a less of 'em, for awhile.
Silly boys.

So, the rose garden is not what it seemed to those that applied/were hired by EK.
Few airlines are.
Get used to it.

It is so good to see the nursing home finally got a computer for you 411a. I've missed your shallow, repetitive inane comments.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before you got bored with the bridge club and decided to go fishing in the Middle East again.

Welcome back.

I cannot get to LHR today or tommorrow for the EK briefings at the Marriott but would be grateful for feedback from anyone who does visit them please. I would only go to EK for a LHR base and would be interested to know if they are considering that yet!

Fly747 - sorry to be blunt but EK do not have any plans for basing anywhere apart from DXB either now or in near future from what I know. Let's say hypothetically that EK decide to have a base at LHR, if you do join EK you will be way down the seniority list of guys wanting to be based there, and trust me there are a lot of guys who would like it. So if a LHR base is all that you are interested in - and not EK as a whole, then don't even bother going any further down the track.

What seniority list is that mc? If they are taking direct entry commands in DXB now there can't be much of a seniority list unless all the FOs are unpromotable which is obviously not the case! They need 300 pilots at least over the next year, if they want people they will have to consider basings. It will be much easier to base new people than let existing pilots leave.

Fly747,

If they gave new DECs basings, then they will be looking for a heap load more DECs to replace those that WILL leave.

There is a seniority list, it is respected and there are a lot of CAPTAINS who will be above you that will get first crack at the whip. You want a basing? Try CX Cargo.

Fly747,

Quite a few EK pilots are commuting already. The moment EK will offer bases outside of Dubai (and that will not be in the near future), these people will claim those places, and they have the right to!

And yes, we DO have a seniority system in EK. Ask the DEC's who are moaning now that they have been here for over 2 years but are being bypassed by 'junior' Captains to go on the A340. Sorry guys (not really actually), you got a cheap command at EK, so as long as people who were bypassed by you in the first place are suitable for a position you're looking for, you'll be stuck where you are now.

747, hope you were looking for a F/O position. Couldn't bear the tought that a DEC not only wants to take some F/O's Command but also insists on a LHR base from the start... I just can't handle such an amount of egoism.

MR8

How many guys have the experience for command but are being bypassed? Is it purely a training capacity issue that they are not promoting from within?

Sorry MR8 but it was a DEC LHR 380 I was looking for!

tosser.....