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falcon20 11th May 2002 23:55

Falcon Express - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
 
Does anyone know if they have any recent plans for hiring. And what kind of requirements are they looking for .

JoeCo 12th May 2002 11:37

Maybe a web address aswell if anyone out there knows it.

betavalve 18th May 2002 17:15

Hey guys

I heard that there will be some hiring soon but just making contact is pretty tough. I've been trying to get in for a while but with no luck yet. I've got a couple of mates who used to fly there who say I'm wasting my time. They reakon the mighty Falcon Express is going downhill very fast and that management doesent have a clue. Sounds like a normal company to me. I heard they are looking at a couple more crews by next couple of months. We'll see. I'll try to find out more.

Requirements are 500 total and 300 multy but with a B190 type, or ATR 42 type. Not sure about the ATR though. No website.
Someone said a lot of instructing time would help - who knows. Good luck

falcon20 19th May 2002 01:09

thanks for the info betavalve. Let us know if you hear anything else please especially about them going under!

Tonto Kowalski 19th May 2002 13:32

Betavalve - your couple of mates are right on the money! Anyone looking to apply would be better off saving the money spent on faxing a CV or making a phone call. Sad but true. Latest word is that the beginning...of the end...has now commenced.
Having said this, either 4000+ hours instructing in singles (preferably Piper) or following the teachings of the prophet seems to have been of great help to recent hires.

Misty Air 19th May 2002 21:35

It's a shame that FECA is going down the tubes,Middle Eastern teachings are are not air-user friendly :D

betavalve 20th May 2002 13:19

Yeah not too sure about there financial position but the pilot moral is apparently going completely down the tubes. I heard now that it is true to be hired you need to be Dubai resident and that it seems to be causing friction amongst the expat pilots. I'd prefer to have the chance to see that for myself. I heard the Chief Pilot there has a hidden agenda.
Also was just told that ATR type wont help, but they have plans for a couple more. Still sounds like worth the effort to me. Good tax free salary in a nice place.

Ravensdale 20th May 2002 13:26

Going under?? Last I heard jets were on the way - maybe some of the Falcon boys will get a shot at Emirates after all. Its only the beginning...

JoeCo 21st May 2002 05:46

With ATR's on the way, wouldn't that free up some spots lower down on the totem pole?? ie. the 1900???

Why is moral so bad at a company that is expanding? Maybe I'm thinking with my arse again, but doesn't more planes equal more opportunities, hence more moral??

But then again, what do I know.

spinalcompression 21st May 2002 07:08

sounds like someone is thinking JoeCo, however have heard that the expat wage and working conditions throughout the middle east isn't as good as it used to be with the cost of living there increasing, my guess with no unions aloud in the middle east moral can easily drop if management aren't communicating with the flock. A problem which is growing in all areas of industry in the middle east especially aviation.

falcon20 21st May 2002 22:04

Maybe I am missing something guys but why is instructing time on singles desirable by Falcon Express ?

JoeCo 24th May 2002 08:26

That's a damb good question falcon20, I couldn't figure that out either. Especially the part about that time being specific to a Piper?? I know that the flight school at DXB runs Pipers, maybe it's something to do with that?? Me, I don't know.

betavalve 26th May 2002 07:05

Did a bit more research and it seems that Falcon Express has had a tendancy in the past year or so only to hire guys locally available and trained through the Emirates Flying school. There have been a few exceptions but not many. There are three pilots in Falcon who are previous Chief Flying Instructors there. Obviously then the standards must be very high. Perhaps these guys are better suited to the flying environment of the region.
Either way it seems unfair that other qualified (like myself) cant get a look in.

I guess the old boys network is in action everywhere.

Ravensdale 26th May 2002 07:08

Yep - Obviously!!:confused:

betavalve 27th May 2002 08:23

What is the problem at Falcon??? A lot of negativity coming from a company that seems to be a time builders dream - lots of night turboprop hours, expanding company, nice place not to mention the unbelievable salary. But all I hear is stuff about bad moral and unhappy pilots. You guys need to get in the real world. Something must be really pi**ing you guys off big time.

What gives????

haselled 28th May 2002 09:25

Just exactly how unbelievable is the salary to which you refer??? I'm intrigued!!

Ravensdale 29th May 2002 06:46

Not that unbelievable. Looks good compared to some places though but the cost of living is a good leveler.

As for poor moral - I think spinalcomppression had it right - management not communicating with the flock.

paddle 31st May 2002 08:05

Not sure what the deal is with the Emirates flying school guys? They certainly have nothing to do with Emirates Airlines. From what I have read here in the past, these guys do have thousands of hours of piper time and still can't fly! Is that true? Why would you hire inexperienced and incompetent pilots when there are so many experienced guys out there. :rolleyes:

betavalve 1st Jun 2002 06:49

I guess it must be cheaper to hire the local guys although I heard they arent even Emirates nationals. As for flying skills dodging one cloud a year cant be too tough - try them out in Darwin for a season!!

weewillywonker 1st Jun 2002 12:42

There's more to flying than dodging clouds pal.

betavalve 1st Jun 2002 14:47

youre right - I bet staying awake at Falcon is pretty tough too!!

Tonto Kowalski 2nd Jun 2002 09:44

Paddle: You are right on the money. What you say is completely true. The reason these guys are hired is because the chief pilot is in fact one of those you refer to also. I guess if you're that 'inexperienced and incompetent' it would be nice to have some company eh! Unfortunately the guy has single handedly destroyed the morale at the company as well. It has been a great job for a lot of guys but times have changed. Still...maybe a change for the better could be afoot? How slow can the 1900 fly asymmetric again???

weewillywonker 3rd Jun 2002 09:13

somewhere between red line and blue line or does it depend on whos sitting in the jump seat? more to the point or whos in the front two seats.

paddle 3rd Jun 2002 10:53

Heard that they might be needing some more people due to new rest requirement regs which are coming in to effect but, was also told that if/when they get the 2nd ATR, that they might even have to get rid of some guys ... one or two!! :eek: .........maybe some of those useless ones! :p

ps did they get the first ATR going yet :rolleyes:

Tonto Kowalski 4th Jun 2002 05:52

Paddle: Nah don't believe they need any extra's to cover those new regs. At the most I understand 'Captain's Discretion' is going to be required to complete a flight...captain's are all a chipper bunch though so should be no worries. Can confirm the first ATR is online, still with wet leased Captains. Heard that the skippers prefer it if the FO's they're working with leave everything alone in the cockpit?! Can't believe that....shocking CRM. Then again they could have their reasons?
Had a good CRM in Satwa a couple of weeks ago.
WeeWilly: You sound remarkably well informed?! There sure is more to flying than dodging clouds, for example landing in a crosswind!

Ravensdale 4th Jun 2002 13:53

What second ATR???

Latest story is that the first one may be returned due to Lessor and Finacier insurance problems..... Something about Middle East being a warzone... a little further East perhaps??

weewillywonker 4th Jun 2002 16:39

you bet tonto i like to keep my finger on "the pulse"

Misty Air 6th Jun 2002 00:06

I see the fallout from the Kashmir has reach the UAE already.:cool:

Tonto Kowalski 6th Jun 2002 10:41

Ravensdale: Nah you don't have to go any further East than DXB to find a warzone! Got a good mate there...Lower Shk.Z Rd fella...u should see his place the morning after an average night off!!!

Ravensdale 7th Jun 2002 10:05

Yip - he was in good form last night too!!! :D :D
There are still some good times here:D :D

MTQatar 10th Jun 2002 08:13

Does anyone have contact information for Falcon Express Cargo, or does anyone know anyone in the Corporate Relations department? Any help will be appreciated.

baconeater 11th Jun 2002 15:56

"Corporate Relations Department" ????

baconeater 11th Jun 2002 17:49

I've been trying to contact them for a while, the best bet is directly by phone, head office is in Dubai

733SS 15th Jun 2002 15:11

What exactly does a "corporate relations department" do for a company in question?

Negotiate salary, improve moral? Initiate new training plans and ideologies for the crew to keep them updated and up to speed?

Nah!

paddle 16th Jun 2002 08:40

The what department :confused: ? I doubt anyone at Falcon Express would know what you meant!

Looking for a job are you?

MTQatar 16th Jun 2002 17:48

I actually made a mistake, I meant Corporate Communications. This department usually handles the press etc...

FO Cokebottle 16th Jun 2002 18:00

I have a business card from ther DFO, does that count?

Misty Air 17th Jun 2002 22:12

Were you given the card at night??:D
If so, you will probably be given the DCM treatment:cool:
Don't miss the 1900C's :eek:

JoeCo 19th Jun 2002 15:25

Getting employed at Falcon
 
Aside from all the negative posts about the company, if someone where interested in persueing employment at Falcon, what is the typical process? If an interview is involved, who pays the plane ticket? What about conversions? What's the Pay scale? Any specifics might help one determine whether or not it's worth a shot.

Thanks

baconeater 20th Jun 2002 09:55

Well it was fortunate before posting this reply Joe Co that I decided to read 'Living costs in Dubai' as I was about to give you the full run down on FECA. I have a few friends flying for them now and though moral has been down it is starting on the up and I don't think your attitude would go down at all well within the company, infact it is the last thing the company or any company needs, I don't think you would even last the walk out to C8.

The only advice I can give you Joe Co is stay off those drugs and get your mind straight 'higher is not always better' :mad:


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