thats very old info ???

no newer?

hey SAD,

why dont you just goto...www.airarabia.com, goto the careers page and you'll see available pilot positions with the salary packages, its pretty detailed.


mV8

TRE salary
 

What are the conditions for TRE`s at AA? Has anybody any infos??

Tech Questions
 

Hey Kala320

Can you send me the AA questions for the interview, that would be great.
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks !!

[email protected]

help inside air arabia
 

hi, does any one know influnential people in airarabia i need help i mean in the arabic(wasta) please send private message. thank u

Air Arabia
 

I've had a look at the threads with this airline as the theme. I was wondering if anyone had up-to-date views on them as an employer?

I have seen their recent T's and C's on the website, but how about rosters, lifestyle, is there help with accommodation? Sounds attractive to me but I'd appreciate an insider's view.

To give you my background I am a F/O with a UK charter airline with 1000 hrs on the A320.

Cracking place to work for a young first officer. Good people, new kit, home every night and Dubai is the greatest playground on the planet. PM for more info you like.

Home every night?
 

Hansol, I know you like Air Arabia as much as I do. But please don't give misleading information about that "home every night" stuff. We know that most AA flights are nighttime, and the truth of the matter is, you don't just have the energy anymore after each flight to go partying in Dubai.

If your intention is to encourage more pilots to join AA then tell them the real picture. At least when they do get in they know what to expect.

Okay, just for the benefit of those asking for any info about AA, these are the facts:

1. Salary? For a loco, pay in AA is very good, but that is if you fly your butts to the max. You fly more than 75 hrs and you're sure to get good money.

2. Flights? Expect to gaze at the infinite vastness of the dark skies as most flights are done at night. No layovers except Colombo. The turn-arounds are real killers, especially if they are done succesively.

3. People? I would say that people are nice - from management down to the simple errand boy. Everybody respects everybody. The CP, Fleet Mgr, Trng Mgr, DO, HR - they're all professional and easy to deal with. Just expect a little delay when following up some things from HR, I think they are a bit undermanned there with ****loads of work to do. But with patience things get done though.

4. Facilites? Forget it. Until now we are still housed at the old Sharjah cargo terminal. Sometimes when you report for work, you pass thru a mountain of goat meat being weighed and loaded to cargo containers right outside the office. We have been told many times that Flight Ops will be transferred soon to the new terminal, but that hasn't happened til now. They say it will be this coming July. Promises...promises...

Sharjah airport being renovated. Almost complete but the immigration area still stinks. When you pass thru you have to hold your breath for 3 mins to avoid toxic inhalation of bad foot smell and body odor.

6. Social life in the company? Fun? Zero. Nil. There are no social gatherings, no company parties to look forward to. It is a purely professional working relationship with everybody. The hi's and hello's and how are you's are endless. From the time you check in until you check out expect to make about a hundred handshakes. But expect nothing more than that. After each flight everybody just want to go home as fast as they can and crouch in fetal positions in their bed before going to sleep and say "I am happy, I am happy, I am happy...ZZZZZZZ". :zzz:

7. Career advancement? Very slow command upgrades due to hiring of DECs and lack of instructors to handle the training. Captains are happy with their present pay, but are still looking at a chance to transfer to widebody. FOs not too happy with the recent pay hike, educ allowance was increased for Captains but not for FOs. Makes no sense. Seems to me they want to please the Captains more than FOs. Poor lads.

8. Fleet? There are currently 9, mostly brand new, nice and shiny A320s, with more coming this year. No major technical defects. Most delays are caused by passenger boarding and other crap but nothing to do with aircraft, so far.

9. Rostering? No comment. They give you monthly rosters, but you can throw it after a week and expect daily changes and calls for new flight schedules.

These are my unbiased opinion about Air Arabia. I presented in the best and straightforward way I can the downsides and upsides about working, and life in general in AA, so it's all up to you to decide. If you ask me whether I'm happy here or not, well, I will just keep the answer to myself.

Goodluck to you all!

Excellent Post!
 

I must say that was beautiful! (Really. I'm not trying to be scarcastic!)

Most answers to questions on this fourm, as most readers will know, really need to be taken with a grain of salt. I have just applied to AA reciently and this is exactly what I have been looking for (for pages and pages and pages).

Way to Go CamelToe, hopefully others reading your post will tone down the personal rant and give more of what we want...THE FACTS.

Flyer

Dear Cameltoe2006,
 

Thank you!

There has been so many pages "wasted" with silly answers.
Although, I have sent you PM with few more questions, your post is what I have been looking for. vbmenu_register("postmenu_3204773", true); ...all of us, I believe.

all the best,
Voyteck

Whoa! That was sure a helluva lot of PMs i got there after my last post. Thanks for all the wonderful comments. I guess I should be running an agency here to recruit pilots for AA. :)

My post about AA was just as impartial and as objective as I can make. I don't want to sound like I'm somebody from management trying to lure pilots to come to AA. If I must tell you, I am just one of those lucky few who managed to get in and make a good life out of this luck, and therefore I just feel the need to help others, though strangers to me, who also have the same aspirations as mine. Like I said the decision is all yours. It's your life, it's your game. So goodluck to y'all! :ok:

Help Help !!!
 

I got a few questions.....

I don't have an A320 type rating, but I have got +500 hours on jet, is there a chance in hell I would get an Interview with AirArabia. I have been told boys with no Type Ratings have got in. Do I have a Chance ?

It seems maybe you need to know someone, any leads there, PM me if you can help, PLEASE !!!!!

Hey guys, almost finished my JAA fATPL. Live in the UAE, will be applying to the usual places in europe, (ryanair, easy etc) but would much rather stay at home !! I am planning on going down to the AA HR office in a few weeks to find out what the score is for a non emiratie. I know this does not happen usually but its worth a shot.. They might just be short !(fingers crossed). Any tips suggestions ? Anyone I should talk to in particular ?

Cheers

air arabia abinitio
 

i just wanted to know if air arabia hire bahraini nationals holding frozen atpl with cpl/meir 295 hrs of total flight

bahraini national
 

arabia hire anybody
good luck

Upgrades In Air Arabia
 

How Long Does It Take To Get Command For A F/o Joining With 1500tt & 800hrs On A320.

For Example In Qatar Airways 3years In Service And 5000tt.

Info. Will Be Highly Appreciated.

Minimum 2 years if you are lucky. Just recently 5 or 6 FOs were placed on assessment but so far 3 already failed.

thanks mate for the info :ok:

Air Arabia getting B738 ?
 

I heard from a couple of friends working there that Air Arabia is looking for B738 since they cannot get their A320 orders on time from Airbus.
Anyone can confirm ?

Just plain crap I would say. But if there's any iota of truth to this, then this could be a wise move on the part of AA to stem the exodus of their Airbus rated pilots to bigger and better airlines such as EK and EY. 3 FO's confirmed resigned, and others to follow suit.

And if they do get the 738's, i wonder where they're gonna get the pilots from. Hmmm...

So now 3 FO's is an exodus? And FYI EY are not taking 320 rated guys.

EY
 

I know a guy who was A320 Type rated and has been assigned on A330 with EY like a mounth ago or something.

3 FO's may not be an exodus, but could be a part of. And who says EY is not taking 320 rated guys? Now that is the real crap! And FYI, jackbowser, lots of 320 guys got in to EY recently. Maybe you failed.

Said Ali
 

Air Arabia flies Airbus A320s and intends to buy single-aisle planes, either from Airbus's A320 family or Boeing's 737 models.

"We are talking to both companies and we will look at the best deal for the company," said Ali. "We will not mix fleets." Air Arabia will make a decision on the purchase of planes in six to eight months, said Ali, formerly an executive with British Airways.

The carrier, which started operations in October 2003 as the first low-cost carrier in the Middle East, said on January 22 that it applied for approval from the UAE regulatory authorities to go public this year, which would make it the first publicly traded airline in the Gulf.

The company plans to sell 55 per cent of its shares by June and use most of the money raised to purchase the planes. "Our objective of the initial public offering is to expand the size of the airline," Ali said.
"The money will not be used for any other purposes." Air Arabia's net income more than tripled in 2006 to $27.5 million (Dh101m) from a year earlier, he said. The airline carried 1.76 million passengers last year and its average passenger load factor increased from 72 per cent in October 2003, when it started operations, to 81 per cent in 2006, Ali said.

The airline flies to 32 destinations and wants to tap into the Indian market and former countries comprising former Soviet Union. (Bloomberg)

And since the company is now operating 320's, this means then that the only best option is for them to buy additional 320's, yah?

And jackbauser, what was that again you were saying about EY? Huh? :rolleyes:

FO pay
 

May someone tell me what is the starting pay (take home) after all allowences in Air Arabia please.
Thanks

Check it out here

http://www.airarabia.com/documents/aa_fo_package_en.pdf

Aa Intake With A320 Type Rating
 

I would like to know if airarabia recruits second officer pilots with a CPL & A320 type rating(self sponsored) but no hrs on type.

If so are there any min. flying hours?

feedback higly appreciated.
cheers.

Yes they do have a S/O program and a quite a number of S/Os have already finished their line work have been released to the line and are making some money. I am assuming you have the Type already. It really depends on how many hours you have? Have you any other experience: i.e. Flight Instructing, Charter, Small Corporate, Night Bank flying etc. It also depends on how tied up the training department is.

Right now there are a lot of F/O upgrades and training is really running at top speed. Any sim time and instructor time is going to those guys (as well as DECs coming from other airlines.) So to answer your question again, the answer is yes they do hire S/Os. What % I could not tell you and have no idea. Out of 150 pilots or so the last few years I’d say 7-10 were S/Os that came through and are now on the line or have moved on to other carriers. There are also 3 or 4 in the pipeline right now at various stages.

In reality, as with just about any job, it will come down to the interview. They like you and think you will fit into the operation, and then you’ll probably make it. But then that is just my opinion. Give it a shot, send the resume and fill out the application and all you can loose is a stamp and some time.

Burners and out!

Hi there Weasel,

Would you know if the S/O's get paid anything during their line training ? And also would you know how long the mandatory line training is for (100,200,300 etc. hrs) ?

Thanks

can bahrainis apply as abinitio with air arabia holding frozen atpl cpl/meir

UAE Air Law
 

Has any pilot ever failed the air law exam.????

glf

Funny there is an "air law" exam in the uae when there is apparently no "drive law" enforceable...:ugh:

Have been out of the loop for a few months but will answer if you have not found out by now. Yes there is a time. I believe it is a couple hundred sectors for 2nd Officers. Probably will take the better part of a year because most TRIs like to do short sectors and not spend 6-8 hours flying for 1-2 sectors for a 2nd officer.
Don’t know the exact requirements for BAH guys but most of the pilot management is BAH so I would guess it would be a good shot for any guy from Manama.
Don’t know that about failing an Air Law exam, but most of the pilots are really good guys. Not too much arrogance but then again they are getting bigger and you don’t know what you’ll find. I believe you will get all the help you need between management and the pilot group to get through the exam. Now the line check that is a different story! :)

Burners & Out

AA-S/O Fresher FAA CPL/IR/ME
 

Hi! People, am wirting here for the first time seeking info from all you experienced people on Air Arabia Second officer recruitment.

I have just graduated with an FAA CPL/IR/ME... no type rating.Total time 230 hrs.

How should I prepare, what all should I study for the S/O interview?
Please help!!!

I am guessing , If i clear the interview they wil put me on an A320 since 737s are not coming anytime soon!

As far as I know no second officer program scheduled for the moment.

Dear sir,
thank you ,really appreaciate your reply

Assuming that I had to prepare for an S/O interview ,what preparation do I need to do in order to successfully clear the S/O selection process?

Hi fellows,

It would be very nice if a current Air Arabia Captain could tell us what the monthly average take home pay is.

Many thanks in advance and happy landings everybody.

Cheers.

Air Arabia New Pay Rate: Effective Jan 1, 2008
 

Captain Basic

Less then 1000 hrs in type = 21,000 Dhm/mo

1000 to 2000 hrs in type = 23,000 Dhm/mo

More then 2000 hrs in type = 27,500 Dhm/mo

Housing = 12,000 Dhm/mo a dedicated housing allowance so pilots who would like to benefit from the advanced pay can utilize the full amount in one lump sum.

Transportation = 1,000 Dhm/mo

Total fixed pay between 34,000 – 40,500 Dhm/ mo

Seniority increase = 500 Dhm on completion of one year and 1000 Dhm for every successive year to a maximum of 9,500 Dhm/mo

Education Allowance Total allowance up to a max of.100,000 Dhm. (75,000 Dhm for Outside UAE) for an academic year for all children within the age group of 4 to 18 years. There is no per child limit.

Flying Allowance Day flights will be paid @1 time the credit block hours allowance &Night flights will be paid @1.5 times the credit block hours allowance.

Credit Block Hours = Scheduled Two Sector Flight Time rounded to next highest hour. A Sharjah-Sana-Sharjah two sector trip has a scheduled block time of 2:35 Sharjah-Sana and 2:30 Sana-Sharjah for a trip total of 5:05. The credit block hours is 6 hours of pay.

Night Pay is the flying that commences between 1830- 0630 local no matter what time the trip ends. In the Sana, Yemen case above, the credit block hours is 1.5 the day credit block hours or 9 hours of pay in this Sana example if it departs between the hours designated as night. Approximately 39% of Air Arabia flying hours are night flying.

Flying Allowance Rate 1- 25 hrs = 30/hr; 26 -50 hrs = 60/hr; 51- 75 hrs = 120/hr; 76+ = 240/hr

Duty pay @ 10 Dhm/ actual flying duty hour

Day off Flying @ 280Dhm plus flying allowance rate

Annual Leave = 45 days

LOL, Death Insurance, Medical Insurance remains the same.

Sick and Personal Leave remain the same.

Annual Bonus = Unknown, but 2006 was 3 months.

Stock = Unknown, but last restricted award was 250,000 shares to captains with progressive vesting dates.

Synopses: The difference between flight time and credit time is apx 7.2% based upon Air Arabia’s schedule.

The differential between day and night pay is fair. The incentive for reduced flight times for the crew is large with the according benefit. The difference in potential pay is great but it depends upon the pilot’s personal desires. The pilot has the ability to choose between large salary and quality of life.
Should a pilot choose to maximize his/her pay the potential is great. A pilot can choose to fly 100 hours of night flights. 100 hours of actual flying is about 107.2 credit hours of flying.

Night flying is a 50% premium or 161 hours for pay. Using the productivity pay scale the pilot will earn 25,890 Dhm (750+1500+3000+20,640 Dhm.) plus duty pay (apx. 1,500 Dhm.) Adding that to the basic (for a 2,000+ Captain) the monthly salary would be 68,000 Dhm per month. The same flying in day would be 55,000 Dhm.

Caveat: there are several areas that must be addressed. The scenarios above are maximums to a degree. They do not take into account under flying which would allow the pilot to accumulate more credit block hours per actual hour flown. It also assumes the night legalities are adhered too but all in all it is a good example. It is possible to make more per month but the minimum is fairly accurate for a 100 hour flying month. Air Arabia pilots fly the legal maximum yearly = 900 block hours. The credited hours can be considerably higher.

Under flying is that amount of flying that is actually done below the scheduled flying. In other words in the Sana case above a pilot flying the 5:05 trip is paid 6 hours.

Assuming it would be possible (legalities etc) to fly this trip all month a pilot would be able to fly this 19.7 times in a month (20 times) and get paid for 120 hours. Should the pilot fly the flight in 4:30 per trip his pay is still 6 hours; however, he would be able to fly this 22.2 times a month. This would pay him 133.3 hours a month or a 13 hour premium for under fly. If this flying were all night flying (once again assuming legalities) the credit time would be 200 hours for pay. A pretty heavy pay check at 77,000+ Dhm!

AED (Dhm) = 3.66/$1US

No I’m not management, nor a recruiter.

Hope this helps but if it doesn’t, well there is always Martin-Baker!

Burners and Out!

Arabia F/O's pay?
 

Hey WW,
would you be able to shed some light on the F/O's package??
many thanks
INV