Ahhh ok, there just might be a light at the end of the tunnel.
BP

Hi Everyone
 

I recommend you before starting to speak about people to make Sure that you are right ;) Okay brother......Because Captain M.M and Captain Y.S they are against each other ,,,,,,,How can you say that Captain M.M well join Air Arabia .......I f U wanna me To remind you A history Of Oman Air Do u remeber the two Pilots Captain H and Captain N they are traning Captains in Air Arabia Now......:) So Think from your head thoase two Pilots Resined from Oman AIR Because Of Captin M.M ....How Come Captin M.M well join Air Arabia := Is Impossible my Friend ........dont through speach to people and something else The two guys as you saying they were kicked Out From Ministry Of transport You Are Laying because one of them is Advisor To the Minister on Civil Aviation Affairs......Don Lie to people becaue you well go to hell...:cool:

I'm afraid your information is not correct 222, Capt MM ain't going any where.
BP.
Hey, 4HP, Me thinks I've figured the "Quote" thing now. :}

Oman Air Pilots
 

From Pilot7007 Quote,"Don Lie to people becaue you well go to hell..."


Hey P7007. Can you please try not to be emotional and become a preacher by advising who will end up in hell:= , but shed some light and be more specific whom you are talking about?
Is YS or MM the advisor to the minister!! Cause 800kms away from an organization, I am sure YS would not be much of help in advising while working as an F/O!
Thanks man
INV

hi guys

there is a gossip that the chief training captain is leaving to airbus industries in India , any clarifications ? who will take over ?

S.A661

That would be really bad news for them since they are already lacking crews at all levels

Guys Dont Worry Oman AIR well change
 

Hi Collegue:
Am sorry for my behaivour in last mesage ,But i think everyone Knows that No one was happy when Captain M.M was In that position Many Pilots Resined Because of Him ,,,,,,:( Many Good Pilots they resind But What To do this is the Life i Really wish them all the Best With their Carrer Inshalah ,,,,,,But there Well be an improvement Inshallah Espically with A new D.M.O and S.M.L.O who Used to be a fleet captain :ok: I wish them all the best Inshallah ,,,,,We have to woek As a team In the company and try to keep One Hand So we Can Reach To Our Goal Which Is A Safe Flight ......Cheeer Brothers

A new DMO, a new SMLO, a new Fleet Capt, a new SMTS, nothing will change until you change the real stumbling block, HR. :ugh: Till thats done nothing proposed will be accepted.
How HR dictates Ops is amazing, it should be the other way around.:confused:
BP

air arabia
 

:) hello guys,,did any one interview by air arabia need to know more detail about the exam,s ?thanx

Air Arabia extends bond length
 

Heard this weekend that Air Arabia increased the bond for the guys they give a type rating to, from 3 years now to 5 years ! And also now any one joining Air Arabia with a type rating has to sign a contract saying they will not go to any other UAE airline for 3 years!

Great way to stop the pilots from leaving, but what kind of pilots will that attract?

Note, post was move to cabin crew from here for some reason

Air Arabia is increasing all of their bond lengths as one way to make sure that they keep their pilots! They are having a hard time getting enough pilots, with moral at a new low, lower pay than the other carriers in the region and all pilots going to the legal max hours. That along with no basic pay increase since the start and no real overtime pay.

The latest from the chief pilot is some leave for December will be cancelled as not enough pilots and many of those hired are not showing up. On top of that, they could not plan for the full month so they issued rosters only for the first 15 days!

sounds to me like mesures of despiration and panic.

Can't be that desperate as they still have an age 50 limit.Surely they could use a few 50 yr old Capt's on some type of short contract. Not for me mind you.

Sand dweller where did you get this tosh that pilots at AA have not had a rise in basic pay, to my knowledge last years rise was in the order of 15%.

It depends whose spin on the pay you listen to.

Management have been good at changing the way the pilots are paid each year to make the raise look larger. In a month with full vacation there has been zero increase for all pilots, and for new Captains the base pay has decreased by 10% since the company first started. Also, originally the company added the yearly service increase to the base pay, but when they figured out that would increased any bonus or the amount of Gratuity they had to pay, they reversed the base pay increase and came up with a “Seniority Allowance”. And, the flight pay system introduced to replace overtime, pays at a rate only 50% of other carrier in the region.

The Chief Pilot put out a Memo show the pay raise was 18%, but that was only for one month when the average for the year was around 7% but depended on when you took vacation and how fast you did your 900 hrs.:ugh:

any one fly with air arabia
 

hello,if any one fly with air arabia i need some kind of advice .please send back private messages.thanx

AirArabia info please!!
 

:ok: Hello guys and girls. Just wanted to know if anybody out there has information regarding Air Arabia's recruitment process. I know its generally an interview and sim ride in the A320. But if somebody has current specific information ,your help would be very, very much appreciated! My interviews next month...

dog

Hello, i have an interview coming up with AA and was wondering if anyone can shed some light on the process, interview, sim etc. any help would be much appreciated!!!

It's a 2-day selection process. First day - a short tech quiz, followed by a group exercise and then a panel interview with some management guys and the head of HR. Second day - sim evaluation.

The questions are mostly taken from the FCOMs and some basic ATPL stuff just to test your tech knowledge and how well you know your aircraft. I can't give you any particular example but if you start reading your FCOMs now then the tech quiz would come fairly easy.

In the group exercise you will be given a problem scenario wherein you and your groupmates are required to come up with a solution. Give inputs, make suggestions but don't be too loud or be too aggressive. Teamwork is the keyword here.

The interview is basically a "getting to know you" stuff. Just be yourself. Be calm. They are a very nice and friendly bunch of folks.

The sim eval is a typical engine failure on take off. Vectors to finals IMC conditions, raw data approach and landing. Brush up also on your go-around procedures. Better to make a go-round than force the airplane to land in unstable conditions. Be prepared as well for a possible EGPWS or Windshear after take off scenario. Again the keyword here is good CRM. Just give it your best shot.

And about the company? Depending on an individual's perspective, but in my opinion I would say it's one nice and cool outfit. The people are nice and friendly. If you are coming to work here, just be prepared to have an open mind about living in the Gulf area. Some people like it here, some people don't. But like I said, it all boils down on how you want to live your life. Remember that you are a joining a low cost carrier, and as with other LCC's, the business model is based on simplicity and there's just no point comparing it with the other majors. Right now the company is expanding by leaps and bounds. Given a few more years though, who knows, Air Arabia might just be the next Emirates or Etihad. Inshallah!

Goodluck!

Gday Camel,

Thankyou very much for the informative post. Im really looking forward to it all.

Dog;)

airarabia
 

hello cameltoe2006, please check your private messages.thank you

airarabia
 

http://www.pprune.org/forums/images/...inksbuddie.gif Air Arabia
Hey I am working for Arabia and must say its a fantastic company to work for.:ok: Just join and do what i am doing;) stay one or two years and then move onto bigger and better things such as Emirates:} it is easy once you are with Air Arabia they give you plenty of hours and training :D :D :D what better preparation to join Emirates:O it is a walk in park :E :E :E I have already paved my way to EK so dont be afraid to try and you might make it as well.:p :\ :p
So good Luck you all:ok:

Hummmmm!!!!

I thought Emirates wasn't taking from Arabia. It is well known in the Gulf.

The same way Emptyhad is not taking anyone from Gulf Air and Qatari.

only time will tell.

Last year two AA pilots applied with EK and they got thru. I don't know if there are anyone else leaving this year. Maybe M. Taher Saber can give us any info...

Good day Cameltoe.

I know one of the pilots that came over and they say it was the best decision. A lot less work and much more money.

But it is funny how great you say Air Arabia is because several friends I know there are not happy at all. No rosters to speak of. Everyday is a roster change. Worked to the legal max every month and then some are forced to go on your annual vacation. Overtime pay is next to nothing also.

A couple of the FOs i know went there because they were told they were going to get a quick upgrade. that has slowed really down and since the pay at EK is much better a few are now applying to come over here.

Guess we will see if they are accepted....

G'day too, dxba330.

A bit funny what I said, but I am speaking about the company from my own point of view. I also mentioned that AA is low cost, and if you look at other LCC's in the Gulf region and even Asia, AA I think is comparatively better. I presume that you are flying with EK, and if you are happy where you are, then good for you. I am most certain though that not everyone there shares the same feeling as yours. So again, it all boils down to an individual's point of view.

I want you to know as well that I am a man of dignity and honor. To be honest with you, I also received invitations from both EK and EY, but I still have a contract to fulfill and I am legally and morally bound to honor it. If your friends are not happy in AA then by all means they can leave anytime and seek that elusive path to happiness. Air Arabia may have its own problems (e.g. rostering), which is quite typical for a new starter and the so-called "growing pains" as it is in the process of expanding. But these are solvable problems with doable solutions and do not speak about the whole company per se. The company I believe is looking after these problems and are particularly concerned about the welfare of its pilots. Rumours even have it that 3 or 4 months basic salary will be given as bonus. Where else can you find a company as generous as this? On average, Captains earn a minimum of 37000 dhms/mo and FOs get around 28000/mo. which to me is not so bad when you speak about a low cost company.

So please read again my previous post. I speak solely based on how I feel. Happiness, after all, is a relative thing.

Good day! :ok:

Hi Cameltoe pls see your PM

You are not whom you claim!
 

Quote,"Air Arabia
Hey I am working for Arabia and must say its a fantastic company to work for.:ok: Just join and do what i am doing;) stay one or two years and then move onto bigger and better things such as Emirates:} it is easy once you are with Air Arabia they give you plenty of hours and training :D :D :D what better preparation to join Emirates:O it is a walk in park :E :E :E I have already paved my way to EK so dont be afraid to try and you might make it as well.:p :\ :p
So good Luck you all:ok:"unquote

I am certain the above post is not by the person whose name has been used! This is against the basic PPrune membership rules. Who would brag like that? And the person with this post has nothing better to do:confused:
INV

Fujairah FROZEN ATPL
 

Hi all,

iv heard from many people, including an instructor at Fujairah aviation acadamy (in the UAE - Near Dubai), that Air Arabia, and other airlines in the UAE, possibly Emptyhad, and Emirates are looking at Fujairah to provide them with a steady stream of pilots as the airlines grow, since they cannot get enought nationals to train because there arnt many nationals in UAE:sad:, and since many pilots are leaving because they are mistreated,:ouch: also amongst other problems including pay against the high inflation of the Dirham:( , and housing problems.:suspect:

im intresting in doing the 0-ATPL course there and try my luck so by the time i finish, they should be real desprete:E :E :E :E...

anyone got anymore info?:ok:

regards,

Hamid_27

G9 already fly to Tehran so we are only talking about an increase in frequency. They used to operate a Moscow but it didn't work, so if Armenian want to take it on from G9's Yerevan I am sure they will be happy to connect.

psychometric test airarabia
 

:) hi all, any one done the psychometric test with airarabia? need help urgent regarding the test.thank you

PMs
 

Hello guys! Pls check your PMs. Sorry for the late replies...Wish you all the best!

Air Arabia are to start Pakistan this year, Karachi and Peshawar are the cities they will serve.

G9 aka ABY
 

Air Arabia has some real problems and some fantastic perks. From the pilots standpoint the major problems exist in several areas.
ABY is a money-making machine! Loads, to India especially, are in the 90+ %. Flights are full throughout the year. Once a new city opens, the flights quickly fill (within weeks) to 80% + load-factor. Growth is unbelievable and a large percentage of the Captains were first officers only a few years ago. These facts, lead to many of the complaints.
Currently there are 8 aircraft on property with one wet lease. 3 additional a/c are coming this year and if 2006 was an indicator the true number will likely be 4-5.
The Bad
1. Pay and benefits are not comparable to other carriers in the region (not even close.)
2. Pay is not commensurate to the amount of work the crews do.
3. Scheduling is horrific and little change is in sight. Comments like Air Arabia is a startup airline are no longer valid.
4. Housing pay is insufficient for the actual cost of living.
5. Leaders in HR are Indian nationals that feel pilots should live like other working Indians in the UAE.
6. Education reimbursement costs are extremely low and inadequate for anyone with children.
7. Work is extremely hard with an inordinate amount of flying between 10PM and 8AM local time at no extra pay.
8. There are no overnight rests (except for Colombo, Sri Lanka.)
9. No retirement and no travel benefits.
10. Medical horrible and no dental
The Good
1. The actual working environment (the cockpit) is a fun place to be.
2. Management lets you do your job and does not micromanage your performance.
3. The airplanes are all new and very well maintained (by most standards.)
4. Upgrades for F/Os are quick and usually within the time period mentioned when the pilot arrives (assuming the pilot has the credentials.)
5. Management is usually straight forward (except on the rates of pay.) What they say (while you may not like it) usually is what they mean and will do. Open doors at all levels from Fleet Manager to CEO.
6. A fully diverse pilot group. The Former Soviet Union is represented with Armenians to Ukrainians. Europe has Spanish, Irish, Belgians, Italians, French, Portuguese, and of course the British. The Americas are represented by Canadians, Brazilians, and Columbians. The Arab world ranges from Tunisians, Sudanese and Egyptians in Africa to Oman, Iranians and Emiratees in the East.
7. Pay is always on time and bonuses are within those of others. (Talk is this year it will be 4 months basic salary.)
8. For a young kid flight time is rapidly gained.
9. Paid annual leave ticket to your home of record for you, spouse and up to 3 children.
10. Talk of stock given in an IPO.
It appears the philosophy of Air Arabia is NOT to have long term employees. The turnover rate is extremely high. Pilots are constantly understaffed; however, proper staffing will result in large pay reductions for the remaining pilots. There have been a number of “cadet pilots” who have worked for no pay, but did get experience. After finishing their cadet status, they are brought on the seniority list and rapidly gain additional experience. Some of these have since left and gone to carriers like Easy Jet in Europe. Also, pilots who have never had command status before now have been upgraded to Captain. It is their first command and within three years they can have 2400 hours command time.
Now there is nothing from preventing a pilot for staying as long as he or she desires. Longevity raises are annual and while not included in your “basic salary” for reasons mentioned on other posts; the cash spends all the same. They have the largest number of female pilots (based upon the ratio of total pilots to female pilots) in the area. There is already an Arabic female Captain and the first female F/O is currently in her upgrade evaluation process.
A large percentage of the pilots are upset. I do feel management is aware of this situation and their course of action will determine the future. A pilot will work extremely hard flying 100 + hours every month and do 150 – 175 duty hours a month. While the print says “home every night,” that is misleading. Home is really only a short rest period, for the pilot has insufficient legal time to go to dinner and have a few drinks with his wife before he flies again. It is very common for a pilot to leave at 9PM and fly all night returning at 8AM the next morning. Then the pilot will go and fly again at 9PM that same evening. This will be done to the limits of the law (3 in a row and 4 in 7 days.)
The company also has the belief that a pilot should work a set number of days (which is getting harder to do.) The stated number of days off is 8 per month however; the flying is getting longer all the time. 9 hours flight time a day is very common in only two sectors and the company average is over 7 hours per day. Doing the math one can see that 100 hours does not add up to 22 days of work. As a result scheduling will have you fly long flights for most of the month and then fly short (DOH, BAH, MCT, KWI etc) flights to “fill” in the number of day. It is very common for a pilot to have 80 hours by the 15 of the month and then finish the month working 18-22 days at 95-100 hours. Two weeks of annual leave will still have you flying 45-60 hours.
Housing is a real issue and transportation is non existent. So for the most part that is it!
Burners and Out!

need help with airarabia
 

:) hi all, any one done the psychometric test with airarabia? need help urgent regarding the test.thank you[/quote]

Ab Initio
 

-Does AA induct non-national ab-initio cadets?

-How long does it take for a SO to get to an FO status?

-Are psycho. tests given much weightage?

Any help will be appreciated.

thanx,
mV8

to the guys who work at A Arabia:

just wondering if you could tell me if AA would possibly start taking on non nationals with no experience???

i'm currently doing my flight training in the UK and hope to finish this summer, i would love to work in the middle east and AA seems a good place to start for someone like me who wants to eventually work for Etihad, Gulf or EY!

IF you think its a possibility i can be considered when i've completed my training what kind of salary would i be looking at for the first few years?

Happy landings

Recruitment at G9
 

Hi there,

I have a CASA CPL/Multi CIR with 270 hours total (inluding 60 multi). I was wondering if I would be eligible for recruitment into Air Arabia if I self sponsored an A320 Type Rating, and the relevant Airbus prescribed ELT (Entry Level Training - MCC + Jet Transition).

Any feedback in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Drop them a mail no harm in asking.

Thanks for the reply Hansol, will do.