380 pay

[nimrodjoe]

Why is the a380 pay so low in the ME compared to other carriers? Flying the number of pax you would expect to be far higher. Discuss…

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Why is the a380 pay so low in the ME compared to other carriers? Flying the number of pax you would expect to be far higher. Discuss…

hold on, let me make some popcorn!

[papalovesjumbo]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Why is the a380 pay so low in the ME compared to other carriers? Flying the number of pax you would expect to be far higher. Discuss…

could you give more insight of the carriers that pay better ? I thought ME was paying the best at least the first decade in the fleet.

[allaru]

Yeh and they should get an extra bar, ie 5 bar Captains. And some gongs for flying over Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

[expat400]

Ahhh, the stupidity of pay by aircraft size... If you fly four sectors in 10 hours with an A321 with 200 seats you ship more pax than a 380 does on a normal flight. And, it might be much more revenue as well depending on the routes.

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by expat400

Ahhh, the stupidity of pay by aircraft size... If you fly four sectors in 10 hours with an A321 with 200 seats you ship more pax than a 380 does on a normal flight. And, it might be much more revenue as well depending on the routes.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

1000 hours flying 500-600+ pax on the 380 vs 1000 hours flying a couple of dozen on the emirates triple 7.

[flyTheBigFatLady]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

That makes no sense whatsoever.

1000 hours flying 500-600+ pax on the 380 vs 1000 hours flying a couple of dozen on the triple 7.

in this case it makes sense as not the hours count it’s the numbers of flight
380; lax and back 4 days 2 sectors a 500. = 1000pax
321: 4 days each 4 sectors a 200 = 3200pax

on 380 you do 8-10 sectors in a month not all of them being operating - on 321 that’s not even 1 week

321 is 8 times more take off and landings
or not to speak of potential amount of low vis and cold wx ops where the 321 is out beating the 380 by far
In terms of bad weather the 321 can in one week be an entire 380 career

last but not least on a widebody ac u got 1 hour flight prep in the flight deck - 321 turn around of max 30-45 min

[BANANASBANANAS]

Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady

in this case it makes sense as not the hours count it’s the numbers of flight
380; lax and back 4 days 2 sectors a 500. = 1000pax
321: 4 days each 4 sectors a 200 = 3200pax

on 380 you do 8-10 sectors in a month not all of them being operating - on 321 that’s not even 1 week

321 is 8 times more take off and landings
or not to speak of potential amount of low vis and cold wx ops where the 321 is out beating the 380 by far
In terms of bad weather the 321 can in one week be an entire 380 career

last but not least on a widebody ac u got 1 hour flight prep in the flight deck - 321 turn around of max 30-45 min

Also look at the number of crews required per aircraft on a short haul fleet v the number of crews required per aircraft on a long haul ffleet.

[flyTheBigFatLady]

Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS

Also look at the number of crews required per aircraft on a short haul fleet v the number of crews required per aircraft on a long haul ffleet.

what’s the current crew factor in EK on the 380?

[BANANASBANANAS]

Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady

what’s the current crew factor in EK on the 380?

I wouldn't know the latest EK figures but typically a low cost short haul operator would look at about 7.5 crews per aircraft and a legacy A380 carrier would probably be at least 11 crews per aircraft. My information/opinion may be out of date.

[Twiglet1]

Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS

I wouldn't know the latest EK figures but typically a low cost short haul operator would look at about 7.5 crews per aircraft and a legacy A380 carrier would probably be at least 11 crews per aircraft. My information/opinion may be out of date.

Short haul low cost you mean about 5 crews

[FlightDetent]

Correct. All LoCo SHs pushing for the 4 crew / AC mirage, but not really getting there. Below 5x is the par with the efficient ones, however.

[BANANASBANANAS]

Originally Posted by Twiglet1

Short haul low cost you mean about 5 crews

Wow, that has gone down a lot. No wonder crews are complaining of fatigue.

[Akrep]

My previous LoCo operating 737 crew factor was around 4.5 and yes I left because of fatigue.

[Sisiphos]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

That makes no sense whatsoever.

1000 hours flying 500-600+ pax on the 380 vs 1000 hours flying a couple of dozen on the emirates triple 7.

Interesting debate. I would argue it's even more complicated, since a hub needs short haul to fill the 380 up and a lot of passengers hence take two trips, maybe one long-haul and then a connection flight, all for one price.

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by Sisiphos

Interesting debate. I would argue it's even more complicated, since a hub needs short haul to fill the 380 up and a lot of passengers hence take two trips, maybe one long-haul and then a connection flight, all for one price.

But in the DXB “Heavies” and even “Supers” sometimes perform many of “short haul” flights.

[nimrodjoe]

Why do all the 380 muppets call themselves super in the cruise lol

[captainsmiffy]

Well we did nearly splash a biz-jet in the cruise a few years back due our wake…..

[Wizofoz]

Originally Posted by nimrodjoe

Why do all the 380 muppets call themselves super in the cruise lol

Because it's a requirement.

[nimrodjoe]

Originally Posted by Wizofoz

Because it's a requirement.

where’s that written clever bollocks ? I thought it was a sign of masculine insecurities.