Flydubai Vs EK

[Desertboki]

Originally Posted by 5strypes

As someone who knows a small amount about EK and close to nothing about FZ, would there be a major difference between DEC FZ or FO EK? Salary wise of course a captain at FlyDubai seems to make more but does that include a reasonable education allowance and any of the perks EK pilots seem to get(insurance, chauffeur drive, staff travel)?

Would it be better over a 10 year period doing 4/5 years as an EK FO then moving for command or going in as a DEC 737 at FZ?

Are the hours similarly high at FZ?

Go to EK, there is no comparison on lifestyle ,salary, pension. High energy,if you check their posts is part of the FZ recruitment team. There is another mass exodus of pilots from FZ to EK about to happen. You can ask any pilot in FZ this.

[Desertboki]

Originally Posted by Twiglet1

No fatigue is an interesting remark especially after the accident in Russia

great point. And it’s still there.

[arvida]

How many days per month do you fly in average at both airlines?

[hbi777]

Is Emirates calling for Assessments?

Hello fellow aviators hope everyone is having a great day. I am curious if Emirates is calling people for Assessments these days as I have applied for a while now and nothing yet from them so far. If anybody recently received a callup for an Assessment do let me know also if anybody wants to share their timeline from the time they applied and when they eventually got a call for Assessment thanks.

[Gaspacho]

Flydubai roster

Hello gents,

Can anyone please share a recent Flydubai roster?
Just to get an idea.

Thanks in advance!

[High Energy]

Originally Posted by Gaspacho

Hello gents,

Can anyone please share a recent Flydubai roster?
Just to get an idea.

Thanks in advance!

Sure, as CPT. Dec is 15 days OFF + 3 rest days, one evening stby without a call thus a block of 4 consec days off, 84 block hrs, 10 flights, no layover and no nights. Got my requested day off, x-mass+2 off, 31st off and all but 2 flights were requested flights. And it’s not even the best month I’ve had this year. Net pay should be about 17.5k USD incl allowances.

[Emma Royds]

Originally Posted by High Energy

Sure, as CPT. Dec is 15 days OFF + 3 rest days, one evening stby without a call thus a block of 4 consec days off, 84 block hrs, 10 flights, no layover and no nights. Got my requested day off, x-mass+2 off, 31st off and all but 2 flights were requested flights. And it’s not even the best month I’ve had this year. Net pay should be about 17.5k USD incl allowances.

84 block hours over 10 flights gives an average sector length of 8.4 hours. With no layovers, those are some seriously long turnarounds!

[High Energy]

Originally Posted by Emma Royds

84 block hours over 10 flights gives an average sector length of 8.4 hours. With no layovers, those are some seriously long turnarounds!

Most days are actually pushing 10.5 hrs turns, each. It's the two short sectors to 'optimize' my productivity that drop it down to 8.4. Jan is actually at 8.5hrs average per day. Same, no nights and no layovers. Total 82 block hrs. Oh and minimum 13 days off + 4 rest days off, all without leave. If they don't call for 2 evening stby I'll make it 20 days off incl a stretch of 10+ consecutive days without any flights! But absolutely maxed out for the 12 month rolling period. So I'm defo not sitting still.

[santacruz]

Those of you considering 15 years at EK; think about the cost on your body. Can you put a price on what a 777 roster does to your health?

[5strypes]

Originally Posted by santacruz

Those of you considering 15 years at EK; think about the cost on your body. Can you put a price on what a 777 roster does to your health?

Is FZ much better? The 737 seems to do long sectors, and with the 787 coming it's anyone's guess. Not arguing, genuinely curious. Coming from current short haul with an A380 offer.

[High Energy]

Originally Posted by 5strypes

Is FZ much better? The 737 seems to do long sectors, and with the 787 coming it's anyone's guess. Not arguing, genuinely curious. Coming from current short haul with an A380 offer.

Depends on your personal interest. Hopefully one can stay away from the 787 if one wants too. For sure there will be no mixed fleet flying so my guess now is that if you want to stay on the 737 you most probably can. Time will tell tbh. Wrt sector length. If you don't fancy long sectors then don't bid for them. If you don't want layovers then don't bid for them. Obviously you need to do x amount of productivity but still. I see collegues with a whole month of less than 2.5hr average sector lengths. Downside is you will likely have to make a few more trips to get the hours but eh... Or collegues bidding only for early or night GCC stuff for various reasons and getting it. If you are bid prio 1 or 2 then even as a junior you will get almost all trips what you want. You can pretty much make the roster what you want 40% of the time. The other 40% is maybe a 50/50 between bidding and getting and the last 20% you need to bid for annual leave. Plus or minus 10% variation depending where in the calender year you are. Joking aside then bid for perhaps longer and less desirable layover trips and throw a week or 2 of annual leave in the mix. Easy. And then the cycle begins again. With the continued expansion wrt destinations, fleet size and composition it will only get better and better. Not too long I guess before we'll start running a split base so even more variables in the mix to make a nice roster.

I personally like the loooong turns so come to work 9/10 times a month and fly 80/90hrs with near 20 days off. Then on bottom 2 bids it's 60/70hrs, more trips with min days off. You gain seniority quick too equilling better rosters.

[Red_giant]

FZ have now introduced a provident fund from Jan 2024

I heard at the higher end of the seniority list up to 25% per month is going in to the pot.

[High Energy]

Originally Posted by Red_giant

FZ have now introduced a provident fund from Jan 2024

I heard at the higher end of the seniority list up to 25% per month is going in to the pot.

17.5% at the top.

[midnight cruiser]

No company is ever going to be of interest to experienced pilots if they attach seniority to anything - be it pay, pension, rosters, base transfer, leave, or anything else.

​​​​​ Fine if they can function as a cadet entry only airline.

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by midnight cruiser

No company is ever going to be of interest to experienced pilots if they attach seniority to anything - be it pay, pension, rosters, base transfer, leave, or anything else.

​​​​​ Fine if they can function as a cadet entry only airline.

One would say those are the very aspects that make a “career” airline with very little attrition.

[midnight cruiser]

Nope. I can tell you from my personal decisions, that reasonably egalitarian non-seniority is essential when choosing an airline. For that reason, I decided not to turn up to the FD final sim check, left Ryanair (who brought in seniority) and accepted QR; and if I were experienced RHS, would favour EK "fast track". Airlines are perfectly at liberty to run seniority systems, but personally I have no interest in doing the same job for worse terms or worse rosters.

[VThokie2]

Originally Posted by midnight cruiser

Nope. I can tell you from my personal decisions, that reasonably egalitarian non-seniority is essential when choosing an airline. For that reason, I decided not to turn up to the FD final interview and accepted QR; and if I were experienced RHS, would favour EK "fast track". Airlines are perfectly at liberty to run seniority systems, but personally I have no interest in doing the same job for worse terms or worse rosters.

Well all of the US Airlines are completely seniority based and almost all US EK Skippers of the past decade jumped at the first opportunity to join their ranks at the bottom as seniority based systems usually are an outgrowth of unionization which provides for much better quality of life and pay over the life of a pilot’s career than your “egalitarian model” where everyone is treated equally as bad from day 1 to the last day

[Emma Royds]

Originally Posted by Emma Royds

84 block hours over 10 flights gives an average sector length of 8.4 hours. With no layovers, those are some seriously long turnarounds!

That rather sounds like 10 duties rather than 10 flights!

To those considering the switch, there will be unhappy and happy people in every company. I have friends in FZ who are happy and I have flown with F/Os at EK who are ex FZ and personally feel far better and are less tired than before at FZ.

It would take a brave person to speculate what they think will happen in the next few years. FZ will branch into 787 ops and goodness knows how EK will handle so many new aircraft types from a crewing perspective. Therefore it would seem we are perhaps venturing into uncharted territory on both fronts. If you are unsure whether to choose between FZ or EK then apply to both and let nature take its course and then make a decision based on what you have seen during the selection process.

[Apestogetherstrong]

What is with the funny pilot uniform at fly dubai. I have seen a few pictures and pilots look like flight attendants(no offence intended). It is just my opinion that the uniforms look funny and not professional at all

[High Energy]

Originally Posted by Apestogetherstrong

What is with the funny pilot uniform at fly dubai. I have seen a few pictures and pilots look like flight attendants(no offence intended). It is just my opinion that the uniforms look funny and not professional at all

Interesting. Why is it funny? It's no where close to flight attendants tbh but different, certainly. Just no tie and no jacket. I guess that came from the olderer culture of being different and relaxed/casual. We used to have 0 layovers so this was perfect. Over time transitioned to 30% being layovers with only more to be added. Other than that the brown/kaki shoes and belt will change to black shortly. Then it's like 90% of the worldwide uniforms. If I have to doubt we'll see the fleet wide addition of jacket and tie with the introduction of the 787's. Hopefully no cap though.

Actually they are very strict on following the uniform dress code. Unlike many others I've witnessed, including majors. As a recent example I flew non rev on a United 777 not too long ago and the FO was wearing pink socks and trousers that were too short. For us that would have been a offload, guaranteed.