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Qatar Fatigue Concerns

Old 21st Oct 2021, 12:50
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You are kidding me… I’m lost for words
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Old 21st Oct 2021, 22:15
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And if you thought they were screwing the crews before this - that was just foreplay!
7 years in QR and now free. Ahhh what memories.
Fashion Police
China turns
​​​​"its legal captain"
The moving of goal posts to cut down rest of re-classify a route as non ULR.
The walk to you car from the Crock in mid summer.
lack of sleep
FCSS - " sorry not possible"
being logged because of a Go Around...
THE FEAR FACTOR in EVERY FLIGHT

So do I miss QR?
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 11:03
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Please don’t mind my stupidity.
But you said being ‘logged’ because of a go around.
What exactly does ‘logged’ mean?
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 12:45
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"Logged" meand your roster duty becomes LOG, which is Leave On Ground (unpaid). You get removed from the roster pending outcome of being called to the office to discuss the event and wait for what they want to do with you ie back on roster, verbal warning, written warning, sent to the simulator, fired.

Flying the 777 at QR right now is like low cost carrier flying on long haul. It's tiring and cannot be sustained this way. Minimum days off per month and regular roster changes add to the frustration of a poor work/life balance. HR screwed up big time letting go too many pilots and not offering unpaid leave option. It will take time for the numbers to come up to show improvements in the work load. It also depends how lean the company want to keep the operation meaning they might want to keep saving money on pilot numbers and not mind us flying to close to maximum logged hour limits all the time...monthly, yearly (FACTORED) Actual true block hours and duty hours including dead head time (long flights in economy class) all add up to the fatigue of working at QR. Only time will tell how long this will continue on.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 16:05
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They will never manage to fix the quality of life. It is out of their capabilities. They have no idea what will happen at QR and of the massive resignations that will take place when the recruitment will open in Asia and in Europe but probably they do not care. They prefer to max out on duty the pilots and then recycle them with new ones who think they will live the dream. Then the new ones will start looking for another job after a while and so how it goes. It will always be like that.
They do not have the knowledge and the capability to offer a good quality of life. Mostly people from the east continent in the offices who think they are lucky to have a job. Oh really ? how about safety ?
how about fatigue ? but no accident has happened so far so everything is okay. Even the unaware cabin crews say to some pilots who complain about flying much that the company has to save money. Cabin crews are totally unaware of what is going on and the pilot community should stay away discussing anything with them during flights. They are totally jealous of us because of our higher salaries. They tried to hire an HR gentleman from United Airlines. Hopefully he can do something but I doubt he will manage when he has to deal with insanity.
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 16:26
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Thanks QNH for the detailed explanation.
So what you’re essentially saying is that a pilot can be GROUNDED or even fired for a simple go around?
Something which is highly encouraged in other parts of the world …😳
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 17:47
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The consequences of a go around are not from simply executing the go around. The consequences will be a result of the flight management leading to a go around, or the management of the go around.
I have done a few of the maneuvers without being grounded or fired.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 14:46
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No, I am not saying you can be fired for a Go-Around. It depends on how serious the situation was, what were the factors were, the approach itself, intentional violation etc. You may not even be on LOG or called in the office because of a go-around if your safety report reasons are fine. I was just explaining what can possibly happen when you are on LOG.
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 17:01
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Can I ask.. what is LOG?
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Old 23rd Oct 2021, 17:38
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Look a bit further up the page.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 01:12
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Scary stuff.

I was personally going to fly QSuites soon but have changed to avoid QR due to this thread.

The sustained pressures on flight crew are real and result in some awful habits and complacency as well as growing wilful negligence.

Who knows what someone may do to make the company listen.
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Old 24th Oct 2021, 13:21
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EK has same issue. Buyer beware!
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 06:02
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Sorry guys but I have to be controversial here. It is all your fault for what you are sucking up now in Qatar.
The management just sees and laugh their asses off seeing such a bunch of loosers.
I would off the first month seeing all this crap they are giving you. If ALL of you would do it then the next week you would be called back and offered golden contracts. But instead you gonna be sucking that crap till you pass out.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 09:12
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Of course you would. I would love to have you in the flight deck, I'm sure you're a joy to fly with too.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 19:34
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Q, easy to say from afar . Also I would not count on " golden" contracts . Time to wake up !
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 11:55
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I reckon the expat pilots of the middle east could make a bit extra cash on the side with their other skills.
I know porn production isn't legal in the middle east, but I reckon they could put some professional porn stars to shame! 🤣
Cannot believe the ME3 can even man a jet, just proves how low pilots can go!
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 17:06
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Well…….in fairness my dear, both are referred to as “Talent!”
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 07:20
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LOL Love your location ZETA, so sad but true.
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 11:39
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Exclusive-Pilots raise alarm at Qatar Airways for doctored hours, hidden fatigue

(Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Pilots at Qatar Airways say the state-owned airline is under-counting their work hours and ignoring complaints of fatigue - a safety breach that hurts staff health and risks passenger lives.

The testimony demonstrates how worker abuse extends even to the Gulf nationís high-skill industries, as Qatar Airways (QA) tries to minimize crew downtime.

Keep these reports flowing.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 13:01
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The big question is will the company do anything about this adverse publicity? I think the only thing that will force their hand is the regulators in countries they overfly/operate to start making moves to penalise/ban them. Without this happening nothing will change as they're clearly saving a lot of $$$ with these unsafe practices.
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