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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 03:15
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Umm, stop spreading information that is not correct. I work for the orange, blue tailed airline and salaries have always been on time. Almost every person that went on unpaid leave has already rejoined the company and they all have been back on payroll. The rotational leave for the staff that didn't opt for the voluntary leave or were not on the unpaid leave is continuing though. But not everyone is doing the entire 3 months.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 04:28
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Not true, some of those people have been contacted.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 06:16
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I stand corrected and that is good news!
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 09:45
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Not really alluding to anything, except that recalling redundant pilots sounds great, depending on the numbers involved. A few months ago there were newspaper stories about how all 777 pilots were back flying, and that was total rubbish. A handful of redundant pilots recalled makes a great pr headline but is of little consequence vs the thousand plus made redundant, hence the question about numbers being recalled.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 12:27
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I've asked once and I'll ask again. Were those on the 777 made redundant or fired? That might answer why they haven't received a phone call.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 13:55
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Handled well ! Donít make me laugh. Emirates handled it way better. The employees know where they stood.

Iíll ask you guys a simple question since you know all about flydubai. Have they or have they not left employees without salary for up to 3 months this year ? Simple ?

Are these people not full time employees? I also know some of the long term leave people can not return as they will be arrested on arrival for all their unpaid bills. This is handling it well? Flydubai is just cheap link to inflate EKs network to places they are unable to land/ fill an aircraft till the 787/350s come.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 17:12
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I cant answer for all since I don’t know everyone’s situation. I however was made redundant and all the others that I do know were made redundant, not fired.

No 777 pilots have been rehired.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 23:19
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We could regard it as being very subjective. A better way of putting it as far as I see it, is trying to differentiate between selective redundancy and random redundancy.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 06:52
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100% agreed!
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 07:14
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FZ does not operate 100+ A380s, does it? People actually using the time off without pay to do something else is great. However the vast majority rely on a steady source of income to pay their bills. Not the best argument. Comparing EK with FZ is like comparing a small Indian takeaway next to a gas station with a Mcdonalds chain. They had to do what they had to and if FZ would have been 5 times bigger with the whole fleet grounded for almost a year I bet they would have done the same.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 07:45
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So we could compare the redundancy policy of EK to the redundancy policy of many of the major long haul carriers around the world. Let’s see how they stack up in that regard shall we ! As your a bigger company you can treat your staff worse can you? That’s a great model to follow.

Trying to make EK sound like pussy cats over their handling of the pandemic and redundancy sounds distinctly troll/pr management to me.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 08:05
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Compare heavily unionized carriers which were all bailed out by their governments to EK? I don't think it will be a fair comparison. A bigger company does not have the privilege to review each individual's circumstances thoroughly, we are all just numbers in the system here. Weren't you asked what was your view on unions during your joining interview? Why didn't you express your concerns back then? We all know what we signed for.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 12:04
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EK was also bailed out by the local government officially in the billions and we are sure more EK = DXB Inc and they are hand in hand.

does anyone know if FZ also got a check?
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Eric Hartman
Compare heavily unionized carriers which were all bailed out by their governments to EK? I don't think it will be a fair comparison.
Sorry, how much money did EK get from the UAE government….DXB inc? Where did I make mention of unions?

Originally Posted by Eric Hartman
A bigger company does not have the privilege to review each individual's circumstances thoroughly, we are all just numbers in the system here
Yet this bigger company had the ability to review each individuals circumstances and make them redundant based on medical records……. You can’t have it both ways Buddy !
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 14:52
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Great post Eric.
Transport jock on all FZ matter is pro company. EK did what they had to do. Flydubai did a half baked job. Yes they let no one go because they want the numbers for a fast recovery. Short haul may recover faster. What other short haul carrier let lots go other than wizz air.. People went home to visit family ? You are joking right, in the middle of a pandemic with borders closed on zero salary ? There are 30+ guys who can not return to the UAE over unpaid debt. My American friend is one,who can not return over a simple unpaid car loan. Try explain to the UAE banks.I am a full time employee but not getting paid this month. Well I’m employed but have not been paid a salary in 12 months. It’s financial limbo. Transport jock is on the flydubai forum talking about recruitment soon and starting cadets courses. Starting new people but unwilling to pay the salaries of the current work force. We can see where this going.
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 09:03
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My thoughts exactly TBL.
He pretends he’s very factual and knowledgeable about all Flydubai matters yet doe not know numbers.
The facts are their are lots of people in flydubai left unpaid for 1/3 of this year. The same cuts applied to FZ as EK in allowances from last year too. Dubai as we all know has no social welfare system. Most ordinary line captains have dipped into their life savings to survive the last 18 months. Honest factual question again transport jock, it’s an easy answer.

transport jock, have Flydubai or have they not left crews with up to 3 months unpaid salary this year ?
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 12:14
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Yes it is seniority based TBL. But everyone on the list has been give RL ( forced leave) so it made no difference. I guess it’s a sign of the current situation. On the other hand no one ever moved to the Middle East to be a potato farmer. To stay there to be given little hand outs to keep them surviving. I’ve heard the expression on here of comparing EK and FZ to apples and oranges. I believe it’s comparing oranges to mandarins.EK got rid of some oranges to keep the rest from going off. FZ decided the box of mandarins looks pretty when it full. But if you look closer they are rotting at the bottom. transport jock knows the ins and outs of working in flydubai . Have all staff taken this financial scarification with the reduction in flying ? Engineering , HR , flight operations etc
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 19:09
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What about the A380 n B777 opportunities opening? They ask for experienced and ''current'' pilots as i see
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 19:40
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And there was me thinking that this thread was about Big Brother on the south side of DXB! FYI @transport jock many of us here at EK have had several months of Unpaid Leave; even with housing and medical benefits (only in UAE btw) it has been difficult. Maybe with the average experience levels being higher on this side of the runway we are more likely to have mortgages, big families, loan etc. I don't have other 'financial issues' at play but several months of UL wasn't the easiest few months of my career!

Whatever... Hoping all at EK and FZ get back to work and making a living! Blue Skies
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Old 25th Sep 2021, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Fired600
Sorry, how much money did EK get from the UAE government….DXB inc?
Google „Reuters Emirates Airlines Bailout“
Sorry I cannot post the link for some reason
main context:
  • Dubai government injected $3.1 bln into Emirates
  • State-owned airline reports loss of $5.5 bln
  • Passenger numbers lowest in 20 years
DUBAI, June 15 (Reuters) - Emirates got an additional $1.1 billion in state support from Dubai after a collapse in long-haul travel due to the coronavirus pandemic triggered the airline's first annual loss in more than three decades.

Governments have pumped billions of dollars into airlines to keep them afloat during the pandemic and state-owned Emirates has now received $3.1 billion in equity injections from Dubai, including $2 billion disclosed last year.“
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