Emirates recalling redundant
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Having to stay with the company 5 years to get company invested savings in the provident fund?
Bidding seniority ?
Ability to get leave?
Ability to choose leave ticket destinations within 3 years?
Ability to get on flights when seats are low, compared to someone who joined last year and wasn’t dumped like old trash?
The injustices and disregard go on……. A total disgrace and totally unnecessary, zero cost items that people who were lucky enough not to be fired would have no objection too.
Bidding seniority ?
Ability to get leave?
Ability to choose leave ticket destinations within 3 years?
Ability to get on flights when seats are low, compared to someone who joined last year and wasn’t dumped like old trash?
The injustices and disregard go on……. A total disgrace and totally unnecessary, zero cost items that people who were lucky enough not to be fired would have no objection too.
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Man, you have so much anger and angst in you. Yes, what happened to you wasn't nice (nor for the 1799 others, who you don't see waxing negatively on here every day) , and you are hurt, but that doesn't change the fact that you are probably not going to be recalled anytime soon, if at all. You really need to cut the ties that bind and move on, rather than spewing vitriol and mis-information on here.
Answers to your points:
The Provident Fund, up to 5 years, you get your portion plus ESOB (which for the first 3 years the ESOB is normally larger than their portion), after 5 years you get your portion plus their portion (or ESOB, whichever higher).
Bidding Seniority, yes the Bidding System is a great system (as evidenced by other carriers) that is hobbled by some pretty unrealistic rules put in by those who do not fly. That it even publishes a roster every month is a surprise.
Leave Bidding is an issue for those with kids, everyone (naturally) wants the peak leave. I don't care where you work, that is not going to happen. They do try to manage it, but it is impossible to get peak leave every year. This isn't all about you.
Annual Leave Destination, I have no idea why this rule is in place, but it is a nice reward after 3 years service to be able to travel in a premium cabin anywhere in the world for free. If you want to go somewhere special before then, there are plenty of rebate tickets available. Most non-flying companies in the expat locations only give tickets (if at all) to your home station.
If you re-join now, you are a new joiner, with a brand new staff number, with all that entails. It is tough, it is sad, but it is what it is.
The company did what it had to do to weather the storm, which it has done. That there is a human cost to the actions is undeniable and lamentable, but things are changing in the world, there are more and more jobs available out there. Even EK could well be recruiting next year when the numbers of retrenched who wish to return dries up. Don't get hung up on getting back into a company where, by your posts, conditions were dreadful. Put this all behind you, spread your wings and head for blue skies.
Good luck.
Answers to your points:
The Provident Fund, up to 5 years, you get your portion plus ESOB (which for the first 3 years the ESOB is normally larger than their portion), after 5 years you get your portion plus their portion (or ESOB, whichever higher).
Bidding Seniority, yes the Bidding System is a great system (as evidenced by other carriers) that is hobbled by some pretty unrealistic rules put in by those who do not fly. That it even publishes a roster every month is a surprise.
Leave Bidding is an issue for those with kids, everyone (naturally) wants the peak leave. I don't care where you work, that is not going to happen. They do try to manage it, but it is impossible to get peak leave every year. This isn't all about you.
Annual Leave Destination, I have no idea why this rule is in place, but it is a nice reward after 3 years service to be able to travel in a premium cabin anywhere in the world for free. If you want to go somewhere special before then, there are plenty of rebate tickets available. Most non-flying companies in the expat locations only give tickets (if at all) to your home station.
If you re-join now, you are a new joiner, with a brand new staff number, with all that entails. It is tough, it is sad, but it is what it is.
The company did what it had to do to weather the storm, which it has done. That there is a human cost to the actions is undeniable and lamentable, but things are changing in the world, there are more and more jobs available out there. Even EK could well be recruiting next year when the numbers of retrenched who wish to return dries up. Don't get hung up on getting back into a company where, by your posts, conditions were dreadful. Put this all behind you, spread your wings and head for blue skies.
Good luck.
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Please show me the vitriol and misinformation I am spewing…..criticism, yes, misinformation, no.
What the company did it did to survive, how it did so was not. What it does now as it recovers is not done to survive, it has opportunities to show what it could be, not to just continue to demonstrate its total disregard to its staff. Believe me, it was me yesterday and it could be you tomorrow.
You seem to have totally missed the point of my post by the answers you gave.
What the company did it did to survive, how it did so was not. What it does now as it recovers is not done to survive, it has opportunities to show what it could be, not to just continue to demonstrate its total disregard to its staff. Believe me, it was me yesterday and it could be you tomorrow.
You seem to have totally missed the point of my post by the answers you gave.
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You are right, I obviously didn't get the point you are trying to make, like you didn't get mine.
Let me re-iterate: You no longer work for EK, there is a better than good chance that you will never work for them again. Pointing out every foible is not going to change the past.
Let it go, and move on with your life. Look forward, that is where you are going.
Let me re-iterate: You no longer work for EK, there is a better than good chance that you will never work for them again. Pointing out every foible is not going to change the past.
Let it go, and move on with your life. Look forward, that is where you are going.
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emirates didn’t just do what it needed to do to survive. It actively targeted its “problem children” without thought of the consequences. It made no effort to save a single job and it did not consider what would happen once things began to return to normal. First level thinking of the highest order.
Fired600 is just reminding everyone of what they will be getting into should they join emirates. It appears that they are already looking to hire new joiners even though they still have 6-800 pilots that they let go last year on their books. A graphic demonstration of their ethics and honesty and morals.
Fired600 is just reminding everyone of what they will be getting into should they join emirates. It appears that they are already looking to hire new joiners even though they still have 6-800 pilots that they let go last year on their books. A graphic demonstration of their ethics and honesty and morals.
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All those let go are external! They can now be selective ! I'm guessing the quoted 600 pilots would take all of 2022 to process and train ,@50/ month . The EK 380 training department Was also thinned out.
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Things said are not in the hope of me gaining employment and being called back. They are said not to ‘change the past’ they are to point out to people thinking of joining exactly what they are getting into and the morals and ethics of the company towards its staff.
Things said are not in the hope of me gaining employment and being called back. They are said not to ‘change the past’ they are to point out to people thinking of joining exactly what they are getting into and the morals and ethics of the company towards its staff.
EK will probably take the opportunity to raise the average standard of pilots it employs. Before COVID there were short and had to cast a pretty wide net to get bums on seats in the flight deck. Replacing people they would rather not have employed, with good quality applicants laid off from major airlines would be very attractive to them.
Stand by for an influx of former CX pilots when external recruitment commences.
Stand by for an influx of former CX pilots when external recruitment commences.
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Replacing your ‘trash’ with another companies……sounds like a plan!
Many if not most thar they got rid of were not bad pilots or troublemakers, they were just unfortunate enough to have had a medical issue at some stage in their employment.
Many if not most thar they got rid of were not bad pilots or troublemakers, they were just unfortunate enough to have had a medical issue at some stage in their employment.
A 40 year old B777 Captain who has been laid off from a major airline because of the pandemic would be quite attractive to EK recruitment. Too old to go home and start in the right seat at the bottom of the seniority list but still has 20 years left until retirement. Preferably with a wife and children so that the golden handcuffs are on tight.
New joiners need to remember that the training department aren't particularly interested in the previous employers SOPs. The phrase "That's not how we did things at Ansett." was being heard all over the world 20 years ago.
New joiners need to remember that the training department aren't particularly interested in the previous employers SOPs. The phrase "That's not how we did things at Ansett." was being heard all over the world 20 years ago.
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And those FOs made redundant having been short before an upgrade don’t get the same credit.
A guy with just min command time on a 320 has better chances for a command than a FO spending years on a 380 in EK before covid - says a lot
A guy with just min command time on a 320 has better chances for a command than a FO spending years on a 380 in EK before covid - says a lot