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Old 20th Aug 2021, 02:46
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Very strong points about EASA and FAA
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 02:56
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Very strong and accurate.

Although EK is a little better and they are trying to make corrections, the pilot shortage post-COVID in the ME will be very impossible to correct due to one main factor...the pilot shortage shortage in ASIA (China mainly) will be the biggest in the world due to market expansion post-COVID but they will immediately try to correct it with insane packages (high), so the goats and the tikamassalas in the ME won't have enough crews to fly their best worldwide airlines
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 03:36
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I'm sure that it's entirely true but if you're going to stay in this industry you'd better grin and bear it because it's only going to get worse. Qatar is not even the worst employer, in fact I would imagine that there are tens of thousands of Qatar wannabees, especially in current circumstances.
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 03:52
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I hope that you're right but I think that you're probably dreaming.

I had your point of view a year ago but circumstances in many Airlines are very different now. A lot of major European Airlines including BA, Aer Lingus, Easyjet etc etc are carrying terrific amounts of debt now. Recovery to their pre-pandemic size is unlikely. Add to that other bankrupt UK Airlines have left a plentiful supply of Pilots. Where will they go? well not into Europe, so most likely into the Middle East as it recovers.

Another point is that Middle Eastern countries are training large numbers of their own Pilots, even now, during the pandemic. Saudia even have 30 female Pilots under training (so rumour has it).

Is it likely that Emirates will be operating to Pre-pandemic levels in the near future?

China has a plentiful supply of it's own Pilots these days.

Malaysian Pilots are 2 a penny, I'm certain that there are more unemployed Malaysian Pilots than employed.
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 10:06
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And yet Qatar are somehow awarded the position of ďsecond safest airline in the worldĒ. Defies belief.
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Old 20th Aug 2021, 14:42
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Lost goat has put things in all the correctness. No exaggeration.
​​​​​​Unfortunately the employees and more specifically the pilots are dealing here with one of the most unethical employers. If the rules don't favour them they change it. Simple.

In my opinion, one should only think to come in qr if he/she is unable to get a flying job (however, this is exactly the kind of preys they look for). Else, do a favour to yourself and your family. DO NOT COME...
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 07:38
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Spot on unfortunately. People who never worked there would believe it's exaggerated but it's not. Nothing is false in the post and some stuff is even worse. For some however the experience can be different as not everyone lives in for example company accommodation (That said all accommodations in Doha are poor quality, those in the Pearl often noisy and include mold) but better options exist. Many pilots have left the airline in the last year without having a new job. How bad can your pilot job be that you resign without job during the biggest aviation crisis! The job applications in Qr should come with a health warning considering some have lost their medical license and unfortunately a few who passed away/commited suicide. Then again everyone who dies, dies of "natural causes" similary to the guys that fell from a construction in the pearl recently (You ain't gonna read that in the news...). Anyone is a slave with golden cuffs in the middle east unless you are local you'll be treated as such. Want to speak up? Maybe Google once about a Kenyan security guard who tried?
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 09:38
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A great read and further confirmation of why Qatar have been on my "Do Not Fly" list for so long.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 10:01
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I saw , when i was there , asking to a senior 777 TRE with more then ten years in the company , during an instructors classroom , what was his idea regarding Pilot Aptitude Test that was just introduced in the company , he politely reply that was a great tool for ab- initio pilots , but with very experienced crew with many flying hours was not so necessary as better way to assess them is simulator .
The following day he was on a one way flight to his country.
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Old 21st Aug 2021, 11:40
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What an efficient kicking-out process to be able to that in one day.
What about the first office visit?
*on LOG*
What about the report you have to submit?
What about the second office visit?
What about having to close your bank accounts, credit cards, USA visa, countless trips to all the spread out QR buildings to hand in all your crap?
Etc...

I call , can't be done in a day. Tooooo much efficient for Qatar Airways gaptan.

That said, not at all surprised he got kicked out, because this crappy management doesn't like anyone who speaks up or gives his/her opinion. Typical Middle East mentality I suppose.

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Old 28th Aug 2021, 06:00
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Crisp!....but Not allowed Captain!😂
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 06:02
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Believe me when it hits you personally you will not find it humorous at all....it is like a looped nightmare.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 06:09
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Ohhhh they care ...you bet they really do care...one thing they are really afraid of is bad reputation, it spoils the 5 stars joke...no 5 star? No targets...no targets? The 4 indians don't get their annual bonus....
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 06:15
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Silver68...it is all crisp true.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 11:27
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Sorry, you lost me buddy.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 12:36
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Just a highlight about the fear culture in QR. A CSD just reported his whole crew because they dared to go out for dinner during a layover.

I hope that QR will cease to exist sooner or later.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 15:06
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You would have to wonder how sad your life must be to take the time out to report fellow work colleagues for leaving a hotel for a meal and a few drinks downroute, like what's the point, and why Qatar would even follow up on such a daft report is also quite worrying
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 17:06
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Self preservation.

The CSD would probably have been fired for not reporting said crew if word had got back to management of the whole event. Don't worry, workers are dispensable. People are queuing out the door, down the block and around the corner to have the privilege of living in Qatar.

Or so they want to believe...
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 21:06
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Somebody didnít perform their due diligence before signing on the dotted line. Itís always better to be an educated consumer.
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Old 3rd Sep 2021, 11:04
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Thanks for taking the time to write such extensive and detailed explanation.

Most, if not all, of the points mentioned are exactly a copy-paste of what a buddy of mine (787), told me last week on one lf his layovers (jail time in hotel), here in Europe.
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