Qatari Incident
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Qatari Incident
"A Qatari A320 Airbus had to abort departure from Abu Dhabi International Airport yesterday after the cockpit received a warning that a cargo door was not closed properly.
Sources confirmed that the aircraft returned to stand in AUH and the problem was investigated for several hours. Aircraft remained on ground and subsequent flights to Doha were cancelled. The airline flew in a replacement crew from Doha to ferry the aircraft back, since the original crews were now out of hours."
Sources confirmed that the aircraft returned to stand in AUH and the problem was investigated for several hours. Aircraft remained on ground and subsequent flights to Doha were cancelled. The airline flew in a replacement crew from Doha to ferry the aircraft back, since the original crews were now out of hours."
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Jennie,
What’s your point? You appear to be doing a lot of QR bashing, why?
Who cares that the aircraft aborted takeoff due to a warning message, what would you have expected them to do? You have to remember that aircraft are mechanical and they DO BREAK DOWN.
Mutt.
What’s your point? You appear to be doing a lot of QR bashing, why?
Who cares that the aircraft aborted takeoff due to a warning message, what would you have expected them to do? You have to remember that aircraft are mechanical and they DO BREAK DOWN.
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A little harsh mutt. As a "one-off" probably a non-event, but added together over a period of time, a pattern may emerge. We shall see!
Try and tell the relatives of those who were on DC-10 (TC-JAV) -3/3/74, that a cargo door problem is of minor importance. That incident showed that these problems may be due to a number of causes including poor design, bad maintenance or human error.
It's good to see any news from the UAE, knowing their usual reticence to publish details of such things!
Try and tell the relatives of those who were on DC-10 (TC-JAV) -3/3/74, that a cargo door problem is of minor importance. That incident showed that these problems may be due to a number of causes including poor design, bad maintenance or human error.
It's good to see any news from the UAE, knowing their usual reticence to publish details of such things!
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Mutt,
Your comments are totally ridiculous. Jennie was just reporting an incident which may be of interest to participants of this forum.
She was not QR bashing. How the hell did you manage to interpret her comments as critical of Qatar Airways.
Please may I suggest that certain individuals here are just too f****ng eager to stamp on the keyboard as soon as they read a post from various members, whether or not the comments are controversial, silly or, in this case, a statement of facts.
Jennie - please keep the posts coming. This is why the forum is here.
Mutt - crawl back into your kennel and re-charge the brain cells before posting next time.
Regarding the incident and the original thread -------
I have heard some conflicting reports. Some concur with Jennie's comments. Others suggest that the aircraft was only taxiing out for take off and so there was no "aborted" take off as such.
Another report suggests that the aircraft was actually airborne and returned to AUH.
All in all, probably a fairly common incident and no danger to anyone. However, Newswatcher's comments should not be totally ignored.
Your comments are totally ridiculous. Jennie was just reporting an incident which may be of interest to participants of this forum.
She was not QR bashing. How the hell did you manage to interpret her comments as critical of Qatar Airways.
Please may I suggest that certain individuals here are just too f****ng eager to stamp on the keyboard as soon as they read a post from various members, whether or not the comments are controversial, silly or, in this case, a statement of facts.
Jennie - please keep the posts coming. This is why the forum is here.
Mutt - crawl back into your kennel and re-charge the brain cells before posting next time.
Regarding the incident and the original thread -------
I have heard some conflicting reports. Some concur with Jennie's comments. Others suggest that the aircraft was only taxiing out for take off and so there was no "aborted" take off as such.
Another report suggests that the aircraft was actually airborne and returned to AUH.
All in all, probably a fairly common incident and no danger to anyone. However, Newswatcher's comments should not be totally ignored.
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WOOO, Hold back the camel!!
Why are Mutts comments totally rediculous?
Look at JB's previous threads, looks like QR bashing to me!
You dont need to be a rocket scientist!
How can JB report such a incident without the real facts?
If you are going to make statements and use the word "incident" then get your facts straight.
Why are Mutts comments totally rediculous?
Look at JB's previous threads, looks like QR bashing to me!
You dont need to be a rocket scientist!
How can JB report such a incident without the real facts?
If you are going to make statements and use the word "incident" then get your facts straight.
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Mutt,
Sorry mate. Just wanted to apologise for my earlier comments above. I was a bit over the top. It was a spur of the moment reaction, which I am sure yours was too in response to Jennie.
Now, before 4-holer comes in and tells us all to grow up and stop wasting time, does anyone have any conclusive news to report on the incident (careful choice of word) that occurred.
Surprisingly, even my contacts at QR are baffled by this one, which suggests that the whole thing was a bit of a non event.
However, it would also be incorrect of me to cast apsersions on Jennie's thread. Clearly she though it merited mentioning as a point of interest.
Anyone have anything to add. Thanks for calming it down guys, you bring tears to my eyes.
4HP
Sorry mate. Just wanted to apologise for my earlier comments above. I was a bit over the top. It was a spur of the moment reaction, which I am sure yours was too in response to Jennie.
Now, before 4-holer comes in and tells us all to grow up and stop wasting time, does anyone have any conclusive news to report on the incident (careful choice of word) that occurred.
Surprisingly, even my contacts at QR are baffled by this one, which suggests that the whole thing was a bit of a non event.
However, it would also be incorrect of me to cast apsersions on Jennie's thread. Clearly she though it merited mentioning as a point of interest.
Anyone have anything to add. Thanks for calming it down guys, you bring tears to my eyes.
4HP
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I was on A7-ADB a couple of weeks ago but not A7-ABU for 1 1/2 years. Anyway did the aircraft actually take off or was it on the taxiway and then return, and also was there really a problem with the cargo door or is it just a malfunctioning warning light.
Wow QR must be really unsafe
, pilots miscalculating fuel loads, F/A's not trained on the aircraft and now malfunctioning cargo doors 
Wow QR must be really unsafe
, pilots miscalculating fuel loads, F/A's not trained on the aircraft and now malfunctioning cargo doors
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With respect to 4HP ( Way to go bro! 
) I’m not going to say anything more about JB, you can draw your own conclusions from her previous posts.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=62878
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=63719
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=62670
Newswatcher, your comparison with the DC10 is quite interesting, however it’s my understanding that with the 10, the aft cargo doors actually indicated that they were closed. That accident thought aircraft designers learned a valuable but costly lesson on floor design and the installation of flight control/hydraulic systems.
However that it quite different from a case where a crew get a warning light and return to the gate! I really can’t see how you can blame the airline or the crew for taking such an action? If anything, such an action proves that it is a conscientious airline.
Mutt.
) I’m not going to say anything more about JB, you can draw your own conclusions from her previous posts.http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=62878
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=63719
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=62670
Newswatcher, your comparison with the DC10 is quite interesting, however it’s my understanding that with the 10, the aft cargo doors actually indicated that they were closed. That accident thought aircraft designers learned a valuable but costly lesson on floor design and the installation of flight control/hydraulic systems.
However that it quite different from a case where a crew get a warning light and return to the gate! I really can’t see how you can blame the airline or the crew for taking such an action? If anything, such an action proves that it is a conscientious airline.
Mutt.
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FYI the following is briefly, what happened.
The aircraft was A7-ADC Sector AUH - DOH 21/08/2002
On start up an ECAM message showing the FWD Cargo door to be open was activated.
Ground staff reset(?) the door and the warning cleared. Aircraft departed.
Passing 1000' the ECAM message re-appeared.
Commander elected to return to AUH for safety reasons and maintenance action.
Problem was found to be an out of tolerance door warning system device which can be damaged during baggage loading operations.
FYI the following is briefly, what happened.
The aircraft was A7-ADC Sector AUH - DOH 21/08/2002
On start up an ECAM message showing the FWD Cargo door to be open was activated.
Ground staff reset(?) the door and the warning cleared. Aircraft departed.
Passing 1000' the ECAM message re-appeared.
Commander elected to return to AUH for safety reasons and maintenance action.
Problem was found to be an out of tolerance door warning system device which can be damaged during baggage loading operations.
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Thank you Mafibacon. Very eloquently and briefly put without the usual hysteria which certain members (myself included) tend to adopt.
Regarding the commanders decision in this instance, I agree entirely with his actions. It would have been silly to continue with the flight, albeit a short sector.
Mutt - I take your point. No questions should be asked when a Captain elects to take action for safety reasons. We could debate the correctness of the issue from here to eternity. However, the Captain is the one who is in the hotseat at the time and has to make her / his decision.
Pity - ADC is the newest and shiniest aeroplane in the A320 fleet - and some baggage handler has taken a mallet to the doors???? Haha.
MT,
I have been on the entire A320 fleet in the last four weeks. The new machines are looking well - obviously - but as noted previously, some of the others (particularly Romeo and Uniform) are a bitt shabby looking at the back (seat coverings I mean).
Otherwise, the interiors are spotless and so they should be with such a large army of cleaners.
I have clocked up the most hours and number of flights on Tango, November and Alpha respectively from the 3 fleets.
When is Oscar coming back on line? Hope they fix all the little nuances that he has......such as perpetual faulty warning lights.
Regarding the commanders decision in this instance, I agree entirely with his actions. It would have been silly to continue with the flight, albeit a short sector.
Mutt - I take your point. No questions should be asked when a Captain elects to take action for safety reasons. We could debate the correctness of the issue from here to eternity. However, the Captain is the one who is in the hotseat at the time and has to make her / his decision.
Pity - ADC is the newest and shiniest aeroplane in the A320 fleet - and some baggage handler has taken a mallet to the doors???? Haha.
MT,
I have been on the entire A320 fleet in the last four weeks. The new machines are looking well - obviously - but as noted previously, some of the others (particularly Romeo and Uniform) are a bitt shabby looking at the back (seat coverings I mean).
Otherwise, the interiors are spotless and so they should be with such a large army of cleaners.
I have clocked up the most hours and number of flights on Tango, November and Alpha respectively from the 3 fleets.
When is Oscar coming back on line? Hope they fix all the little nuances that he has......such as perpetual faulty warning lights.
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Thanks mafibacon for the explanation.
If repairs were taken on the aircraft has there been any flight delays and cancellations besides the AUH flight. QR have high utilisation rates on the aircraft and so the aircraft have a tight schedule. If something wrong happens it could wreck havoc on the schedules.
WRT the hysteria, I can imagine that tonight's new thread will be something along the lines of "2 No Shows on todays QR003 to MUC: QR turning away passengers" or "QR028 to FRA experiences turbulence: QR not safe".
A300Man,
I have always found QR's fleet very clean and in good condition especially when compared to GF's A320 and B767. But I noticed the A7-ABV has and overhead panel in F that keeps popping out, exposing the wires.
I honestly don't have a clue, I don't even know where the heavy checks were done.
If repairs were taken on the aircraft has there been any flight delays and cancellations besides the AUH flight. QR have high utilisation rates on the aircraft and so the aircraft have a tight schedule. If something wrong happens it could wreck havoc on the schedules.
WRT the hysteria, I can imagine that tonight's new thread will be something along the lines of "2 No Shows on todays QR003 to MUC: QR turning away passengers" or "QR028 to FRA experiences turbulence: QR not safe".
A300Man,
I have always found QR's fleet very clean and in good condition especially when compared to GF's A320 and B767. But I noticed the A7-ABV has and overhead panel in F that keeps popping out, exposing the wires.
When is Oscar coming back on line? Hope they fix all the little nuances that he has......such as perpetual faulty warning lights.
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Don't know MT. Used to be GAMCO for certain things and even Ansett Leasing for others.
I believe that nowadays most of the work on the newer aeroplanes is carried out by LT or SALE, depending on the aircraft.
But really do not have a clue where Oscar is at present.......Mafibacon might be able to shed some light on the subject.
I believe that nowadays most of the work on the newer aeroplanes is carried out by LT or SALE, depending on the aircraft.
But really do not have a clue where Oscar is at present.......Mafibacon might be able to shed some light on the subject.
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Hi Mutt, not sure if your question was directed at me, but it was certainly not my intention to blame the QR crew. Good work!
On the Paris incident, there were a number of contributory factors:
- the loader did not engage the latch properly, but thought he had, although he did not use the view port to check that the pins were in place
- incorrect maintenance had previously been done(Service Bulletin 52-37)
- the cockpit warning light went out well before the pins were in place
- due to poor design, critical controls were destroyed by floor collapse
- due to poor design the pressure vents between the passenger cabin and the cargo compartment were totally inadequate.
On the Paris incident, there were a number of contributory factors:
- the loader did not engage the latch properly, but thought he had, although he did not use the view port to check that the pins were in place
- incorrect maintenance had previously been done(Service Bulletin 52-37)
- the cockpit warning light went out well before the pins were in place
- due to poor design, critical controls were destroyed by floor collapse
- due to poor design the pressure vents between the passenger cabin and the cargo compartment were totally inadequate.
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I hope this will help with your queries.
Whenever a lengthly delay occurs there will always be a knock on delay effect. These will be reduced as much as possible by switching aircraft. As a general observation, because QTR aircraft are so heavly utilised, there are bound to be additional delays or even cancellations when turn back incidents occur. Every responsible airline will strive to minimise this type of delay.
If an overhead bin falls down during flight, it should be reported to the FA. If you can see wiring, then the protection has probably been knocked out of place by an excessively large piece of hand baggage having being put in the bin. Once again this should be reported to the FA so the maintenance staff can rectify the problem.
FYI - A7-ABO has been "back on line" after major maintenance since May. It underwent a "C" check in GAMCO - AUH.
A300 Man
Ansett do not do any maintenance themselves. They are a Leasing Management company. If one of their aircraft requires a maintenance check either before or after a lease, then the normal process is that they would farm the check out to a suitably qualified maintenance provider/agency. SALE are the same. However both companies employ maintenance staff to oversee the check being carried out. Whilst an aircraft is on lease, then the lesee is responsible for ensuring that the scheduled maintenance is carried out at the prescribed periods. The lessors will examine the records of their aircraft to ensure that that the correct maintenance is carried out .
By LT I assume you are referring to Lufthansa Technik. They have been looking after the A340 since it came on line back in 1992(?).
Hope this answers your queries. If you need further info please send me a private E-mail
I hope this will help with your queries.
Whenever a lengthly delay occurs there will always be a knock on delay effect. These will be reduced as much as possible by switching aircraft. As a general observation, because QTR aircraft are so heavly utilised, there are bound to be additional delays or even cancellations when turn back incidents occur. Every responsible airline will strive to minimise this type of delay.
If an overhead bin falls down during flight, it should be reported to the FA. If you can see wiring, then the protection has probably been knocked out of place by an excessively large piece of hand baggage having being put in the bin. Once again this should be reported to the FA so the maintenance staff can rectify the problem.
FYI - A7-ABO has been "back on line" after major maintenance since May. It underwent a "C" check in GAMCO - AUH.
A300 Man
Ansett do not do any maintenance themselves. They are a Leasing Management company. If one of their aircraft requires a maintenance check either before or after a lease, then the normal process is that they would farm the check out to a suitably qualified maintenance provider/agency. SALE are the same. However both companies employ maintenance staff to oversee the check being carried out. Whilst an aircraft is on lease, then the lesee is responsible for ensuring that the scheduled maintenance is carried out at the prescribed periods. The lessors will examine the records of their aircraft to ensure that that the correct maintenance is carried out .
By LT I assume you are referring to Lufthansa Technik. They have been looking after the A340 since it came on line back in 1992(?).
Hope this answers your queries. If you need further info please send me a private E-mail
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Mafibacon,
Thank you for your posts they sure do explain a lot. ABV only had the ceiling and not the actual over-head bins and it only came of a little bit, about 15 cms. I talked to the F/A who said she would report it to maintanence.
BTW do u work for QR?
Thank you for your posts they sure do explain a lot. ABV only had the ceiling and not the actual over-head bins and it only came of a little bit, about 15 cms. I talked to the F/A who said she would report it to maintanence.
BTW do u work for QR?
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A7-ABN has a similar phenomenon above the R3 emergency door in the Y section of the aircraft, where the A/C slatted panel continually falls out of place.
And this aircraft also has a lose latch on the basinette table near seat 1D/G. Several times I have spilt my G&T when it pops out of position.
Another query that someone may be able to answer - A7-ABW aircraft....the L3 emergency door squeals and hisses from the minute the aircraft leaves the ground until it level off at FL.
This sounds like a faulty seal and its never heard on other aircraft. Could this be a dangerous thing that needs looking at?
I had no idea that ABO was back on line. Like you MTQ, I haven't seen it around for ages.
Live and learn
And this aircraft also has a lose latch on the basinette table near seat 1D/G. Several times I have spilt my G&T when it pops out of position.
Another query that someone may be able to answer - A7-ABW aircraft....the L3 emergency door squeals and hisses from the minute the aircraft leaves the ground until it level off at FL.
This sounds like a faulty seal and its never heard on other aircraft. Could this be a dangerous thing that needs looking at?
I had no idea that ABO was back on line. Like you MTQ, I haven't seen it around for ages.
Live and learn
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