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EK orders A330neo and A350-900s

Old 14th Feb 2019, 06:44
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EK orders A330neo and A350-900s

It's official, A380 orders reduced to 14. Production and deliveries for A380 end in 2021.

40 A330-900 neos, and 30 A350-900s will be delivered starting in 2021 and 2024 respectively.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...dy-orders.html

https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...s-30-a350-900s
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:02
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Finally some common sense! I guess the sacking of CM a few days ahead of that decision is to have AAR lose only half of his face ("in the future we will need the bigger 380, because we open the doors and the passengers flock in ....), but the verdict has CM's handwriting all over the texts. He saw the white elephant in EK's room from day one. But sure enough the local talent could not have this admission of a wrong fleet choice traced back to CM's advice.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:03
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The writing was on the wall for the 380.

Is there really a point in mixing 330 neo / 350 in a fleet ?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:16
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So any profit share this year?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:31
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It's the same typerating.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 07:42
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I just wonder about the 787 orders...Will they keep them?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by bumpy737 View Post
I just wonder about the 787 orders...Will they keep them?
Runour has it they're trying to wiggle out of that deal, or convert the orders to more 777X.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 08:59
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330 NEO, 350, 380, 787, 777 (various types)... good fleet standardisation.

I still see a lot of overlap between the 330 and the 350 - are those sufficiently different to warrant having both (even if they have the same type rating) ?
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:14
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I still see a lot of overlap between the 330 and the 350 - are those sufficiently different to warrant having both (even if they have the same type rating) ?
I guess the somewhat antiquated NEOs are simply available earlier than the modern and more desired 350ies. And EK desperately needs smaller equipment but came too late on to the order sheet for either 787 or 350.
To keep both on the order list, with an eventual withdrawal looming, might put pressure on both manufacturers.
A common (but lame) ruse by airlines
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 10:53
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The 787 "Order" is only an MOU, easy to cancel..
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 11:55
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looks like the unmentionables down the street got some relief from their 350 orders they were trying to "re-home"
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 12:00
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
The writing was on the wall for the 380.

Is there really a point in mixing 330 neo / 350 in a fleet ?
Did you read the link? Posted for you so all you have to do is click on it.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 23:18
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Originally Posted by glofish View Post
I guess the somewhat antiquated NEOs are simply available earlier than the modern and more desired 350ies. And EK desperately needs smaller equipment but came too late on to the order sheet for either 787 or 350.
To keep both on the order list, with an eventual withdrawal looming, might put pressure on both manufacturers.
A common (but lame) ruse by airlines
I suspect you're correct about being able to pick up the A330 NEOs much sooner - the 787, 777X, and A350 order books are pretty much full for the next five years. The A330 is really the only widebody out there that has significant open delivery spots near term.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 03:39
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Etihad is about to cancel thier A359 order thus opening thier slots imediately as they are due for delivery end of 2019. A380 to A359 course only takes a few days. Also we can buy thier A359 sim thats about ready for delivery as well!
So A359 order seems a good choice. Expect these in our fleet by early 2020.

ref to the A330 NEO, we need 280pax aircraft to operate on lower dencity routes as the loss we currently make on 777ER sectors is not good. Althou no idea when well get A330 NEO slots.

And finaly the 787 order. These will be concerted to 77Xs.

Our A380/777ER fleet numbers will reduce significanly as over next few years they being returned to lossors. Hence we need the A359 to cover this shortfall. Only about 50 A380 will be kept at the end and lease extended till the end of the airframe cycles.

I personaly think its a very wise choise what they doing with this new fleet arangement. Might not make sence to a few to have again 4 fleet types but in the long run it will be better.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 04:28
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So A359 order seems a good choice. Expect these in our fleet by early 2020.
Where are you getting that information from? Deliveries for the A359 are scheduled to start in 2024.

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Old 15th Feb 2019, 12:26
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Shangaan. You use a lot of "we" in your post.

I'm not sure if you work for EK, but most of the pilot fraternity don't use the term "we". AAR has made sure there is no we in us.

Also words like imediatly, dencity, althou, finaly, signiificanly, lossors, choise, arangment don't exist.

As for the fleet update, best news ever.

Deliveries. The sooner the better for tractor drivers. Nothing like sharing the car again with a 330 driver complaining about their third KBL for the week. Or the relentless India night turns. Do you know how many days off l get? Minimum!

A380 was destined for demise for the last seven years with orders drying up tighter than a Nuns nasty.

The fact that EK went for the RR engines on the A380 knowing they were shit beggars belief.
What were they expecting with fuel burn numbers?

If STC hasn't got a waterfront villa on the Cote d'zur, or two courtesy of RR and/or AB, then he is not looking after #1.

The 787 is dead. Yay.

Very happy John Deer operator.

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Old 15th Feb 2019, 21:04
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To my knowledge the A359 is bigger than the A339 Neo. According to Airbus.com it's 325 to 287 Passengers. So it makes sense to buy both
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 07:57
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The fact that EK went for the RR engines on the A380 knowing they were shit beggars belief.
What were they expecting with fuel burn numbers?

If STC hasn't got a waterfront villa on the Cote d'zur, or two courtesy of RR and/or AB, then he is not looking after #1.
I personally think it's highly likely that RR nominated TC for his knighthood.

Should it be true, then I personally find it comical how the self centred interests of one of the biggest bastions of the A380, only accelerated the eventual demise of its production. Maybe there would be more life left in the old girl if the GP7000 remained the powerplant of choice?


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Old 16th Feb 2019, 16:19
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Looking at the numbers. There aren't many neos on order. So likely that EK got some good delivery slots and the A/C will be available earlier
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 19:57
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Originally Posted by halas View Post
Shangaan. You use a lot of "we" in your post.

I'm not sure if you work for EK, but most of the pilot fraternity don't use the term "we". AAR has made sure there is no we in us.

Also words like imediatly, dencity, althou, finaly, signiificanly, lossors, choise, arangment don't exist.

As for the fleet update, best news ever.

Deliveries. The sooner the better for tractor drivers. Nothing like sharing the car again with a 330 driver complaining about their third KBL for the week. Or the relentless India night turns. Do you know how many days off l get? Minimum!

A380 was destined for demise for the last seven years with orders drying up tighter than a Nuns nasty.

The fact that EK went for the RR engines on the A380 knowing they were shit beggars belief.
What were they expecting with fuel burn numbers?

If STC hasn't got a waterfront villa on the Cote d'zur, or two courtesy of RR and/or AB, then he is not looking after #1.

The 787 is dead. Yay.

Very happy John Deer operator.

halas
Iím sure he meant converted, not concerted?
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